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What are we really doing Afghanistan?


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#1    Nefer-Ankhe

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:24 AM

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Civilian Casualties:

2001-2003.

Between 3,100 and 3,600 civilians were directly killed by the U.S Operation Enduring Freedom bombing and Special Forces attacks between Oct. 7 2001 and Jun. 3 2003. This however only accounts for the "impact deaths"- deaths in the immediate aftermath of an explosion or shooting- and does not count deaths that occurred later as a result of injuries sustained, or deaths that occurred as an indirect consequence of the U.S. airstrikes and invasion.

2005.

An estimated 1,700 people were killed, including civilians, insurgents and security forces members.

2006.

4,400 Afghans had been killed in 2006, more than 1,000 of them were civilians.

2007.

More than 7,700 people were killed in 2007, including: 1,019 Afghan policemen; 4,478 militants; 1,980 civilians and 232 foreign soldiers.

By this stage it is conclusive that between 5,700 and 6,500 Afghan civilians had been killed so far in war by American and NATO military forces.

2008

reported that 2,118 civilians were killed as a result of armed conflict in Afghanistan in 2008, the highest civilian death toll since the end of the initial 2001 invasion. This represents an increase of about 40 percent over UNAMA's figure of 1,523 civilians killed in 2007.

For more information on civilian casualties in 2008 alone ---> http://en.wikipedia....ghanistan_(2008)

2009

2009 was again the most lethal year for Afghan civilians in the American-led war since the fall of the Taliban government in late 2001. , 2,412 civilians were killed by the war in 2009, a jump of 14% over the number that lost their lives in 2008. An additional 3,566 Afghan civilians were wounded as a result of the war in 2009.

For more information on civilian casualties in 2009 alone ---> http://en.wikipedia....ghanistan_(2009)

2010

2,777 Afghan civilians were killed in the war in 2010, a jump of 15% over the civilian toll in 2009. Of these, UNAMA/AIHRC attributed 2,080 civilian deaths.

For more information on civilian casualties in 2009 alone ---> http://en.wikipedia....ghanistan_(2010)

2011

1,462 Afghan civilians were killed in the first six months of 2011, another 15% jump over the same period in 2010. UNAMA/AIHRC attributed 1,167 (79.8%) of those deaths. For the whole year of 2011, the United Nations reported that the civilian death toll numbered 3,021, a record high. In addition, 4,507 Afghans were wounded.

For more information on civilian casualties in 2010 alone ----> http://en.wikipedia....ghanistan_(2011)

2012
---> List of civilian casualties in the War in Afghanistan (2012)

2013
---> List of civilian casualties in the War in Afghanistan (2013)


Now all this leaves me to ask, what are we really doing in Afghanistan?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:29 AM

Another one.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:09 AM

Another what?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:17 AM

Those generals know much more than any of us.

Besigment

It's a old tactic, check it out...even if they loose this war as such by holding on long enough the landscape around is changed.

There going to find it very difficult to operate as they were before..a whole generation has been born without the Taliban remember..

Have some faith sister!

Edited by Irrelevant, 26 April 2013 - 06:19 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:22 AM

ohh... another one of those people questioning the real attentions of the war?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:59 AM

War is not fought in a day, battles can be.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:02 AM

I don't see how that is relevant... Irrelevant.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:11 AM

those heroin poppies dont grow themselves! plus the taliban forbid it, so it wasnt established before america arrived.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:13 AM

You ask:

why there there

I've told you, besiegement


Do you think the military is a flower power movement that's going to walk in there and start giving to the Taliban carnation gift baskets?

This is a generational shift, the landscape and world has changed in this last 10 or so years..the instigators of this war proposed this at the beginning if you remember..




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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:13 AM

I am just simply looking at this war from a different POV, and if these statistics above ^ are accurate, then why are there not more people questioning the true attentions of this war or as you prefer "continuous battles"?

Edited by Nefer-Ankhe, 26 April 2013 - 07:17 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:15 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 26 April 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

those heroin poppies dont grow themselves! plus the taliban forbid it, so it wasnt established before america arrived.


Please, the Taliban have scruples!

Russians were there too.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:21 AM

Yea I really wonder what will happen after the West leaves Afghanistan.  The first question is whether or not whatever administration it leaves behind will be able to survive.  To do that it will have to swing strongly Islamist and issue a lot of anti-American rhetoric, but all that won't matter much.  The reality will be more moderate but also probably a lot more corrupt.

With a more Taliban like takeover, even if Taliban is not what they call themselves, I think a lesson will have been learned -- engage in state terrorism, but do it in unspectacular ways so the West doesn't have an excuse to go back in.  In the meantime I pity the population at large and especially women.

Of course the drug business will prosper; they see it as Western rot that they can encourage, and their view here is accurate.  The West's approach to drugs needs to imitate the Portuguese model and halt the puritanical punitive attitudes that motivate it today.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:26 AM

View PostNefer-Ankhe, on 26 April 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

I am just simply looking at this war from a different POV, and if these statistics above ^ are accurate, then why are there not more people questioning the true attentions of this war or as you prefer "continuous battles".

It's sad, I can't really be a apologist for them,  I'm p***ed at the USA Army for what they did at Babylon!

However, I can see what there hoping to achieve in Afghanistan. Social Change.


Sometimes the victory in a loss  is simply inspiring others who come latter so they get the victory. This is fighting,even if you loose others step up witnessing your suffering or bravery. has the USA inspired the afghan people enough is a big question. Have they made mistakes? Of course .




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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:29 AM

With the "west" in Afghanistan, is it making the overall situation in Afghanistan better or worst?

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:48 AM

View PostNefer-Ankhe, on 26 April 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

With the "west" in Afghanistan, is it making the overall situation in Afghanistan better or worst?

Frankly speaking, does that even need a 'debate' ?

The only reason these 'wars' are being fought is because people sitting in their 'freedom space' within four walls they call a home is worrisome that everything they call 'a way of life' would disappear if nobody was dying 'over there' to protect 'it '

Do they care about the 'people' of Afghanistan ?
The Nation of Afghanistan ?
The 'future' of Afghanistan ?

Afghanistan is just suffering from the nasty inconvenience of being at the 'cross roads' of civilization and has been suffering for ages.

http://en.wikipedia...._in_Afghanistan

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