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#1    Spiral staircase

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:34 AM

Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:42 AM

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Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?




But how many of these attacks, was there time for help to have arrived...and yet was withheld? I wonder this...


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:53 AM

Depends where you get your news, I guess. I heard a Middle East expert on  Bill Maher say differently, no deaths under Bush (W) but thousands under the Clinton Administration.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:08 AM

Rachel Maddow revealed how Republican legislators, who are supposed to be mainstream, are actually basing their actions on Alex Jones and Glenn Beck conspiracy theories.

At the 12:55 mark of this video, Maddow begins to explain how they are not looking at the Benghazi attack as an attack on our nation but instead are seeing it as a conspiracy theory and scandal.

(Must watch the whole video to get the full argument including the Saudi that was supposedly involved in the Boston bombing, another CT, was let go.)

She then goes on to comment that they have been so unorganized when it comes to everything else that is important to us but have come together for this: conspiracy theory.

So "how many of these attacks, was there time for help to have arrived?" Not sure but this attack is not one of those. That is a conspiracy theory repeated on extremist right-wing media, no mater which disgruntled "whistleblower" they bring out, some are allowing them to cause others to lose their focus.

This is their focus.

At the 14 minute mark of that video Huckabee reveals the real reason for this braying over Benghazi, not to tighten up security measures to minimize our risk from these embassy attacks from happening again, not to minimize the loss of future lives, no, it is all a concerted effort to try and impeach our president, because they just don't like him.

Instead of focusing on real world issues they are off into CT land, again. Not everyone will join them, care to come back to reality?

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 10 May 2013 - 04:12 AM.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:32 AM

Here is a list of 13 embassies, so is it 13 or 14? Did they miss one?

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So I thought I’d revisit some territory I covered back in October as a bit of a refresher — especially since it appears as if no one, including and especially the traditional press, intends to ask any of these obnoxious, opportunistic liars about why they’re so obsessed by this one attack yet they entirely ignored the dozen-plus consulate/embassy attacks that occurred when George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were allegedly “keeping us safe.”

The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they’re being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush’s Watch Without a Peep from Fox News

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 10 May 2013 - 11:33 AM.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:47 AM

The silence is getting a little deafening, hmm.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 10 May 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

Come on Brit, you're smarter than this.

Benghazi, Lewinsky, Iran Contra, Watergate - it's never about the actual event, it's about the cover up.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

Cover ups = conspiracy theory.

That is a different forum.

This is about the hypocritical crowing from the Republicans.

They just make themselves too obvious, their goals are implicit whenever they speak about Benghazi, their main focus is clearly in the language they use, always about defaming or wanting to see someone they do not like lose their job.

They spend all their energy on who did wrong, specific persons, but none on wanting to actually learn better strategy, fix the errors, and be better prepared next time which is policy- and not people-focused.

The cover up being discussed points to that, you said it as well, it is about the cover up, and that implies somoene is doing the cover up, someone here is doing wrong, someone, someone, that is their main focus.

They make it so obvious, people are not foolish, except those who are going along with that party line.

The rest of the media and the country is like meh.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 10 May 2013 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 10 May 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

This is not about attacking Bush, of course not, this is about  protecting the Savior or whatever the hollywood elite call him this week.

We all know that President and his cronies wouldn't politicize any tragedies that have occurred... Like say, Newtown...


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:21 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 10 May 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

Under GW Bush 14 embassies were attacked and 60 were killed!

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This is not about attacking Bush, he is no longer president, this is about putting into perspective those who would use the deaths at Benghazi for their own political opportunism: using the deaths for their own selfish agenda.

Where were the Benghazi Bray Brigade then?

What is your point?  Do you have one becasue you are completely missing what this is about.  It isn't that there was an attack, it was that we were told it was a demonstration about a movie for purely political reasons. it is about the failure to secure the facility adequately.  It is about not sending forces to interdict the attackers.

Ar eyou happy that the WH and State Dept. lied to you?  Is it acceptable that they stopped reinforcements from deployoing out of Tripoli because they are democrats?  Is anything acceptable as long as it is a democrat doing it?  It seems that way to me for a lot of people and the  MSM.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

They did not lie.

Obama and Rice could not reveal classified information to the public.

They had to give the information the CIA released as declassified, very bland and brief.

The CIA was trying to hunt these guys down, to instantly say we know who did it, would have hurt their investigation.

Obama called it a terrorist attack two days later. That is when he was allowed to say it.

The WH and SD did not lie to me. Don't forget those FOX guys are also blaming the CIA.

FOX news is lying to others.

FOX news is the only source of complaints from the media.

Most of America is not buying it.

They never stopped reinforcements.

One plane that Hicks claims was stopped was already said to be evacuating others.

The bottom line is this: if the belly-aching from the right was based on saving lives, from not letting it happen again, they would focus on policy.

If all their efforts were on policy we would have a better policy in place faster, that would save lives, a policy which would continue past this administration.

Wasting time on people who won't be in office or appointed in a few years is a waste of energy. Their conspriacy theories are based on emotional tirades and not critical thinking.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 10 May 2013 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostMerc14, on 10 May 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Is anything acceptable as long as it is a democrat doing it?  It seems that way to me for a lot of people and the  MSM.

So the people and the mainstream media will find anything a Democrat does acceptable?

That sounds like a conspiracy theory.

The reason why only FOX is covering it from the outrage angle is because they clearly have a partisan agenda.

The reason other mainstream media is not, is because they are not being biased about this, they are not "covering it up" that again would be a conspiracy theory.

So much CT is bleeding over onte the political forums, all because a few Republicans are jumping on it, but that does not make it mainstream, it is still CT.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:44 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 10 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

So the people and the mainstream media will find anything a Democrat does acceptable?

That sounds like a conspiracy theory.

The reason why only FOX is covering it from the outrage angle is because they clearly have a partisan agenda.

The reason other mainstream media is not, is because they are not being biased about this, they are not "covering it up" that again would be a conspiracy theory.

So much CT is bleeding over onte the political forums, all because a few Republicans are jumping on it, but that does not make it mainstream, it is still CT.
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BS.  If this was a republican administration you'd be tearing into them like a rabid dog and a BIG BS on your above classified info theory.  I have never read such rubbish in my life.  You were lied to and you don't care because democrats are doing it to you.  That says more about you than the ones doing the lying.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:10 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 10 May 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

They did not lie.

Obama and Rice could not reveal classified information to the public.

They had to give the information the CIA released as declassified, very bland and brief.

The CIA was trying to hunt these guys down, to instantly say we know who did it, would have hurt their investigation.

Obama called it a terrorist attack two days later. That is when he was allowed to say it.

The WH and SD did not lie to me. Don't forget those FOX guys are also blaming the CIA.

FOX news is lying to others.

FOX news is the only source of complaints from the media.

Most of America is not buying it.

They never stopped reinforcements.

One plane that Hicks claims was stopped was already said to be evacuating others.

The bottom line is this: if the belly-aching from the right was based on saving lives, from not letting it happen again, they would focus on policy.

If all their efforts were on policy we would have a better policy in place faster, that would save lives, a policy which would continue past this administration.

Wasting time on people who won't be in office or appointed in a few years is a waste of energy. Their conspriacy theories are based on emotional tirades and not critical thinking.

Susan Rice came out on national TV and said this was all due to retalliation over the video and not a terrorist attack.  If they couldn't release any more info without jeopardizing the investigation, Why do it at all???   Save your breath until the investigation is over.  Why come out on the Sunday morning shows and spew that crap at all if you don't have all your ducks in a row?


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:15 PM

Susan Rice said that is what they believed but that it was a developing story, or words to that effect. Bring out the video if you want to review it.

The point is not to convince those engrained in conspiracy theores but to help those understand who do not believe in them, how those conspiracy theories are false, and how our government is not deliberately lying to us.

"Yeah, they deliberately let our people die, they had it our for them, and for us, and they want to keep their jobs, they are evil and selfish."

It does not make sense to sensible minds.





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