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[The New Richard Nixon]

Israel is the nation th world should be worried about, it could take out most of the Eastern European Countries.

[spartan max2]

we kind of caused the problem when we "made" the state of isreal in 1948 <.<.  So we are kind of the reason they hate each other

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The New Richard Nixon, on 17 November 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Israel is the nation th world should be worried about, it could take out most of the Eastern European Countries.

I agree that the world should be concerned with what Israel might do if it is pushed into a place where it fears for it's continued existence.  Everything else is probably negotiable but not that.  And as to Eastern European countries, they have never been threatened by Israel.  In fact Israel has never threatened anyone with nukes that wasn't in the act of attacking them.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Coffey, on 17 November 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

What so the way the Israeli military treats civilians (mostly Palestine) isn't medieval?

It is Hamas which is treating civilians in a medieval way, not the Israelis.  At this very moment in time Hamas is treating the civilians of the Gaza Strip as one huge human shield.

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Also believing in a "prophecy" and supporting that "prophecy" while pushing it onto the world (by causing problems in the middle east) is also not medieval?!

Israel isn't causing problems in the Middle East.  It is groups such as Hamas and the medieval anti-Semitic Muslim states around which surround it which are causing the problems.  Remember that it was Hamas which started the current situation, not Israel.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 18 November 2012 - 04:11 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

The New Richard Nixon, on 17 November 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Israel is the nation th world should be worried about, it could take out most of the Eastern European Countries.

Why should the world worry about Israel?  Go on Einstein, tell us.  I didn't realise Israel was a threat to the world.

My reckoning is that the world should be more worried by the likes of Iran.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 18 November 2012 - 04:13 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

spartan max2, on 17 November 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

we kind of caused the problem when we "made" the state of isreal in 1948 <.<.  So we are kind of the reason they hate each other

All the other states around Israel are recent creations which were created by the West.  Israel isn't even the only state in that area to occupy what was once the British Mandate of Palestine.  So, too, does Jordan.  But we never hear the European Left condemning Islamic Jordan for "occupying Palestine."  We never hear them condemning the Palestinian Authority and Lebanon for "occupying (Ottoman) Syria".  Oh no.  It's only the nasty Jews of Israel which are condemned.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 18 November 2012 - 04:18 PM.

[shaddow134]

TheLastLazyGun, on 18 November 2012 - 04:15 PM, said:

All the other states around Israel are recent creations which were created by the West.  Israel isn't even the only state in that area to occupy what was once the British Mandate of Palestine.  So, too, does Jordan.  But we never hear the European Left condemning Islamic Jordan for "occupying Palestine."  We never hear them condemning the Palestinian Authority and Lebanon for "occupying (Ottoman) Syria".  Oh no.  It's only the nasty Jews of Israel which are condemned.

Isreal are the loose cannons in the Middle East.Since when has state sanctioned Assasination been Legal,film it then release it to media.I am no fan of organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah but the IDF should be included in the List of Middle Eastern Antagonists.

[TheLastLazyGun]

shaddow134, on 18 November 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Isreal are the loose cannons in the Middle East.

No, they aren't.  The violent, bigotted, medieval Islamic thugs surrounding them, who have got it into their heads that only Islamic states should exist in the Middle East and especially not Jewish states (even though the Jews have been in that area far longer than the Muslims) are the loose cannons.

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Since when has state sanctioned Assasination been Legal

Have you got any evidence that it's illegal?  State sanctioned assassination has been around for centuries and will be around for centuries to come.  I see no problem with the Israelis wiping out a nasty individual - an enemy of their country -  who wishes to wipe their country off the map.  The Israelis should do all they have to do to defend their nation against terrorist thugs.

[Topperharvey]

The Jewish people created Israel in Palestine after being the victims of Nazi scum. They stand up to people who want to hurt them. It is frightening. Jewish people should remember the horrors committed by Hitler on them and not carry out fascist acts on innocent Arabs?

[shaddow134]

TheLastLazyGun, on 18 November 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

No, they aren't.  The violent, bigotted, medieval Islamic thugs surrounding them, who have got it into their heads that only Islamic states should exist in the Middle East and especially not Jewish states (even though the Jews have been in that area far longer than the Muslims) are the loose cannons.



Have you got any evidence that it's illegal?  State sanctioned assassination has been around for centuries and will be around for centuries to come.  I see no problem with the Israelis wiping out a nasty individual - an enemy of their country -  who wishes to wipe their country off the map.  The Israelis should do all they have to do to defend their nation against terrorist thugs.

http://www.enotes.co...sination-178892

The first category of “law enforcement” when applied to state sponsored assassinations is problematic in that a state trying to rely on assassination denies due process to the target-victim. Furthermore, to treat a target as having committed a crime expects standard law enforcement methods to be employed to apprehend the alleged criminal. Elements of due process such as a fair trial encompass notions of fair apprehension. Where assassination occurs, due process is impossible. There is no right of reply, no natural justice. Also, an assassin state’s use of the law enforcement defense has been argued before by the Israel in the context of assassinations and is a weak argument that they soon abandoned.


To rely on law enforcement measures as a legal basis for an assassination means that lethal force can only be used where it is absolutely necessary and otherwise unavoidable. Law enforcement officers must first identify themselves, then warn and attempt to arrest a suspect unless they or others are then placed at risk of death or serious injury. Bypassing such formalities renders an assassination illegal in international law. Furthermore, assassination in peacetime is incompatible with human rights law.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Topperharvey, on 18 November 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

Jewish people should remember the horrors committed by Hitler on them and not carry out fascist acts on innocent Arabs?

Am I missing something here?

Just who was it who STARTED the current trouble by firing rockets in the first place?  It wasn't the Israelis, it was Hamas.  It was Hamas who started it.  If they are going to be firing rockets onto Israeli civilians they should fully expect the Israelis to do the same in retaliation.  If France started firing missiles at Britain I would fully expect Britain to start firing missiles back.

The Israelis are doing nothing "fascist".  They are merely retaliating after Hamas started firing rockets at them.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 18 November 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

shaddow134, on 18 November 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

http://www.enotes.co...sination-178892

The first category of “law enforcement” when applied to state sponsored assassinations is problematic in that a state trying to rely on assassination denies due process to the target-victim. Furthermore, to treat a target as having committed a crime expects standard law enforcement methods to be employed to apprehend the alleged criminal. Elements of due process such as a fair trial encompass notions of fair apprehension. Where assassination occurs, due process is impossible. There is no right of reply, no natural justice. Also, an assassin state’s use of the law enforcement defense has been argued before by the Israel in the context of assassinations and is a weak argument that they soon abandoned.


To rely on law enforcement measures as a legal basis for an assassination means that lethal force can only be used where it is absolutely necessary and otherwise unavoidable. Law enforcement officers must first identify themselves, then warn and attempt to arrest a suspect unless they or others are then placed at risk of death or serious injury. Bypassing such formalities renders an assassination illegal in international law. Furthermore, assassination in peacetime is incompatible with human rights law.

I don't care.  Israel should do all it can to defend itself against aggression.

Nobody has mentioned the fact that this Hamas guy would still be alive now had Hamas not started firing rockets onto Israel.

[Coffey]

TheLastLazyGun, on 18 November 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

It is Hamas which is treating civilians in a medieval way, not the Israelis.  At this very moment in time Hamas is treating the civilians of the Gaza Strip as one huge human shield.




Israel isn't causing problems in the Middle East.  It is groups such as Hamas and the medieval anti-Semitic Muslim states around which surround it which are causing the problems.  Remember that it was Hamas which started the current situation, not Israel.

So lets look at the statistics shall we.


Let's use Iran and Israel examples of how Israel is.


Iran: Last at war with Iraq. Iraq attacked Iran after being pushed by the US. Iran hasn't attacked another country in over 30 years.

Israel: contumely involved in all modern wars, continually attacking civilians, continually attacking and threatening other countries. Believes it's allowed to do all this due to a religious belief.........



Yeah... OK Israeli government isn't a religious extremist problem is it... (sarcasm)

[The New Richard Nixon]

TheLastLazyGun, on 18 November 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Why should the world worry about Israel?  Go on Einstein, tell us.  I didn't realise Israel was a threat to the world.

My reckoning is that the world should be more worried by the likes of Iran.

First of all, they have so much money for mainting and upgrading new weapons and technology. Nuclear weapons but Brits have some but i think Israeli's weapons are up to date. New weapons, they make thier own and have been good at it, so good that the UK has bought some drones from them. Never die attitude, the majority of Israelis have been in the armed services and patriotic too.

[The New Richard Nixon]

TheLastLazyGun, on 18 November 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Am I missing something here?

Just who was it who STARTED the current trouble by firing rockets in the first place?  It wasn't the Israelis, it was Hamas.  It was Hamas who started it.  If they are going to be firing rockets onto Israeli civilians they should fully expect the Israelis to do the same in retaliation.  If France started firing missiles at Britain I would fully expect Britain to start firing missiles back.

The Israelis are doing nothing "fascist".  They are merely retaliating after Hamas started firing rockets at them.

Actually this time it was Israel..this time though.