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[Coffey]

Corp, on 11 February 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

It still have government and taxes, which according to the video is still enslavement.

It more to do witht eh fact you pay taxes to a private bank and not to the actual system.

Another point is you should only pay taxes if you actually use what they pay for, like roads, waste removel etc. Not sure how it works though, maybe it does work liek that. Never tried to live in the wild before. lol (well not mroe than a weekend)

Stellar, on 11 February 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

If that isnt enslavement then this isnt either, as you have the choice of moving to another country.

Not really. I couldn't jsut move abroad, need a passport firstly, which involves paying for it and giving the goverment a permenant address etc. Then wher eot mvoe to, most countries are enslaved by this exact banking system. lol The only ones that wheren't before have been invaded recently. (Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya) Kinda leave sus with Iran... We know there will be a war there.. So no thanks.

Edited by Coffey, 11 February 2013 - 06:06 PM.

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Stellar, on 11 February 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

But the people will still work for businesses and corporations, which will use money to get people to do their bidding... hence people can call that "enslavement" as well.

They're free to go.  They wouldn't need to be wealthy to get a good education because tuition would be getting cheaper and cheaper especially in light of advanced technologies like the internet which should enable that effect.  It's pretty pathetic when we get the exact opposite and college is only more and more expensive.   Britain's even worse than the US.  They have a cultural class privilege that seems to be baked into everything in life.  Their expectations are set that way out of tradition.  American traditions are different and our expectations are too.  But, it's true in the US too, you have to be wealthy to go to college.  It's the parents of means who can afford their children that luxury/waste.   Or there's the case of a responsible young person willing to work hard and do whatever it takes to pay their own way.  All the added cost due to unending subsidization and borrowing makes that young person "enslaved" far longer than he/she would otherwise need to be.   The inflation tax enslaves us all, but the lower and middle class the most.

[Corp]

Coffey, on 11 February 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

It more to do witht eh fact you pay taxes to a private bank and not to the actual system.

Another point is you should only pay taxes if you actually use what they pay for, like roads, waste removel etc. Not sure how it works though, maybe it does work liek that. Never tried to live in the wild before. lol (well not mroe than a weekend)

Well the video said that this "enslavement" started in ancient Egypt and Rome. No private banks then so it seems to be condemning government and taxation in general.

As for only paying taxes on stuff you use, that gets really messy and opens the door to chaos imo. Like say for example I never use the highway. Well then I shouldn't have to pay taxes to maintain it. Gets to a point there everyone might have their own personal tax code which would be a huge headache. Know the idea came up here a year or so back when the city put in green bins. Well many in the rural areas already compost so they didn't want to pay for it. There's there's the taxes that are used to build the transit system. Well not everyone uses it so should they have to pay for it? And if you go that route will you have enough funding to properly support what you're trying to fund? Or do you just hike up the taxes on those using it?

It's a far from perfect system and there's tons of room for improvement and reform, but this "enslavement" is a lot better than what "freedom" has to offer. At least for now. Maybe at some point in the future...who knows?

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Corp, on 11 February 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

Well the video said that this "enslavement" started in ancient Egypt and Rome.

While Egypt knew the concept of the indentured servant, it was not a slavery economy. Just one of the dozen fallacies of that video.

Overall: F-

[Coffey]

Corp, on 11 February 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

Well the video said that this "enslavement" started in ancient Egypt and Rome. No private banks then so it seems to be condemning government and taxation in general.

As for only paying taxes on stuff you use, that gets really messy and opens the door to chaos imo. Like say for example I never use the highway. Well then I shouldn't have to pay taxes to maintain it. Gets to a point there everyone might have their own personal tax code which would be a huge headache. Know the idea came up here a year or so back when the city put in green bins. Well many in the rural areas already compost so they didn't want to pay for it. There's there's the taxes that are used to build the transit system. Well not everyone uses it so should they have to pay for it? And if you go that route will you have enough funding to properly support what you're trying to fund? Or do you just hike up the taxes on those using it?

It's a far from perfect system and there's tons of room for improvement and reform, but this "enslavement" is a lot better than what "freedom" has to offer. At least for now. Maybe at some point in the future...who knows?

Well as for the tax thing I meant if you sue jsut 1 thing you should pay. But then i could see exception in the future witht he digital age makign things like that easier to sort.

Well i'm not sticking up for the video jsut discussing how the enslavement works. I don't watch videos and beleive what they say, just that some points of that video are true.

The egyptians and Rome  where being mentioned to prove that that sort of slavery doesn't work to it's fullest and fails in the end...  So the Bankers/elite thought up a better way to enslave us and used that. Never mentioned us being enslaved since then. .