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[Jacques Terreur]

GirlfromOz, on 22 February 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

If you are a creationist & believe in the Bible's story,Adam was very intelligent.....

If you believe in the evolutionary process, you are probably much closer to reality. But that's my personal two cents.

[Hobbit Feet]

GirlfromOz? You believe in the Bible story yet you're screen name is relates to a very pagan place! Knowing names of all the animals is memory not intelligence. All the things you pointed out relating to his intelligence was obviously after he ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge. Adam was not perfect!

[Coffey]

Jacques Terreur, on 22 February 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

uuuhmmm...well...yeah....but he's also my brother in law!

Ahhhhhh! lol

[WoIverine]

Jacques Terreur, on 22 February 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

may i ask how old you are? i am in my mid-thirties now, and sometimes i catch myself swearing at the "stupid mindless youth" as well, but then i remember that this is exactly the speech we got from thirty-somethings when we were 15.....

i know exactly what you mean, but let them grow pubic hair before condemning them!

Ugh, caught myself getting irritated that kids were running around, screaming and yelling outside my front door. Mid 30's here also, I wonder how long it will take until that turns into "get off my lawn". lol I never thought that would happen.

[CRYSiiSx2]

These "experts" must be their first hand proof?

[Mikami]

I agree with Jinxdom

[Jacques Terreur]

WoIverine, on 22 February 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Ugh, caught myself getting irritated that kids were running around, screaming and yelling outside my front door. Mid 30's here also, I wonder how long it will take until that turns into "get off my lawn". lol I never thought that would happen.

no matter how old you are, just never forget that once you were in the age that all those annoying little sh**s are in now. Thinking back to myself in that particular age makes me pretty mild, i tell ya....  
i also have a six-year old daughter, that's my extra dose of patience....

[King Fluffs]

Jacques Terreur, on 22 February 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

may i ask how old you are? i am in my mid-thirties now, and sometimes i catch myself swearing at the "stupid mindless youth" as well, but then i remember that this is exactly the speech we got from thirty-somethings when we were 15.....

i know exactly what you mean, but let them grow pubic hair before condemning them!

Unfortunately for me I'm in the same age range as them.
I turn 17 at the start of next month however,

[Professor T]

Jinxdom, on 22 February 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

Honestly we have no real reason to think anymore. Thinking is a survival skill, pure and simple. Think about how easy it is to survive nowadays compare to how it was in the past. Now that we don't need to think to survive besides the basics(and think about the differences between finding food,water,shelter in the past compared to now). We focus more on emotions, feeling good, and being entertained.

I don't think that it is a coincidence that as our existence gets easier to survive in, that our general intelligence gets lower.

Okay I don't think there is much truth in this.. Ultimately I think that this line of reasoning is incredibly self destructive because claiming that inteligence is born from the whole "Life is survival of the fittest" senario or "Life is War" set's us up to creating life senario's like what is highlighted... The fact that life is no-longer survial of the fittest or War doesn't imo rob us of inteligence.

Also, the shift of focus to "emotions, feeling good, and being entertained" is Ego driven, and not an empowering way of spending ones energy or focus of goals that enhance or create intilligence. This false focus more on emotions, feeling good, and being entertained is a focus on sitting on ones a$$ in front of the Tele turing one's brain into vegetation imo.. which of course lowers peoples intelligence.

Focusing on emotions, feeling good, and being entertained... Hmmmm, sounds like an advert for something doesn't it. And aren't the advertising companities good at hooking us into their world by dangling these kind of treats for our ego to consume..

Mikami, on 22 February 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

I agree with Jinxdom

^^^

Edited by Professor T, 22 February 2013 - 10:17 PM.

[WoIverine]

Hobbit Feet, on 22 February 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

GirlfromOz? You believe in the Bible story yet you're screen name is relates to a very pagan place! Knowing names of all the animals is memory not intelligence. All the things you pointed out relating to his intelligence was obviously after he ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge. Adam was not perfect!

Seriously, if Adam had been, "hey babe, bros before hoes", we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

[calaf]

I know, they can't even spell intellegence.

[Professor T]

GirlfromOz, on 22 February 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

If you are a creationist & believe in the Bible's story,Adam was very intelligent.So was Eve.He was perfect.He knew every name of every animal that the Lord placed upon the Earth.That was an achievement in itself, knowing that there were many many more species of animals that existed then.He would have been a very intelligent being.Even his offspring knew how to create musical instruments that resonated with certain vibrational frequencies that enhanced the heavenly connections etc..he knew the laws of physics & connected with mathematics & with the heavenly vibrations & saw the stars & knew their placement in the universe & the timing.

There's something in the Genesis/ tree of knowledge story that might relate some truth in our loss of intelligence. I've no doubt that we as a species have lost a lot of knowledge.. But knowledge is only memory.. What is truely concerning is our loss of the ability to hold memories.. I read somewhere that people's short term memories have been on the decline since the 1980's.. (wish I could find the artical.)

[Rocketgirl]

Jacques Terreur, on 21 February 2013 - 05:34 AM, said:

i saw Mike Judge's "Idiocracy" some time ago, and i think that this is one of cinema's most accurate descriptions of the future of humanity......

A few years ago, I had a conversation with someone about that movie. I believe that our future will be like that unless something changes. Sometimes, I even think that I am getting dumber. I think the human race is losing inteligence and it's only a matter of time before we start focusing on nonsense things instead of trying to find a cure for cancer.

[Professor T]

Medications have a lot to answer for too..

Doc put me on some pills (Benzalip), and for the following 6 months I started finding that lot's of mistakes started creeping into my work, and in general I started to actually feel like I was getting dumb because I started forgetting the small but significant things.. Turned out that one of the side effects of the pills was minor loss of memory..

I threw away the pills..

It took me I think about a year to get back to some form of normality.

Edited to add: Memory is not to be confused with Intelligence.. But problems with memory sure make people do some stupid things..

Edited by Professor T, 22 February 2013 - 11:24 PM.

[Seeker79]

redhen, on 21 February 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

No one has mentioned the cause of this decline as pointed out clearly in the article:

"Further, the geneticist explains that people with specific adverse genetic mutations are more likely than ever to survive and live amongst the ‘strong.’ Darwin’s theory of ‘survival of the fittest’ is less applicable in today’s society, therefore those with better genes will not necessarily dominate in society as they would have in the past."

What this geneticist is proposing is eugenics. Nothing to do with poverty or education. It's simply feeble minded people procreating. That's the problem according to Dr. Crabtree.

Yup. Better is relative, a "better" gene is one that is better at reproducing itself. Unfortunately smarter people limit their amount of children in many ways while ....eehemmm .... Others do not. Evolution will Win the day no matter what.

redhen, on 21 February 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

No one has mentioned the cause of this decline as pointed out clearly in the article:

"Further, the geneticist explains that people with specific adverse genetic mutations are more likely than ever to survive and live amongst the ‘strong.’ Darwin’s theory of ‘survival of the fittest’ is less applicable in today’s society, therefore those with better genes will not necessarily dominate in society as they would have in the past."

What this geneticist is proposing is eugenics. Nothing to do with poverty or education. It's simply feeble minded people procreating. That's the problem according to Dr. Crabtree.

Yup. Better is relative, a "better" gene is one that is better at reproducing itself. Unfortunately smarter people limit their amount of children in many ways while ....eehemmm .... Others do not. Evolution will Win the day no matter what.

Selective pressure is not on the side of the smart.