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#76    Eldorado

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:25 AM

View PostShadowSot, on 19 November 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:


I'd not equate "most atheists" to the atheists on this forum.


You can say that about every forum here where the discussion is between believers and non-believers of any subject, and be equally right for both sides.

With respect, I wouldn't use "discussion".  It seems to me that 21st Century society has decided that it's fashionable and fine to put the boot into Christians.  Not so much with Islamists of course, lest they are called "racist".  Hypocrisy on a grand scale, imo, just as most Churches are hypocritical in their practices.

We, society, are 'full of it'.  In my opinion.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:28 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 19 November 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

That fact also remains that there is a negative correlation between intelligence and religious belief.
http://davesource.co...-Lynn-et-al.pdf

I can't do it. Why do I care so much if I'm not even involved in any religion (of which I feel all are harmful to us all)? It's the passive aggressive insults given a moral higher ground because one side feels they are right. Religious people are less intelligent; message received. I can't read this any more; I want to sleep tonight.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:31 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 19 November 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

That fact also remains that there is a negative correlation between intelligence and religious belief.
http://davesource.co...-Lynn-et-al.pdf

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:31 AM

View Post_Only, on 19 November 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

The difference is that they are defending what they believe. Atheists don't believe in anything, so what are they defending against?
Atheists believe in plenty, just not gods.

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Nothing; they're attacking the rest, who are wrong.
Every situation is different. You cannot say that every time there is an argument between a christian and an atheist is is because the atheist is attacking the christian. This is exactly why atheists need to have their voices heard and represented in the public setting. The level of disdain is just staggering and frankly, a little pathetic coming from such a "compassionate" and "loving" religion.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:33 AM

View Post_Only, on 19 November 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

I can't do it. Why do I care so much if I'm not even involved in any religion (of which I feel all are harmful to us all)? It's the passive aggressive insults given a moral higher ground because one side feels they are right. Religious people are less intelligent; message received. I can't read this any more; I want to sleep tonight.

Goddamn, man. It's not the end of the world. Somebody said something and I responded with a bit of interesting information. Is it so hard for you to accept that some people don't believe the same things you do?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:34 AM

View Post_Only, on 19 November 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

The difference is that they are defending what they believe. Atheists don't believe in anything, so what are they defending against?
Atheists believe in plenty. Just not your god. And they want to defend the right to be able to disagree.

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Nothing; they're attacking the rest, who are wrong.
Right, we'll have to disagree here. let's leave it at that. There doesn't seem to be a way to progress.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:36 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 19 November 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:


Atheists believe in plenty, just not gods.

Every situation is different. You cannot say that every time there is an argument between a christian and an atheist is is because the atheist is attacking the christian. This is exactly why atheists need to have their voices heard and represented in the public setting. The level of disdain is just staggering and frankly, a little pathetic coming from such a "compassionate" and "loving" religion.

Likewise, for the proven intelligently superior atheists it is equally pathetic that they indulge in such blatant childish and spiteful behaviour.  They hate Christians, end of.

If your behaviour is just as bad as those you complain of, as is Israels and the Palestinians right now in the World At War arena, you should have a look at yerself.  Imo.

Edited by Eldorado, 19 November 2012 - 01:41 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:41 AM

View PostEldorado, on 19 November 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Likewise, for the proven intelligently superior atheists it is equally pathetic that they indulge in such blatant childish and spiteful behaviour.
Careful with that chip on your shoulder.

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They hate Christians, end of.
In my personal experience, Christians very much hate atheists as well. I like to think I have managed to put aside my grudge.
  It's certainly easier for Atheists to express their hate online, for those who may be in areas where such opinions would not be healthy. Either socially or physically.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:43 AM

View PostEldorado, on 19 November 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Likewise, for the proven intelligently superior atheists it is equally pathetic that they indulge in such blatant childish and spiteful behaviour.  They hate Christians, end of.

I don't hate Christians. I, personally, don't know one atheist that does. Some of my best friends are christians. XD
Do I think that their beliefs are silly? Absolutely. Just as you would think it's silly if you met an adult that actually believed in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.
Until you met each and every atheists in the world and have a very long conversation with each of them, you cannot say that they hate Christians. Those blanket statements and beliefs are exactly why atheists should be just as represented in public forums as everyone else.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:44 AM

View PostShadowSot, on 19 November 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:


Careful with that chip on your shoulder.

It's a big chip, ShadowSot.  I hate bullying; no matter who the bully is.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:48 AM

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It's a big chip, ShadowSot.  I hate bullying; no matter who the bully is.
That chip's causing you to act like a bully yourself. Best make peace before you begin to hate yourself.

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:48 AM

View PostShadowSot, on 19 November 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:


That chip's causing you to act like a bully yourself. Best make peace before you begin to hate yourself.

Who am I bullying?  If you can show me a post where I have bullied a person, I will give up my membership of UM out of shame.

Edited by Eldorado, 19 November 2012 - 01:50 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:49 AM

View PostEldorado, on 19 November 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

It's a big chip, ShadowSot.  I hate bullying; no matter who the bully is.

Then you should hate christians more than you do atheists. We're not the ones spouting hate filled rhetoric at people based on their sexual orientation or trying to get jewish fairy tales taught as science. We don't tell people they're going suffer for eternity if they don't believe what we do. Atheists don't get into positions of authority and trust and use that authority and trust to molest little children and cover it up. (To be fair, catholic priests do not have a monopoly on pedophilia.)

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:52 AM

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Then you should hate christians more than you do atheists. We're not the ones spouting hate filled rhetoric at people based on their sexual orientation or trying to get jewish fairy tales taught as science. We don't tell people they're going suffer for eternity if they don't believe what we do. Atheists don't get into positions of authority and trust and use that authority and trust to molest little children and cover it up. (To be fair, catholic priests do not have a monopoly on pedophilia.)

Most children who have been abused, have been abused by their own family members.  That's a fact, a horrible one, but a fact.

p.s. I hope to God you don't think I'm defending the Institutional cover-ups of abuse by what I say.

Edited by Eldorado, 19 November 2012 - 01:54 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:54 AM

View PostEldorado, on 19 November 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

Most children who have been abused, have been abused by their own family members.  That's a fact, a horrible one, but a fact.

I agree, but was just making a point. That's still a conversation that I'd rather not have here.

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