Bizeebutt Posted January 5, 2005 #1 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Ok, lets get out in the air some LOGICAL explainations as to how life on earth may have started. People keep grazing this topic in other threads... but to no great detail. Here's mine. All living matter is comprised of a few basic elements... Carbon, Oxygen, Hydrogen.... and then a miriad of others. When an experiment was done to try to "recreate" life, it was not as far off as people might judge it to be. Some elements naturally bond, and create such things as proteins. These proteins by nature have interesting capabilities. They can duplicate themselves when subjected to specific other proteins. Thus, DNA Replication for Dummies. (no insult intended here, only humor). Under certain conditions that can be reproduced in a laboratory (including motion, electricity, etc.) These proteins and lipids and random bits of DNA form something pretty darn close to a cell. Now... where is the life? you ask... What we are all failing to comprehend is the amount of TIME and ENERGY required to create the first sparks of life. I say SPARKS because it boils down essentially to energy. Energy that is channeled and used towards a specific purpose. Our cells individually do what they know how to do. Replicate, and preform a Predetermined task. This task is predetermined by the codes in the DNA. Receptors (again, more proteins) switch on or off parts of the DNA that will be expressed. This is why we have specified cells for livers, skin, eyes, our heart. It merely boils down to energy. Ok, so now the question of the hour. If energy can neither be created nor destroyed, what happens when we die?? Our energy from our everyday body functions is ALWAYS being "lost". Not in the sense that we misplace it, "oops, where's my energy" No. We lose it through heat. Heat is lost in the process of decomposition. My two cents:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat_Kloud Posted January 5, 2005 #2 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Personally, I think plants are logical. I mean... The galaxy is born from the universe, the planets from the galaxy, and plants sprout up from the planet. As for things as humans and animals... I have no earthly idea where the first one came from. Plants are easy: they grew from the earth. But you don't see animals and humans hatching from the earth or anything, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girty1600 Posted January 5, 2005 #3 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat_Kloud Posted January 5, 2005 #4 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePortal Posted January 5, 2005 #5 Share Posted January 5, 2005 really interesting.I am curious to see as well what will some with more knowledge in science will think....I dont know enough what got me confuse thaugh... What we are all failing to comprehend is the amount of TIME and ENERGY required to create the first sparks of life. I say SPARKS because it boils down essentially to energy. Energy that is channeled and used towards a specific purpose. Our cells individually do what they know how to do. Replicate, and preform a Predetermined task. This task is predetermined by the codes in the DNA. Receptors (again, more proteins) switch on or off parts of the DNA that will be expressed. This is why we have specified cells for livers, skin, eyes, our heart. It merely boils down to energy. Ok, so now the question of the hour. If energy can neither be created nor destroyed, what happens when we die?? Our energy from our everyday body functions is ALWAYS being "lost". Not in the sense that we misplace it, "oops, where's my energy" No. We lose it through heat. Heat is lost in the process of decomposition. 437011[/snapback] is your first sentence saying that you do not know or that the science community do not know??? if you or they know...how much energy does it take for the first spark of life...and where does it comes from??? hehe full of question am I now for when we die all our body energy just decompose and then are transformed into different things. Except in a coffin, it does not do much Now if souls really exist....then this could I think be enough energy to be the spark of life, give the body a good boost to start. Unless you have another a scientific explaination I am very willing to know what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizeebutt Posted January 5, 2005 Author #6 Share Posted January 5, 2005 really interesting.I am curious to see as well what will some with more knowledge in science will think....I dont know enough what got me confuse thaugh... What we are all failing to comprehend is the amount of TIME and ENERGY required to create the first sparks of life. I say SPARKS because it boils down essentially to energy. Energy that is channeled and used towards a specific purpose. Our cells individually do what they know how to do. Replicate, and preform a Predetermined task. This task is predetermined by the codes in the DNA. Receptors (again, more proteins) switch on or off parts of the DNA that will be expressed. This is why we have specified cells for livers, skin, eyes, our heart. It merely boils down to energy. Ok, so now the question of the hour. If energy can neither be created nor destroyed, what happens when we die?? Our energy from our everyday body functions is ALWAYS being "lost". Not in the sense that we misplace it, "oops, where's my energy" No. We lose it through heat. Heat is lost in the process of decomposition. 437011[/snapback] is your first sentence saying that you do not know or that the science community do not know??? if you or they know...how much energy does it take for the first spark of life...and where does it comes from??? hehe full of question am I well, actually noone knows. at this point in time, everything is theory. What I am theorizing is that since the earth is known to be billions of years old, it might have taken a million or so years before these "cells" began showing signs of "life" by searching for nutrition, etc. And as I believe in evolution, these original life forms (I say life forms, because they still may not be "alive" in the sense that you and I know about) began to have mutations and the most fit for specific conditions survived. Over many millenia, plants and animals developed... with one basic natural motive. To procreate. Plants and animals alike share this motive because on a cellular level our bodies (and plants' too )we are constantly regenerating, plants just go about it in a different way. In order to procreate we need fuel for the cellular processes, and some animals became more adapted to find food... became more "intelligent" and whathave you... now for when we die all our body energy just decompose and then are transformed into different things. Except in a coffin, it does not do much when we die, the cells decompose. this releases heat energy. This is why our bodies get cold. When heat is released, the object in question gets cold. this happens in and out of a coffin Now if souls really exist....then this could I think be enough energy to be the spark of life, give the body a good boost to start. Unless you have another a scientific explaination I am very willing to know what it is 437049[/snapback] Essentially what makes our body work is energy in a form similar to electricity. Our neurons control what our cells do. Whether our actions are voluntary such as throwing a ball, or involuntary like the beating of our heart, it is all regulated by our brains. Even in highly undeveloped and simple animals, there are core areas sometime called ganglia that send signals to the cells to function. In cingle celled organisms, the cells are purly functional. Feed and procreate. Because the energy is neither created nor destroyed, the energy that you might call a soul is still just that, energy. But this energy still comes from the parent organism, which goes all the way back to where life began, using energyfrom our environment... wave action, wind, solar, etc. So what created life? the existing primortial soup, energy, and lots and lots of TIME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted January 5, 2005 #7 Share Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) Which came first, the chicken or the egg? 437040[/snapback] it was the egg. the first hard shelled egg laid was the an egg laid 200 million years ago and it is believed that animal was the link between amphibians and reptiles. only after taht event was it that animals could lay eggs on land. birds would emerge 50 million years after the dinosaurs. the chicken is the off spring of the ancestor of the chicken that kaid that egg. so the egg came first Edited January 5, 2005 by Hotoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePortal Posted January 5, 2005 #8 Share Posted January 5, 2005 now for when we die all our body energy just decompose and then are transformed into different things. Except in a coffin, it does not do much when we die, the cells decompose. this releases heat energy. This is why our bodies get cold. When heat is released, the object in question gets cold. this happens in and out of a coffin actually I was joking with the coffin....it was just to say that the transformation was perhaps different in a coffin then in soil...ok heat is released but in the soil our body can be used as nutrients for it...but not nessecerly in a coffin So what created life? the existing primortial soup, energy, and lots and lots of TIME existing of primortial soup you lost me there seriously I have no idea how could life have began....even if someone said God created it...then how was God created?....I am not sure we will have this answer right now. We still have many to understand first about how our life and the universe works maybe you should put this question in mystery of the mind.....and some person with more scientific knowledge can answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted January 5, 2005 #9 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Which came first, the chicken or the egg? 437040[/snapback] it was the egg. the first hard shelled egg laid was the an egg laid 200 million years ago and it is believed that animal was the link between amphibians and reptiles. only after taht event was it that animals could lay eggs on land. birds would emerge 50 million years after the dinosaurs. the chicken is the off spring of the ancestor of the chicken that kaid that egg. so the egg came first 437642[/snapback] yup the egg would have came first. the egg would have contained the first chicken. which would have been laid by an animal that was like a chicken ..but not...so the mutation of animal inside the egg, would have made it first chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unorthodox Thesis Posted January 5, 2005 #10 Share Posted January 5, 2005 So, thats basically evolution. And you're saying that is't faith-based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted January 5, 2005 #11 Share Posted January 5, 2005 So, thats basically evolution. And you're saying that is't faith-based? 437857[/snapback] Not really. Alot of people who have strong faith disbelieves evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unorthodox Thesis Posted January 5, 2005 #12 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'm saying that for someone to believe in evolution, it requires a certain amount of faith. It takes a leap of faith to believe that something came out from nothing. No? Personally, I think it takes more faith to believe that than to believe in a God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted January 5, 2005 #13 Share Posted January 5, 2005 not really. I believe it, and haven't taken any huge leaps in faith to. something from nothing is a common thing. or it appears that way... Mass can't be created or destroyed... so something has always been there... religion is just one way of trying to understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted January 5, 2005 #14 Share Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) I'm saying that for someone to believe in evolution, it requires a certain amount of faith. It takes a leap of faith to believe that something came out from nothing. No? Personally, I think it takes more faith to believe that than to believe in a God. 437873[/snapback] that is so hypocritical like god was always there. how can god com from nothing? believing in god is also saying that something came from nothing. they are equal always the same god was always there besides there is some proof for a big bang. is there proof for existence of god? the different galaxies are moving away from us with speeds proportional to their distance. it also explains the cosmic background radiation buy yjere are stounanswered questions like with god Edited January 5, 2005 by Hotoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizeebutt Posted January 5, 2005 Author #15 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'm saying that for someone to believe in evolution, it requires a certain amount of faith. It takes a leap of faith to believe that something came out from nothing. No? Personally, I think it takes more faith to believe that than to believe in a God. 437873[/snapback] Incorrect... Believing in god is called faith. Not believing involves no faith. Not believing involves scientific EVIDENCE, faith on the other hand has none. And I never said something comes from nothing. By Primortial soup, I meant all of the naturally occuring elements that constitute life on this planet. did you read my post? not really. I believe it, and haven't taken any huge leaps in faith to. something from nothing is a common thing. or it appears that way... Mass can't be created or destroyed... so something has always been there... religion is just one way of trying to understand it. 437879[/snapback] this is true, but like I said, the evidence thing is what is missing for faith. there is, however, evidence for science. Faith is taking the easy way out... rather than trying to understand, everything can be traced to god. It seems that whether you believe in god or not, the evidence for evolution is overwhelming. And this thread is simply my idea for how LIFE started, not how the UNIVERSE started. The Big Bang theory quite nicely explains that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uversa Posted January 5, 2005 #16 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Which came first, the chicken or the egg? 437040[/snapback] it was the egg. the first hard shelled egg laid was the an egg laid 200 million years ago and it is believed that animal was the link between amphibians and reptiles. only after taht event was it that animals could lay eggs on land. birds would emerge 50 million years after the dinosaurs. the chicken is the off spring of the ancestor of the chicken that kaid that egg. so the egg came first 437642[/snapback] ok, which came first.. the chicken or the chicken egg? And to answer that, the chicken came first because in evolutionary terms it evolved from something else, then laid the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizeebutt Posted January 5, 2005 Author #17 Share Posted January 5, 2005 doesn't a chicken have to be an egg first?? I'm pretty sure Chickens come from eggs. The EMBRYO would have already had the mutation in order for it to develop into a chicken. Hence, the egg came first. But honestly...Chickens and eggs?? is the best you guys can do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoa182 Posted January 5, 2005 #18 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Who came first Humans or God? humans.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted January 5, 2005 #19 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Who came first Humans or God? humans.. 438106[/snapback] Why must you bring that into this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoa182 Posted January 5, 2005 #20 Share Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) Spirituality & Skepticism The Beginning of Life on Earth Edited January 5, 2005 by whoa182 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizeebutt Posted January 5, 2005 Author #21 Share Posted January 5, 2005 This thread is about how you logically think LIFE STARTED. .. not about whether God is involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoa182 Posted January 5, 2005 #22 Share Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) yes I know Just moving aside 1 thing at a time so we can move past the point of some peoples idea of creation. Otherwise humans started after Edited January 5, 2005 by whoa182 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufio85 Posted January 5, 2005 #23 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I was talking to someone earlier about how life started and she mentioned something which is critical to evolution. abiogenesis. I wanted to get more information about it, but I could only find out how it hasn't been proved. Can anyone please give me a link with an experiment where abiogenesis is proved. As I understand, abiogenesis has something to do about what Bizeebutt was saying in her first thread (about protein etc. comming together and forming cells which need time and energy to produce life) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoa182 Posted January 5, 2005 #24 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Did any1 take a look at this. 'Artificial life' comes step closer http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4104483.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted January 5, 2005 #25 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Spirituality & Skepticism The Beginning of Life on Earth 438130[/snapback] So start a new thread on god if you want to discuss it. I was talking to someone earlier about how life started and she mentioned something which is critical to evolution. abiogenesis. I wanted to get more information about it, but I could only find out how it hasn't been proved. Can anyone please give me a link with an experiment where abiogenesis is proved. Well, right now abiogenesis consists of finding out how life started *on Earth*. It is not yet known which way it started, but the theories are supported. If you search for the Urey & Miller experiment, they managed to create organic matter by zapping a mixture of inorganic matter with electricity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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