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#61    None of the above

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:40 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

lol

Doctors, nurses and specialists are valued members of society but they should still be on private wages not state salaries. They should also be paid what they're worth. I'm happy for a brain surgeon to be earning half a million a year but only if he/she deserves it.

Many at the bottom of society arent worth minimum wage so its wrong to pay them that. Lazy, unproductive, unskilled, incompetant employees should be on £3 an hour. They are not valuable to a business or society.

Having read a lot of your posts now, I can honestly say that I find your brand of extreme social Darwinism to be utterly odious.

I can't think of anyone less qualified to judge the relative worth of members of our society than someone like you.

You should read 'A Christmas Carol' Lots of exploited poor people, you'll enjoy the beginning, although from your point of view it doesn't end well.
This line reminds me of you.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:50 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 July 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Just to debunk the contention that the American system is more efficient, here is the conclusion of a US Government review of administrative costs comparing the US system to the Canadian system (comparable to the UK system). Its main conclusion is;



http://docs-europe.e...66b810fb25c.pdf

So the multi-insurer administration model is inherently more inefficient than the single provider model followed in Canada and the UK. The Canadian system has the secondary benefit of offering equal access to health provision such that those on minimum wage jobs do not have to face second class service or die from lack of provision.

I think that if the British public were asked the simple question of which system they would choose - we can all guess what the answer would be (here's a hint -  not the one suggested by by Mr Right Wing. Maybe he believe that the people are to ignorant to make the Right choice).

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Your link is a comparison between the US and Canada not the UK.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:51 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:



Many at the bottom of society arent worth minimum wage so its wrong to pay them that. Lazy, unproductive, unskilled, incompetant employees should be on £3 an hour. They are not valuable to a business or society.

I think it's safe to say from that sentence that you have never run your own business have you? No of course you haven't. I'm not going to pay £3.00 p/h to someone for being lazy and unproductive (no business would). I'm going to go through the disciplinary procedure so they can improve, and if they don't they're sacked and replaced with someone else, and they'll be paid the minimum wage as a start, and more if the business growth allows it.

As for incompetent and unskilled, incompetents can come from little more then lack of training, that's easily overcome. Unskilled? really, many many jobs in this country are classed as unskilled, and yet remain essential.

You haven't thought this through very well have you, as usual.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:08 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Your link is a comparison between the US and Canada not the UK.

The Canadian system is much more like the UK system than it is the American one. Your just dodging the issue now.

Since you attempted to dodge the actual issue - take a look at this for some very compelling evidence;

http://www.forbes.co...-costs-so-high/

To quote;

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The U.S. spent about $7,000 per capita in 2008 on health care. Peer countries, like Japan and the U.K., spend about half that amount and achieve equally good results, as measured, for example, by life expectancy at birth. That comparison is captured in the famous Mary Meeker graph, Chart 1. It shows that the gap is about $3,500 per person in the U.S. ($1.1 trillion for the 305 million U.S. residents).

Why don't you just be the man and admit that you are wrong ??


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Edited by Br Cornelius, 29 July 2012 - 11:13 PM.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:48 PM

View PostAtlantia, on 29 July 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Seeing as you've asked the question.
What do you do?
How do you serve our great nation?

I got a degree, discovered sales was one of the highest paid jobs in the land and stuck to that. Meanwhile I'm doing my second degree which is to allow me to start and run my own business.

My average weekly wage is about £2500

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 30 July 2012 - 12:15 AM.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:49 PM

View PostThe Sky Scanner, on 29 July 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

I think it's safe to say from that sentence that you have never run your own business have you? No of course you haven't. I'm not going to pay £3.00 p/h to someone for being lazy and unproductive (no business would). I'm going to go through the disciplinary procedure so they can improve, and if they don't they're sacked and replaced with someone else, and they'll be paid the minimum wage as a start, and more if the business growth allows it.

As for incompetent and unskilled, incompetents can come from little more then lack of training, that's easily overcome. Unskilled? really, many many jobs in this country are classed as unskilled, and yet remain essential.

You haven't thought this through very well have you, as usual.

I didnt want to appear to be mean but yes sack them all.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:31 AM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

I got a degree, discovered sales was one of the highest paid jobs in the land and stuck to that. Meanwhile I'm doing my second degree which is to allow me to start and run my own business.

My average weekly wage is about £2500, I'm self-employed and practice tax evasion which I can admit as no one knows who I am. Last year I didnt pay a penny in tax and yes I'm a member of the Conservative Party lol.

Mum is a retired armed escort for the MOD, dad is a retired warrent officer and both left at the end of the Iraq war. I went to Havel High in Berlin -
http://www.classmate...gh-School/21260 - and we have a mayor, ex mayor, councillor and ex MP in the family.

We are upper middle class and quite wealthy.


So there you go. You contribute nothing and are just in 'it' for yourself. Thatchers Tory dream of greed for its own sake come true.
You take from the system and don't want to contribute to it. You are happy to reap the benefits of other peoples contributions and sacrifices but are basically little more than a parasite.
Sales! Oh most 'worthy' of professions.
What makes your 'profession' any more worthy than streetcleaner, coal miner, or factory worker?
You think your 2.5k a week gives you the right to look down on others because you base your sense of self worth on nothing more than earning potential.

I would be hard pressed to think of a more sad and shallow existence.
But from reading your posts, I conclude that you are still young. So I hope for your sake that life shows you how misguided you are. There is still time.

Edited by Atlantia, 30 July 2012 - 12:45 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:38 AM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

I got a degree, discovered sales was one of the highest paid jobs in the land and stuck to that. Meanwhile I'm doing my second degree which is to allow me to start and run my own business.

My average weekly wage is about £2500

Too late with the edit. ;)


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:42 AM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

I didnt want to appear to be mean but yes sack them all.

Appearing merely 'mean' would require a detoxification and rebranding of your 'image' that Saatchi & Saatchi would be proud of.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:59 AM

It's interesting though that when asked 'what you do' and how you 'serve our great nation' you avoided specifics of your 'profession' and instead answered with figures of remuneration, vague qualifications and the achievements of other family members. While bragging about evading paying tax.

Very telling.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:07 AM

Who was it said "anyone who doesn't pay tax is scum, anyone who pays all their tax is a fool"?

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 01:30 AM

Love the way Mr Right Wing admits to tax evasion saying, ''it's ok, nobody knows who I am'', then goes on to give enough information about his family and old school to trace him within a few hours. (If one wished to of course lol)
Maybe that;s why he tried to edit it. :)


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 03:51 AM

View Postsmurf0852, on 29 July 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

doctors,nurses and medical admin staff get paid more in private hospitals than they do in the NHS.or would you advocate privatising the NHS and then putting them all on minimum wage because they didnt go to eton ?

It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it. --Thomas Sowell

Edited by acidhead, 30 July 2012 - 03:51 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:38 AM

it's perhaps worth observing to mr. Survival of the Fittest that "Many at the bottom of society" who are doing the jobs on minimum wage, but nevertheless "arent worth" even that, are in fact doing the jobs that keep society trundling along, and which people who boast about (for example) the Degrees that they have, would not possibly ever lower themselves to do.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:40 AM

Does anyone scent hints of Walter Mitty complex here, I wonder?

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