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#16    libstaK

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

I believe there is definitely life elsewhere in the Universe.

I do not know if life commonly evolves to the level where species become technologically minded or advanced or if the imperative of the "survival of the fittest" actually makes it more difficult/rare for stable societies and technologies to evolve.

Whether they visit or know we are here I have yet to receive conclusive evidence of.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:57 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 25 January 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Also known as Panspermia.






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia


I rather like that hypothesis myself, it seems almost elegant and considering the extremes to which life can exist and even thrive I'd say it's a decent contender for the origin of life here. However that still leaves the question of where and how life actually may have originated.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:01 PM

faster  than  light  travel  is   not  a good  bet   ,  near   speed  of  light  is   all  thats  needed   to  dialate  time  so   you  travel    500   light  years   and  only   feel   2  years  of  times  passing ....

what  we  think  of  as  life  is  actualy   not  very  likly  any  where  else...   20% oxygen  ,   and  water  as a  basic  life  function   may  work  on  earth....   but   oxygen   burns  things  up    its  so  reactive  ,   and  water  is  the  universal  solvent ,  desolving   nearly  anything  you  place  in  it .   DNA   useing   left  hand  pare   nucalic  asid  is   about  as  likly  as   UFO's   containing   R2D2   and  C3Po  ....

in  the  local  solar  system ,  finding  life  is  not  good  ,  but  its  magnitudes  better  than   other   places  ....

that  said  , let  us  hope  that  i  am  wrong...  (  i  sure  hope  i  am  )


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

I think the evidence that life originated here and did not arrive from elsewhere is convincing.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist elsewhere too, its just that given a reducing atmosphere, multiple sources of energy, a large ocean, and millions of years, what do we expect?


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

If only Police Constable Alan Godfrey had had a dashcam we'd have a terrific close-up of the UFO that blocked the road in front of his patrol car and abducted him one night, then he wouldn't have to sketch it like he did below-

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http://www.ufocasebo...yabduction.html

Nowadays more people are carrying cameras and videocams than ever before, and there are CCTV cams everywhere so hopefully its just a matter of time before something sensational is caught on film.

PS- are there any UFO researchers here who can tell me the exact spot where Godfrey's encounter took place so I can check it out on google Street View?

Edited by Crikey, 25 January 2013 - 02:57 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:13 PM

View PostCrikey, on 25 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

If only Police Constable Alan Godfrey had had a dashcam we'd have a terrific close-up of the UFO that blocked the road in front of his patrol car and abducted him one night, then he wouldn't have to sketch it like he did below-



http://www.ufocasebo...yabduction.html

Nowadays more people are carrying cameras and videocams than ever before, and there are CCTV cams everywhere so hopefully its just a matter of time before something sensational is caught on film.

PS- are there any UFO researchers here who can tell me the exact spot where Godfrey's encounter took place so I can check it out on google Street View?

street view? this happened over 30 years ago, even when I Google up my childhood home I dont recognize zip, except the actual house. Anyway as per wiki it happened on Burnley Road. Why not make this a separate thread seeing as youve now posted it twice on others threads? The advantage of doing that is it may well get more responses, after all, who will expect to find this subject under this threads title?  
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http://www.unexplain...howtopic=139927





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Edited by seeder, 25 January 2013 - 05:20 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:40 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 25 January 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

Nope.

I ate the last one.

Full now.


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Hardly, hardly.....This statement is no more accurate than a person shuts their eyes and claim light doesn't exist.
If someone completely shut the door on the possibility at every twists and turns, It impossible for anything to get through. Not for the lack of trying, though.




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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:35 AM

If you consider they have been discovering more and more Earth like planets and there have also been a lot of abductions and close encounters of the 3rd kind it seems very likley indeed. :tu:


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:51 AM

View PostCrikey, on 25 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

If only Police Constable Alan Godfrey had had a dashcam we'd have a terrific close-up of the UFO that blocked the road in front of his patrol car and abducted him one night, then he wouldn't have to sketch it like he did below-

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http://www.ufocasebo...yabduction.html

Nowadays more people are carrying cameras and videocams than ever before, and there are CCTV cams everywhere so hopefully its just a matter of time before something sensational is caught on film.

PS- are there any UFO researchers here who can tell me the exact spot where Godfrey's encounter took place so I can check it out on google Street View?

The Alan Godfrey case was real X-files type stuff. If memory serves me correctly he was also involved in a murder investigation  where the deceased appeared to killed under unusual circumstances, possibly a UFO.

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MYSTERY | a reconstruction depicts the discovery of a Yorkshire miner's body

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Zigmund Adamski's body was discoverd in a coal yard



Alan Godfrey was one of the two officers to inspect the body of the deceased Zigmund Adamski. Adamski's body was found lying on a heap of coal in Tomlin's coal yard in the town of Todmorden at 15:45 on Wednesday June 11, 1980. Godfrey's inspection revealed that the body had been crudely dressed: he was wearing an overcoat and a vest, but no shirt. His jacket was fastened unevenly, the fly of his trousers was unzipped, and his shoes were not tied properly. Godfrey thought that the shoes seemed as though they had been placed on Adamski's feet by someone else.[3] The forensic inspection of the body revealed that he had died of a heart attack, and had been dead for at least 8 hours before the police arrived.[3] There were other unusual circumstances as well: Though Adamski was found at the top of a pile of coal, no scuffs or traces of coal dust were found on his clothing or skin, nor were there any signs on the coal itself to suggest that he had climbed to the top of the pile. Furthermore, strange burn marks were found around the back of his head, and another on the back of his neck that was covered in an unknown gel-like substance. Neither the burn marks nor the substance were ever identified. It was concluded that Adamski had been missing for six days prior to the discovery of his body.[3]Godfrey was tasked with investigating the case (thought to be a homicide), but was not able to ascertain what had happened to Adamski.

The investigation into the death of Adamski was dropped later that year, and a security clampdown forbade officers from speaking to the press.[4] Reflecting on the case in 1993, coroner James Turnbull claimed that the case absolutely mystified him. He also expressed some willingness to believe, along with popular speculation, that a UFO had been involved.[2] The case remains unsolved.

See: http://www.bbc.co.uk...i_mystery.shtml

Also a similar beared alien was reported in another case in Winchester, Hampshire, England. This would have been four years before the Godfrey abduction.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:10 AM

Yes they  are real and they vist the earth


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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:33 AM

All the major religions are full of alien and UFO sightings and close encounters going back thousands of years, but they're called angels, demons, jinn, clouds etc.
Ezekiel's biblical close encounter is a classic, here's an artists reconstruction of what he saw based on his eyewitness account-

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:48 AM

View PostCrikey, on 27 January 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

All the major religions are full of alien and UFO sightings and close encounters going back thousands of years, but they're called angels, demons, jinn, clouds etc.
Ezekiel's biblical close encounter is a classic, here's an artists reconstruction of what he saw based on his eyewitness account-


Erm no they are not. They are full of 'symbolic descriptions' that you can interpret how you like

Edited by seeder, 27 January 2013 - 07:49 AM.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:50 AM

View Posttopsecretresearch, on 27 January 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

The Alan Godfrey case was real X-files type stuff. If memory serves me correctly he was also involved in a murder investigation  where the deceased appeared to killed under unusual circumstances, possibly a UFO.



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Zigmund Adamski's body was discoverd in a coal yard



Alan Godfrey was one of the two officers to inspect the body of the deceased Zigmund Adamski. Adamski's body was found lying on a heap of coal in Tomlin's coal yard in the town of Todmorden at 15:45 on Wednesday June 11, 1980. Godfrey's inspection revealed that the body had been crudely dressed: he was wearing an overcoat and a vest, but no shirt. His jacket was fastened unevenly, the fly of his trousers was unzipped, and his shoes were not tied properly. Godfrey thought that the shoes seemed as though they had been placed on Adamski's feet by someone else.[3] The forensic inspection of the body revealed that he had died of a heart attack, and had been dead for at least 8 hours before the police arrived.[3] There were other unusual circumstances as well: Though Adamski was found at the top of a pile of coal, no scuffs or traces of coal dust were found on his clothing or skin, nor were there any signs on the coal itself to suggest that he had climbed to the top of the pile. Furthermore, strange burn marks were found around the back of his head, and another on the back of his neck that was covered in an unknown gel-like substance. Neither the burn marks nor the substance were ever identified. It was concluded that Adamski had been missing for six days prior to the discovery of his body.[3]Godfrey was tasked with investigating the case (thought to be a homicide), but was not able to ascertain what had happened to Adamski.

The investigation into the death of Adamski was dropped later that year, and a security clampdown forbade officers from speaking to the press.[4] Reflecting on the case in 1993, coroner James Turnbull claimed that the case absolutely mystified him. He also expressed some willingness to believe, along with popular speculation, that a UFO had been involved.[2] The case remains unsolved.

See: http://www.bbc.co.uk...i_mystery.shtml

Also a similar beared alien was reported in another case in Winchester, Hampshire, England. This would have been four years before the Godfrey abduction.

Oh yes, purely coincidence of course but the fact that the unfortunate chap's name was Adamski makes one go " :unsure2: ", doesn't it.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:03 AM

When ancient peoples saw something they couldn't explain, they tried to put it into their everyday language.
For example if we saw this sight below we'd say "It's a spacecraft zapping people with its phaser bank", but the eyewitnesses of the time could only describe it as an "angel" with a "sword" like this-
"And God sent an angel to destroy Jerusalem. But as the angel was doing so, the Lord saw it and was grieved because of the calamity and said to the angel who was destroying the people, "Enough! Withdraw your hand."... David looked up and saw the angel of the Lord standing between heaven and earth, with a drawn sword in his hand extended over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell facedown" (1 Chron 21:15/16)

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:14 AM

alternatively they actually saw the host of Heaven in it's terrible variety of forms.
You know, LIKE THEY SAID (and, incidentally, were TOLD what they were).

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.




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