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[Babe Ruth]

Raptor

Remember, by definition, THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY.  Unless you happen to claim that all this was planned and executed by one person.

The only real question is, "just who were the conspirators?"

Thus, using the word "conspiracy", while accurate, is used more in the Dubya sense, which implies that no conspiracy at all took place.

If that innuendo is all you got, well.....

[bee]

DONTEATUS, on 09 October 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Its like all that Roswell crap again ! LoL That was a great line that an actual ATC guy made,And Did we re-open all the Roswell cases? No ! 9/11/01 was exactly what it was !Lets move on !

but...but....Sky believes in Roswell, or had you forgotten.

correct me if I'm wrong Sky and you've changed your mind.

and I don't want to take the thread off topic with this. But DONTEATUS seems to have forgotton all the mega battles about it on the BE thread

and other Roswell threads...?

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[skyeagle409]

Babe Ruth, on 09 October 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Remember, by definition, THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY.

Considering there is no evidence of a government conspiracy and the fact that 9/11 Truthers have failed to present evidence of a government conspiracy, what more is there to say?

[skyeagle409]

bee, on 09 October 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

but...but....Sky believes in Roswell, or had you forgotten.

correct me if I'm wrong Sky and you've changed your mind.

Nope, I haven't changed my mind.

[RaptorBites]

Babe Ruth, on 09 October 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Raptor

Remember, by definition, THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY.  Unless you happen to claim that all this was planned and executed by one person.

The only real question is, "just who were the conspirators?"

Thus, using the word "conspiracy", while accurate, is used more in the Dubya sense, which implies that no conspiracy at all took place.

If that innuendo is all you got, well.....

So far there has yet been any evidence of a Government Conspiracy in regards to 9/11.

Yes there was a conspiracy, I have not denied that.

Islamic radical terrorist conspired to crash planes at US targets.

[PeacefulAnarchy]

and the Gulf of Tonkin was exactly what the US government stated it was at the time, wake up!

[RaptorBites]

PeacefulAnarchy, on 09 October 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

and the Gulf of Tonkin was exactly what the US government stated it was at the time, wake up!

What does the Gulf of Tonkin have anything to do with 9/11?

Is that your proof that the US Government was lying about 9/11?

What is the point you are trying to make.....

If that is your poor excuse of proof that the government lied about 9/11, then you need to start presenting facts instead of the tired old argument that once a liar always a liar statement.

Want me to give you examples on when the United States Government did not lie?  That will disprove your contention that the government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin, therefore is also lying about 9/11.

You need to wake up.

Edited by RaptorBites, 09 October 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[DONTEATUS]

Video of 9/11 please!

[Jackofalltrades]

RaptorBites, on 09 October 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

As far as reopening the case to allow a independant inquiry, how much would it cost to provide the man power to redeliver all that evidence YET AGAIN?  I really don't mind independant inquiry but not at the cost of tax dollars.

If the CT camp would like to provide the money, then feel free.

And if the CT's are proven wrong, would they also claim the evidence provided to them was altered in any way shape or form?

There is nothing more that I would like than to be able to afford an independent inquiry into 9/11, but I cannot afford such a thing, if I had the money I would of payed for it personally just to get to the whole truth, with unbiased view point's

And the answer is NO I would NOT say the evidence was tampered with or altered in any way shape or form, as long as the inquiry was truly independent

For an independent inquiry to take place there has to be access to ALL evidence, and seeing as a majority of the steelwork from the WTC's has been scrapped or recycled, and some of the document's is classified by congress (as far as I am aware)  then an independent inquiry is out of the question, as some of the evidence needed is missing

[skyeagle409]

Jackofalltrades, on 10 October 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

There is nothing more that I would like than to be able to afford an independent inquiry into 9/11, but I cannot afford such a thing, if I had the money I would of payed for it personally just to get to the whole truth, with unbiased view point's

And the answer is NO I would NOT say the evidence was tampered with or altered in any way shape or form, as long as the inquiry was truly independent.

If you want to do your own individual investigation, start with the operators of American 11, American 77, United 93, and United 175. Afterward, you can check with the FAA, Boeing Aircraft company, and the engine manufacturer whose engines powered the aircraft involved in the 9/11 attacks. They can confirmed that none of those aircraft were modified to fly under remote control in the manner claimed by 9/11 Truthers, and confirm those aircraft were not switched.

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For an independent inquiry to take place there has to be access to ALL evidence, and seeing as a majority of the steelwork from the WTC's has been scrapped or recycled, and some of the document's is classified by congress (as far as I am aware)  then an independent inquiry is out of the question, as some of the evidence needed is missing

I took a photo last Saturday of a steel beam taken from one of the WTC buildings and adding it as an attachment here and I might add that 7 tons of the steel were used in the construction of the USS New York.

You can replay the collapse of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 and in each of those videos, you will not hear sound of bomb explosions nor are bomb explosions evident in those videos, which explains why demolition experts and investigators found no evidence of explosives in the rubble of the WTC buildings and why investigators found no evidence of explosives at the Fresh Kills landfill.

I have said before that 9/11 conspiracist can call for another investigation, but as long as they pay for it.  I cannot see the use of tax dollars for another investigation that is not going to change history. The fact of the matter is, foreign terrorist were responsible for the 9/11 attacks, which had nothing to do with a government conspiracy.

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Jackofalltrades, on 10 October 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

There is nothing more that I would like than to be able to afford an independent inquiry into 9/11, but I cannot afford such a thing, if I had the money I would of payed for it personally just to get to the whole truth, with unbiased view point's

Apperantly with the "millions" of supporters of a Government Conspiracy on 9/11.  I am sure that donating $5 each would assist with the payment.

Jackofalltrades, on 10 October 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

And the answer is NO I would NOT say the evidence was tampered with or altered in any way shape or form, as long as the inquiry was truly independent

It was more of a general question.  as it seems fitting since some of the evidence..."pentagon parking lot video"  have been claimed by a lot of CT's as being tampered with.

Jackofalltrades, on 10 October 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

For an independent inquiry to take place there has to be access to ALL evidence, and seeing as a majority of the steelwork from the WTC's has been scrapped or recycled, and some of the document's is classified by congress (as far as I am aware)  then an independent inquiry is out of the question, as some of the evidence needed is missing

So why are those that still want an independant inquiry to happen?

The evidence presented that supports the Official Narritive is abundant and pretty straight forward.  If there was any reason that you were to find any kind of flaw in the narrative, please let us know.

Simply stating that even an independant inquiry would fail because most of the evidence was destroyed doesn't work anymore.

[MID]

Jackofalltrades, on 08 October 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

"It's long been over, and long been understood."  You got half right, it has long been over, however it has not "long been understood" if it was there would not be such debate's like this, and there would not be people that are questioning the event's of 9/11, and they would definitely not spend as long as some people have on 9/11, if it was "long been understood"...

Debates like this are unusual.  They are spearheaded by people who actually do not know much about that which they speak, are not arguing in a place where they expect they'll be profoundly  challenged.  There are many more of them then there are specialists, engineers, and technicians who wish to engage in nonsense.  That's essentially why , even though specialists have indeed long understood, that discussions like this still occur.

There were in fact debates in the actual investigation.  These are typical, not publically done, and are done by people who do know, among people who know. They generally result in new areas of investigation.   Sometimes people wonder why it takes so long to draw conclusions in cases like this:


It's because professionals are investigating, and are maturely and emotionally executing their tasks.

On forums like this, it is easy to tell charlatans, and people who simply want to argue in support of points there's no support for.
It simply isn't hard to tell that someone's lacking in knowledge or education.  Not often does it take more than a sentence or two to tell.

[MID]

skyeagle409, on 10 October 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

If you want to do your own individual investigation, start with the operators of American 11, American 77, United 93, and United 175. Afterward, you can check with the FAA, Boeing Aircraft company, and the engine manufacturer whose engines powered the aircraft involved in the 9/11 attacks. They can confirmed that none of those aircraft were modified to fly under remote control in the manner claimed by 9/11 Truthers, and confirm those aircraft were not switched.

Sky,
I think it would be significant  to observe the people you mentioned reactions to such questions!

And to consider modifying a passenger aircraft to be able to be remotely flown!
Can you imagine the pilot's association reaction to such an idea?!
Can you imagine a single ATP boarding such an aircraft in any capacity at all???

Of course, it's rather obvious that non-airline-pilot-alien-enemy-combatants flew very simply and killed themselves, as well as their opassenger ciomplements.   I could've trained any adult non-pilot I've ever flown with  to do the simple maneuvers these idiots aboard these planes did.

Nothing about any of the flying on 9-11 was anything but simple (and often sloppy).   No necessity, or evidence of remote control was ever seen, nor was it required.  Even the amazingly sophisticated and impossible "Hani Maneuver" was just a simple 300 degree turn!  "Nice and easy until you see the building out there, then--
Point at it...push them levers forward, keep pointing at the building, and drive right on into it through that big wall!"

I know...for the CT, that's just too much.  Gotta be something else for them!  Reality is too complex to be true!

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You can replay the collapse of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 and in each of those videos, you will not hear sound of bomb explosions nor are bomb explosions evident in those videos, which explains why demolition experts and investigators found no evidence of explosives in the rubble of the WTC buildings and why investigators found no evidence of explosives at the Fresh Kills landfill.

Yep, that too.
It wasn't that hard to figure out, Buddy!

[Coffey]

And


http://en.wikipedia....nistan_Pipeline

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[skyeagle409]

MID, on 10 October 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Sky,
I think it would be significant  to observe the people you mentioned reactions to such questions!

And to consider modifying a passenger aircraft to be able to be remotely flown!
Can you imagine the pilot's association reaction to such an idea?!
Can you imagine a single ATP boarding such an aircraft in any capacity at all???

The 9/11 conspiracist need to understand the things they have been throwing on the table just doesn't happen in the real world. BR thinks that two B-767s with the same flight number and airline logo could be placed at the same airport and not attract attention.  Imagine this senario. A request from United 175 to taxi to the active runway is made to controllers. The controllers respond:

[ United 175, cleared to taxi]

Upon reaching the end of the active runway,United 175 makes a call to the controllers requesting permission to takeoff.

[United 175, cleared for takeoff]     

About 10 minutes after the takeoff ofthe real United 175, another call is made to ground control requesting taxi instructions for United 175. The response from ground controllers will be something like this.

[What the h***?!?!?!?!]


It is very difficult to imagine that 9/11 conspiracist don't see a problem, including the world-famous pilot of all time, BR.

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Of course, it's rather obvious that non-airline-pilot-alien-enemy-combatants flew very simply and killed themselves, as well as their opassenger ciomplements. I could've trained any adult non-pilot I've ever flown with  to do the simple maneuvers these idiots aboard these planes did.

I heard that!

BR seems to think it took the strength of Superman to perform and his remarks have broadcasted to everyone that he has never piloted a real aircraft before.

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Nothing about any of the flying on 9-11 was anything but simple (and often sloppy).   No necessity, or evidence of remote control was ever seen, nor was it required.  Even the amazingly sophisticated and impossible "Hani Maneuver" was just a simple 300 degree turn!  "Nice and easy until you see the building out there, then--
Point at it...push them levers forward, keep pointing at the building, and drive right on into it through that big wall!"

Yepper! And, from the time Hani initiated the turning maneuver, I could have gone to the kitchen and pulled out a snack and bottled water from the refrigerator and head for the living room to turn on the TV and I would still have wait for him to complete his turn.