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#76    IamsSon

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:13 PM

View PostTK0001, on 08 November 2010 - 08:00 PM, said:

Yes. Because he didn't hit him in the head on the second shot, so he took a bit more time and lined up the last shot more precisely and squeezed the trigger.
This is speculation.

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I know you'll say that since no one is on record saying this that "we'll never know", but you have to apply common sense at some point, right? Does anyone take up a rifle and set out to wound the president? Of course not.
Are you sure?  Look, the thing is, the throat wound was not "winging" the President, it may well have been a fatal shot in and of itself.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:21 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 08 November 2010 - 08:13 PM, said:

Are you sure?  Look, the thing is, the throat wound was not "winging" the President, it may well have been a fatal shot in and of itself.

Apparently the shooter wanted to be sure, so he shot again, hitting him in the head and assuring death.

If he intended to "possibly" kill the president, he wouldn't have taken the third shot. This is why I say only one of his three shots hit the target he was aiming at, which is supportive of your claim that hitting a moving target, even one that is moving very slowly away from the shooter, is no easy task even for a marine-qualified marksman with a scoped rifle.


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Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:32 PM

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View PostIamsSon, on 08 November 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

I don't know.  Do you?
Yes. Because he didn't hit him in the head on the second shot, so he took a bit more time and lined up the last shot more precisely and squeezed the trigger.

View PostTK0001, on 08 November 2010 - 08:21 PM, said:

Apparently the shooter wanted to be sure, so he shot again, hitting him in the head and assuring death.


Pure assumptions, no?  :)

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:42 PM

View PostSolarPlexus, on 08 November 2010 - 08:32 PM, said:

Pure assumptions, no? :)

Common sense.


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Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:45 PM

With all due respect TK :) how can you know for sure what went through Oswald's head on that day? Did you even fire a rifle in your lifetime?

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 08:51 PM

Was this him in the crowd, if so just how did he get up to the room and take aim and kill JFK?Attached File  20.gif   54.75K   40 downloads

Or is this another conspiracy in the making?

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Edited by Belial, 08 November 2010 - 08:52 PM.

Where it states "For official use only" - gently rub a white wax candle over the area indicated.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 09:00 PM

LOOOL good find Belial ... where did you dig it up if it's no secret?  :P

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 09:18 PM

View PostSolarPlexus, on 08 November 2010 - 08:45 PM, said:

With all due respect TK :) how can you know for sure what went through Oswald's head on that day? Did you even fire a rifle in your lifetime?

I'll let you read the thread to find out the answer to the latter. As to the former, do you have a point in arguing this, or are you arguing just to argue?


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Posted 08 November 2010 - 09:20 PM

View PostBelial, on 08 November 2010 - 08:51 PM, said:

Was this him in the crowd, if so just how did he get up to the room and take aim and kill JFK?Attachment 20.gif

Or is this another conspiracy in the making?

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Since several witnesses saw Oswald in the TSBD, and nowhere else, I'll say this very pixillated, half-shadowed person is probably someone who sort of resembles Oswald from a distance.


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Posted 08 November 2010 - 09:33 PM

View PostTK0001, on 08 November 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

I'll let you read the thread to find out the answer to the latter. As to the former, do you have a point in arguing this, or are you arguing just to argue?

Well i donno you're the one who's spewing assumptions at every turn... Oswald would do this, Oswald would do that... I mean come on you can't tell for sure what he's thinking or what would he do in certain situations that's all im saying

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 09:39 PM

View PostSolarPlexus, on 08 November 2010 - 09:33 PM, said:

Well i donno you're the one who's spewing assumptions at every turn... Oswald would do this, Oswald would do that...

I suggest you re-read the thread. The only "assumption" I've made is the shooter fired a third time because he did not hit his intended target on the second shot. This is not some huge leap of faith, it's common sense.


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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:06 PM

View PostTK0001, on 08 November 2010 - 08:21 PM, said:

Apparently the shooter wanted to be sure, so he shot again, hitting him in the head and assuring death.

If he intended to "possibly" kill the president, he wouldn't have taken the third shot. This is why I say only one of his three shots hit the target he was aiming at, which is supportive of your claim that hitting a moving target, even one that is moving very slowly away from the shooter, is no easy task even for a marine-qualified marksman with a scoped rifle.
Look, we're getting buried in semantics.  At least two shots hit the President.  A shot that failed to hit the head is still a hit, not a miss, a miss means the target is not hit at all.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:12 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 08 November 2010 - 10:06 PM, said:

Look, we're getting buried in semantics.  

I somehow think thats TK's goal  :lol:

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:48 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 08 November 2010 - 10:06 PM, said:

A shot that failed to hit the head is still a hit, not a miss, a miss means the target is not hit at all.

Sorry, but this just isn't true. That's like saying a shot that hits a tree instead of the paper target is still a hit, because it actually did hit something. The shooter was trying to hit Kennedy's head, and he failed on two of three tries.

I agree this is a side discussion, but I believe these three shots were indicative of a nervous and hurried shooter.


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 12:42 AM

View PostTK0001, on 08 November 2010 - 10:48 PM, said:

Sorry, but this just isn't true. That's like saying a shot that hits a tree instead of the paper target is still a hit, because it actually did hit something. The shooter was trying to hit Kennedy's head, and he failed on two of three tries.

I agree this is a side discussion, but I believe these three shots were indicative of a nervous and hurried shooter.
And I believe they were indicative of the difficulty of hitting a moving target.

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