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#196    Harte

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 18 March 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

I don't think you've read anything I've written.  I didn't claim they depicted machines at all, ever.

Maybe its a reading comprehension thing.

Since you seem to know everything, what do you think the meaning of the Dendera reliefs is?

It's not a matter of what one "thinks," since the entire thing is explained right there on the walls in glyphs.

It is a well-known Horus myth, in this case it was depicted during the Ptolermaic period so it uses Horus' Greek name - Harsomptus. But the myth itself goes much further back into Egypt's past.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:33 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 18 March 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

The hypothesis presented by prometheuslocke suffers the same problems virtually all fringe hypothesis do.

The Author of the hypothesis:
  • Uses misinterpretation (EX: the supposed Dendra light)
  • Utilizes supposed influence by non-existent organizations (EX: The Illuminati)
  • Ignores decades of research into areas such as Egyptian wall carvings, relying instead on personal views
  • Presents the hypothesis as fact when there is no evidence to turn the hypothesis into a theory much less a fact
  • Fails to use critical reasoning when putting together their hypothesis
To further explain #5, I looked and read through part of her website from a link she provided.  On one page there was another link to a page that basically indicated that Orwell's 1984 had come to pass and mind control was being used by all the governments to keep a lid on advanced technology  and keep us unaware of it.

Let us look at just one aspect of society, dictatorships, taking into account what prometheuslocke is inferring and apply some critical reasoning.  If such technology did exist, a dictatorship, owing to it's very nature, would not be suppressing technology but would be going full steam to apply that technology to weaponry and use those weapons to eliminate anyone who opposed them.  Further, dictatorships would apply mind control technology top there own people so there would never be a revolt or uprising.

Since we can see through history that dictatorships have not had an extreme technological advantage over their enemies and that dictatorships have been overthrown, critical reasoning tells us that neither the technology nor the mind control hypothesized by prometheuslocke exists.

Great. First, my contention is that humanity has not had access to this technology until recent times, probably sometime between 1960 and 2000; if you listen to my theory, I think it was put into effect in 1984, and that is why Orwell chose that title.  The common logic that he inverted his year of writing does not make sense, because it was changed three times, from 1980, to 1982, to 1984.  I believe this was done.. for a reason.. to send a message to people that see that it has become a reality.  Perhaps the technology was put in place over that four year period, for use by our government.  It was heavily investigated not only in Nazi Germany, but in postwar Russia, UK, and the US.  The mind control research programs that happened immediately after the war yielded an answer, that much should be obvious -- Sirhan Sirhan, Mark David Chapman, John Hinkley...all show signs of being actual Manchurian Candidates.

Second, when you are discussing mind control technology, you certainly would not be telling the masses about it, and if you were an Orwellian dictator, you would be rolling it out and using it against the population as a whole.  This is exactly what I contend is happening. Honestly, I'm trying to save your freedom here, and you are railing on me for no reason.  

Let's look at the world around us.  The United States is committing crimes internationally, starting wars to steal oil and drugs, supporting international organized crime both domestically and abroad.  At the same time, they are destroying our civil liberties, those guaranteed by the constitution, from the 1st, 2nd, 4th ... all those amendments have been restricted to the point that they are virtually non-existent, or on the way there.  There's a significant number of people that think things like 9/11 and Sandy Hook were false flag attacks.  There's also a significant amount of evidence that the government was complicit, in at least a coverup on 9/11 -- the SEC investigation into trades against AA and UA in the days just prior to the attacks was not only shut down, but all evidence collected was shredded.  They found out who knew, and it made them shut it down... hmm..  where did it get traced back to?  The former director of the CIA heading up Deutsche Bank.  After that... who knows. (http://www.foreignpo...nsider-trading/)

What is happening about it?  People post complaints on Facebook, and protest --- and then wind up getting arrested.

We live in a hidden dictatorship today, and nobody does anything about it.

Maybe they're scared... or maybe they're being mind controlled not to take action.

We've revolted before over less... taxes?  I think it's not fear.

Edited by prometheuslocke, 18 March 2013 - 08:14 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:40 AM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 18 March 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Great. First, my contention is that humanity has not had access to this technology until recent times, probably sometime between 1960 and 2000; if you listen to my theory, I think it was put into effect in 1984, and that is why Orwell chose that title.  The common logic that he inverted his year of writing does not make sense, because it was changed three times, from 1980, to 1982, to 1984.  I believe this was done.. for a reason..

Of course you do. You don't stop to think that a writer plays around with ideas until one sits right. According to you, everything has to have a reason.


View Postprometheuslocke, on 18 March 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Perhaps the technology was put in place over that four year period, for use by our government.  It was heavily investigated not only in Nazi Germany, but in postwar Russia, UK, and the US.

Solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. You don't need mind control for the events of the 20th century to have unfolded.


View Postprometheuslocke, on 18 March 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

The mind control research programs that happened immediately after the war yielded an answer, that much should be obvious -- Sirhan Sirhan, Mark David Chapman, John Hinkley...all show signs of being actual Manchurian Candidates.

You mean like the film. The fictional film.

And again, this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It isn't enough that some people aren't mentally with-it as it were - they have to be controlled by the government. These things - assassinations - happen, it doesn't mean mind control exists.


View Postprometheuslocke, on 18 March 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Second, when you are discussing mind control technology, you certainly would not be telling the masses about it, and if you were an Orwellian dictator, you would be rolling it out and using it against the population as a whole.  This is exactly what I contend is happening. Honestly, I'm trying to save your freedom here, and you are railing on me for no reason.

Nope, you're railed against because you're ideas make no sense and because you completely misuse science. Your posts follow the same pattern from conspiracy theorists we see here all the time, you just fill in the different blanks with different ideas.


View Postprometheuslocke, on 18 March 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Let's look at the world around us.  The United States is committing crimes internationally, starting wars to steal oil and drugs, supporting international organized crime both domestically and abroad.  At the same time, they are destroying our civil liberties, those guaranteed by the constitution, from the 1st, 2nd, 4th ... all those amendments have been restricted to the point that they are virtually non-existent, or on the way there.  There's a significant number of people that think things like 9/11 and Sandy Hook were false flag attacks.  There's also a significant amount of evidence that the government was complicit, in at least a coverup on 9/11 -- the SEC investigation into trades against AA and UA in the days just prior to the attacks was not only shut down, but all evidence collected was shredded.  They found out who knew, and it made them shut it down... hmm..  where did it get traced back to?  The former director of the CIA heading up Deutsche Bank.  After that... who knows. (http://www.foreignpo...nsider-trading/)

What is happening about it?  People post complaints on Facebook, and protest --- and then wind up getting arrested.

We live in a hidden dictatorship today, and nobody does anything about it.

Maybe they're scared... or maybe they're being mind controlled not to take action.

We've revolted before over less... taxes?  I think it's not fear.

A non sequitur. You're taking random things that happen in the world, joining and dots and seeing whatever result you want to.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:45 AM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 07 January 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

There are links to scientific papers, they are probably beyond you, but if you read through them you might get the 'gist of it'.

This one of the most hilarious responses io have ever read.
The OP doesnt know swede, whos one of the most scientifically minded gents out here. scientific meaning he goes quite deep into it.
Pure ill informed statement.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:57 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 19 March 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

This one of the most hilarious responses io have ever read.
The OP doesnt know swede, whos one of the most scientifically minded gents out here. scientific meaning he goes quite deep into it.
Pure ill informed statement.

Very true, mind you if I recall correctly but Swede actually IS a scientist......

Also I would like to point out that the title of the book "Nineteen Eighty-Four" (which is the correct title and not "1984") has actually not been changed three times, from 1980, to 1982, to 1984. That's an unproven theory by Ben Pimlott, which you'll only find specifically in the introduction to the Penguin Books Modern Classics edition of "Nineteen Eighty-Four". Pimlott was a good historian but sometimes a bit controversial with his statements. This happens to be one of them, as far as I know it was never conclusively proven.
However, "The Last Man in Europe" was one of the original titles for the novel, but in a letter dated 22 October 1948 to his publisher Fredric Warburg, Orwell wrote about hesitating between the former and "Nineteen Eighty-Four".

So I can only surmise that the premise is already based on faulty information.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 18 March 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Great. First, my contention is that humanity has not had access to this technology until recent times, probably sometime between 1960 and 2000; if you listen to my theory, I think it was put into effect in 1984, and that is why Orwell chose that title.  The common logic that he inverted his year of writing does not make sense, because it was changed three times, from 1980, to 1982, to 1984.  I believe this was done.. for a reason.. to send a message to people that see that it has become a reality.  Perhaps the technology was put in place over that four year period, for use by our government.  It was heavily investigated not only in Nazi Germany, but in postwar Russia, UK, and the US.  The mind control research programs that happened immediately after the war yielded an answer, that much should be obvious -- Sirhan Sirhan, Mark David Chapman, John Hinkley...all show signs of being actual Manchurian Candidates.

Second, when you are discussing mind control technology, you certainly would not be telling the masses about it, and if you were an Orwellian dictator, you would be rolling it out and using it against the population as a whole.  This is exactly what I contend is happening. Honestly, I'm trying to save your freedom here, and you are railing on me for no reason.

Counting 1984 to the present, there have been 82 revolutions and rebellions in the world.  If mind control existed none of those would have ever occurred

http://en.wikipedia...._and_rebellions

Yes the mind control research of MK-Ultra revealed an answer.  That it didn't work despite subjects being exposed to multiple types of methods over as much as 3 months of time.  The doctor even indicated as much (In a link I previously provided).

I am not railing on you.  In my previous post I showed how your claims are quite like the variety of fringe claims that are out there and the problems there are with those types of claims.  Anyone making those types of claims, whether it be mind control, alien visitation or time travelers making trips to the past with a 386 computer from the 70's should expect a certain amount of debate in the threads they start.  It is on the shoulders of the person making the claims to supply the evidence and those knowledgeable about what is presented as evidence can attempt to point out any errors in what the evidence is presented as if that is an inaccurate presentation (EX: The Dendra Light)

prometheuslocke said:

Let's look at the world around us.  The United States is committing crimes internationally, starting wars to steal oil and drugs, supporting international organized crime both domestically and abroad.  At the same time, they are destroying our civil liberties, those guaranteed by the constitution, from the 1st, 2nd, 4th ... all those amendments have been restricted to the point that they are virtually non-existent, or on the way there.  There's a significant number of people that think things like 9/11 and Sandy Hook were false flag attacks.  There's also a significant amount of evidence that the government was complicit, in at least a coverup on 9/11 -- the SEC investigation into trades against AA and UA in the days just prior to the attacks was not only shut down, but all evidence collected was shredded.  They found out who knew, and it made them shut it down... hmm..  where did it get traced back to?  The former director of the CIA heading up Deutsche Bank.  After that... who knows. (http://www.foreignpo...nsider-trading/)

What is happening about it?  People post complaints on Facebook, and protest --- and then wind up getting arrested.

We live in a hidden dictatorship today, and nobody does anything about it.

Maybe they're scared... or maybe they're being mind controlled not to take action.

We've revolted before over less... taxes?  I think it's not fear.

Yes let's look at the U.S.  Remember that whichever political party is in power wants to stay in power.  Reagan, a Republican was president.  If mind control existed, there would never again have been a Democrat as President and all the Democrats in the Senate, Congress, etc... would have been ousted in future elections.  Further, when you consider how corrupt politicians are (Power Corrupts) we would not be in a Constitutional Monarchy as we have been for over 230 years but in a dictatorship and no one would be complaining about it.

The fact that there are revolts, we do not live in a dictatorship (term limits definitely show we are not in a dictatorship), people can complain and you are actually writing this and weren't mind controlled to keep you from posting more than the original post are all indicators that mind control doesn't exist.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

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Of course you do. You don't stop to think that a writer plays around with ideas until one sits right. According to you, everything has to have a reason.

I never said everything has a reason, you are making things up.  This particular writer and his work, to me, are very prescient.  For that reason, I attribute more external influence to him and his surroundings than other things.

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Solutions to a problem that doesn't exist. You don't need mind control for the events of the 20th century to have unfolded.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine.  I find it unfathomable that the Nazi Party could have had so much public support for their atrocities at a time when they were clearly oppressing a significant percentage of the population, and committing open genocide.  Before you jump on me, I'm talking about an alien influence during that time period.  

If you research, the concentration camps were doing a significant amount of research into mind control, check out Menege and his link to MK-Ultra.  I believe they were doing it for a reason, because at the very top, they knew what kind of help they were getting from Hitler's "dark influence."

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You mean like the film. The fictional film.

And again, this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It isn't enough that some people aren't mentally with-it as it were - they have to be controlled by the government. These things - assassinations - happen, it doesn't mean mind control exists.


You have a bad habit of calling factual things fiction.  Yes, the movie is fiction.  It's title is pervasively used as an adjective to describe products of programs like MK-Ultra and Monarch.

Read about the assassins, their stories.  

Sirhan Sirhan specifically said he was a mind control victim, a product of Monarch.

Mark David Chapman heard voices in his head, and believed he spoke to God, and was tempted by Satan.  He seems to have contracted schizophrenia late in life, something that doesn't make sense biologically.  His description of the actual day of the assassination reeks of mind control.

Hinkley was a family friend of the Bush family.  His brother was set to have dinner with them the day after the attempted assassination.  Bush, if you don't know was the former director of the CIA.  It is my contention that these are "frame jobs" to make it look like the CIA was using technology which they had recently perfected.

The use of religion, to me, is a signature of this alien force.  It is blatant in the case of Chapman.  

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Nope, you're railed against because you're ideas make no sense and because you completely misuse science. Your posts follow the same pattern from conspiracy theorists we see here all the time, you just fill in the different blanks with different ideas.

You, and pretty much everyone else here has no refutation of my claims.  All you do is say "This is wrong."  You have no reason behind your statements, at all.  Non-substantive refutations from laymen will be summarily ignored from here on out.  You see a pattern that does not exist, that is a sign of delusion.

I am specifically trying to show evidence why the "accepted norm" is incorrect.  Refuting that by saying "this is not the accepted norm" is illogical and not worth discussing.

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A non sequitur. You're taking random things that happen in the world, joining and dots and seeing whatever result you want to.

To say that the perception of government run false flag operations cannot be joined with logic is ... ignorant.  I am talking about public perception, my comment is clear.  There are people who believe both events were perpetrated by the USA in order to control popular opinion.

Edited by prometheuslocke, 19 March 2013 - 04:34 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 19 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Counting 1984 to the present, there have been 82 revolutions and rebellions in the world.  If mind control existed none of those would have ever occurred

http://en.wikipedia...._and_rebellions

Yes the mind control research of MK-Ultra revealed an answer.  That it didn't work despite subjects being exposed to multiple types of methods over as much as 3 months of time.  The doctor even indicated as much (In a link I previously provided).
I'm not sure of your logic.  I see it the exact opposite.  If the USA and UK, for instance, had mind control, they could use it to topple any foreign government who opposed them, without starting a war.  The sheer number of revolutions is proof of the exact opposite.

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I am not railing on you.  In my previous post I showed how your claims are quite like the variety of fringe claims that are out there and the problems there are with those types of claims.  Anyone making those types of claims, whether it be mind control, alien visitation or time travelers making trips to the past with a 386 computer from the 70's should expect a certain amount of debate in the threads they start.  It is on the shoulders of the person making the claims to supply the evidence and those knowledgeable about what is presented as evidence can attempt to point out any errors in what the evidence is presented as if that is an inaccurate presentation (EX: The Dendra Light)


My problem is this is not debate.  Simply saying "quantum physics cannot do this" despite the fact that I've shown you actual performed experiments (as opposed to "thought expiraments' which they've been called numerous times, showing nobody read the actual links..) that refute well known theorem's of quantum mechanics.  

Specifically the No-communication theorem, and non-causality have not been proven, and many scientists agree that they could be invalid.

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Yes let's look at the U.S.  Remember that whichever political party is in power wants to stay in power.  Reagan, a Republican was president.  If mind control existed, there would never again have been a Democrat as President and all the Democrats in the Senate, Congress, etc... would have been ousted in future elections.  Further, when you consider how corrupt politicians are (Power Corrupts) we would not be in a Constitutional Monarchy as we have been for over 230 years but in a dictatorship and no one would be complaining about it.

The fact that there are revolts, we do not live in a dictatorship (term limits definitely show we are not in a dictatorship), people can complain and you are actually writing this and weren't mind controlled to keep you from posting more than the original post are all indicators that mind control doesn't exist.

What if democracy were all a facade, used to create the perception of choice and freedom.  What if every Presidential election for the last 30 years, and both parties were really controlled by the same entity.  If you look at domestic and foreign policy from Bush to Obama, you will see that his "change" turned out to be... continuation of the exact same policies.  We are still in Afghanistan.  We are still in Iraq.  We still have the Patriot Act.  Now we also have the NDAA.  We still have Carnivore.  We still have HUGE bank bailouts.

It didn't change, it got worse, and we switched parties.  The party choice is an illusion.

Edited by prometheuslocke, 19 March 2013 - 04:32 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

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The fact that there are revolts, we do not live in a dictatorship (term limits definitely show we are not in a dictatorship), people can complain and you are actually writing this and weren't mind controlled to keep you from posting more than the original post are all indicators that mind control doesn't exist.

I've been fairly consistent in stating that humanity has not had access to this technology until after WW2, I personally believe it was not available until the 70's.  I believe its acquisition was a trojan horse, something given to us in order to cause the population to revolt against the "coming NWO" and instead embrace an alien force which could miraculously save us... from their own technology.

The fact that I can speak does not mean the technology doesn't exist, and it doesn't mean it's not being used on both of us.  It might mean we are victims of different entities.

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Edited by prometheuslocke, 19 March 2013 - 04:20 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:31 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 19 March 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

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I've been fairly consistent in stating that humanity has not had access to this technology until after WW2, I personally believe it was not available until the 70's.  I believe its acquisition was a trojan horse, something given to us in order to cause the population to revolt against the "coming NWO" and instead embrace an alien force which could miraculously save us... from their own technology.


Oh please tell us more about the New World Order and the alien force! You're suddenly beginning to make sense!


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:52 PM

View Postscowl, on 19 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Oh please tell us more about the New World Order and the alien force! You're suddenly beginning to make sense!

I was just about to.  This is my linking of the prophesy of Revelation to our current time.  I'm of the belief we've been in the "End Times" since ... around WW2 (what a surprise).

Here, the fifth Seal: http://unduecoercion...-blind-eye.html,  http://unduecoercion...electronic.html
and here, The first four Seals: http://unduecoercion...revelation.html

If you wanted to see it, you could.

Edited by prometheuslocke, 19 March 2013 - 05:03 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

See people, it all makes perfect sense now! And you all thought promqueenlocke was crazy!


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 19 March 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

My problem is this is not debate.  Simply saying "quantum physics cannot do this" despite the fact that I've shown you actual performed experiments (as opposed to "thought expiraments' which they've been called numerous times, showing nobody read the actual links..) that refute well known theorem's of quantum mechanics.  

I offered to provide you with some of the mathematics that state that this cannot be done with entanglement.  To borrow a phrase from you - "It's all probably over your head."

You have offered no evidence whatsoever that classical information can be transmitted using the FTL quantum state-type of information transfer.  I realize that it might look like you did, but you have to consider what is required at the recieving end - non-observation that results in observation, and at the sending end - forcing a quantum state on a particle.

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Specifically the No-communication theorem, and non-causality have not been proven, and many scientists agree that they could be invalid.
The few people in the field that think this may be possible are thinking about some sort of work-around that utilizes entanglement along with other processes.  This might be possible, but the only thing that can be communicated through entanglement itself is the quantum state.

This is the second time I've asked this (and no answer yet): Why do you insist on QM processes over EM?  Electomagnetics can do everything that you claim entanglement can (but entanglement can't.)  Do you have a specific reason for needing FTL communication in this, or are you merely resisting admitting that the vast amounts of text (and time) you've invested in the entanglement idea was wasted?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:48 PM

View PostHarte, on 19 March 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

I offered to provide you with some of the mathematics that state that this cannot be done with entanglement.  To borrow a phrase from you - "It's all probably over your head."

You have offered no evidence whatsoever that classical information can be transmitted using the FTL quantum state-type of information transfer.  I realize that it might look like you did, but you have to consider what is required at the recieving end - non-observation that results in observation, and at the sending end - forcing a quantum state on a particle.


The few people in the field that think this may be possible are thinking about some sort of work-around that utilizes entanglement along with other processes.  This might be possible, but the only thing that can be communicated through entanglement itself is the quantum state.

This is the second time I've asked this (and no answer yet): Why do you insist on QM processes over EM?  Electomagnetics can do everything that you claim entanglement can (but entanglement can't.)  Do you have a specific reason for needing FTL communication in this, or are you merely resisting admitting that the vast amounts of text (and time) you've invested in the entanglement idea was wasted?

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Popper's Experiment specifically disproves entanglement.   If you are going to link me to a proof that comes to the conclusion that communication is not possible because of a "statistical probability," don't bother.  As far as I know this is the only one that exists.  Meanwhile, probabilities are worthless when dealing with near infinite time to overcome the obstacle.  We do not know everything about the universe, and its more than likely what we do not know will prove that communication is absolutely possible via entanglement.

There is a significant body of mind control victims, for them, electromagnetic shielding is ineffective.  This is my most significant reason for believing it cannot be caused by radio communication.

Edited by prometheuslocke, 19 March 2013 - 05:56 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:57 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 19 March 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

There is a significant body of mind control victims, for them, electromagnetic shielding is ineffective.  This is my most significant reason for believing it cannot be caused by radio communication.

And this is why everyone else believes it's caused by schizophrenia.





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