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[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

To be fair, that isn't the definition of a skeptic there. There are skeptics and then there are cynics, and then there are just some who are rude either way. Unfortunately you get that in all walks of life and the less attention that kind of behaviour is given the better. There are however plenty of skeptics around here who are completely pleasant to converse with.

[Ecto76]

A Gentlemen in another topic couldn't of said it better... when in any chat forum, all you see is text. You cannot hear the tone behind the text. Unless it is just outright a snood remark or comment that has nothing to do with the topic. I think everyone should keep that in mind. When someone has a different "style" of posting a reply, it is the attempt at getting the point across because you cannot hear the tone from their voice.

[Sakari]

Ecto76, on 03 May 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

Thank you Moderator...   

I wonder why we can never stay on topic? Skeptics have to constantly prove us wrong and when they can't they feel the need to make remarks and making fun of people's grammar. This is why it turns into a constant battle. We're entitled to our own opinion and beliefs. People can agree and disagree.

Not all of us are like that, same with the " believer " crowd....

Every group has it's black sheep, let's not label them all into one group.



Anyway, back on topic....

Ecto, have you read the sightings from skeptics?.......No offense, I just notice you use the " they have to experience to believe it " quite a bit.If you read that topic, you will see that may not all ways be the case, plus there are some cool stories there

[nirvana91]

ColoradoParanormal, on 03 May 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

A little research goes a long way my friend. If you'd take the time to look at my bio you'd see that I'm researching in a scientific manor. To prove, disprove is of no importance at this time. We simply are researching and investigating the world of the paranormal including but not limited to; technology used, claims themselves, psychology behind experiences, etc etc. Our one goal at this time is to create a S.O.P. for researching the paranormal that will be accepted by science across the globe and will "weed" out if you will the thousands of amateur investigators. Read my bio for more information.

sounds fair enough and really interesting again i wasnt tryin to start anything and hope what your tryin to do advances the subject

[mattryan209]

Ecto76, on 03 May 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

A Gentlemen in another topic couldn't of said it better... when in any chat forum, all you see is text. You cannot hear the tone behind the text. Unless it is just outright a snood remark or comment that has nothing to do with the topic. I think everyone should keep that in mind. When someone has a different "style" of posting a reply, it is the attempt at getting the point across because you cannot hear the tone from their voice.

Yeah I agree to a point.Even though my comment about excessive exclamation points wasn't snipped, the way I worded it was pretty rude and tactless.I was  trying to be helpful in bluntly pointing out that riddling posts with exclamation points  to get a point across is really uneccessary and,I feel it is as bad as typing a post in all caps.To me it is the same as shouting.  I think the believers on this site need to stop geting so defensive when confronted with skeptics because obviously a skeptic is going to doubt your experiences and the paranormal itself. They wouldn't be a skeptic if they didn't. Some of the skeptics on here are quite rude and insinuate someone is lying or making things up when the believer genuinely believes what they saw is real.Much of the rudeness I beleive is unfortunately  a side effect of the many trolls who have been caught on this site lying in the past for attention.

Now to the point of this topic. I don't know much about Evps,to say one thing or another,though I lean towards the skeptical side. I do appreciate people that are really taking the effort to scientifically investigate whether these devices really produce the phenomenon they claim or are a product of radio interference,paredolia etc. I've already mentioned my opinion about Ghost Adventures being focused strictly on entertainment value,so I don't have much trust in the show bwing factual. Whenever I watch that show its mainy for the laugh factor,

Edited by mattryan209, 04 May 2012 - 01:17 AM.

[harleyblueswoman]

Each of these show have their own ways of investigating. GA does their own filming so there is no contamination and they do like to provoke spirits to get their attention....which I find a little dangerous, especially if the spirit is of a demonic nature!! GA will also take on places that have demonic activity. GH does  differently...they pretty much avoid the demonic....and have seen them provoke a bit but not to the extent of GA. GA started to find proof of spirits to prove to people that they do exist...and they have done that. GH started to help people who were having paranormal in their homes and have since branched out.  I applaud both shows for having the guts to bring this subject out into the main stream and have made considerable strides in showing to the public that there is truth to the paranormal and have made it almost acceptable to the public that is ok to question the paranormal and want to know if ghosts really exist or not. Paranormal State was also a good one but no longer airs...altho some of the people from the show are still actively working in the paranormal.  It is dangerous work....the line between what is ghosts and what is demonic is hard to differentiate from sometimes!!  Ask GA....they have had some horrible experiences and haved toned down their provoking of the demonic!!  They learned that the hard way I am afraid!!  I was simply defending these shows as they are real people with real experiences that they take the time to share with us.   There are several other shows that are just making money....but ya take the bad with the good!!  Having lost lots of loved ones....I still feel there is nothing morbid about celebrating these people's lives even tho they have gone on before us!! After all....you celebrate Christmas and Easter..... what would that be? Is that being morbid?.....but then that would take us to another forum.....

Edited by harleyblueswoman, 07 May 2012 - 06:15 PM.

[Sakari]

harleyblueswoman, on 07 May 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

Each of these show have their own ways of investigating. GA does their own filming so there is no contamination and they do like to provoke spirits to get their attention....which I find a little dangerous, especially if the spirit is of a demonic nature!! GA will also take on places that have demonic activity. GH does  differently...they pretty much avoid the demonic....and have seen them provoke a bit but not to the extent of GA. GA started to find proof of spirits to prove to people that they do exist...and they have done that. GH started to help people who were having paranormal in their homes and have since branched out.  I applaud both shows for having the guts to bring this subject out into the main stream and have made considerable strides in showing to the public that there is truth to the paranormal and have made it almost acceptable to the public that is ok to question the paranormal and want to know if ghosts really exist or not. Paranormal State was also a good one but no longer airs...altho some of the people from the show are still actively working in the paranormal.  It is dangerous work....the line between what is ghosts and what is demonic is hard to differentiate from sometimes!!  Ask GA....they have had some horrible experiences and haved toned down their provoking of the demonic!!  They learned that the hard way I am afraid!!  I was simply defending these shows as they are real people with real experiences that they take the time to share with us.   There are several other shows that are just making money....but ya take the bad with the good!!  Having lost lots of loved ones....I still feel there is nothing morbid about celebrating these people's lives even tho they have gone on before us!! After all....you celebrate Christmas and Easter..... what would that be? Is that being morbid?.....but then that would take us to another forum.....

Harley,

Please start researching " possesion ", " demons ", " EMF " ( I made a great topic on that with a lot of information ), " ghosts ", etc....And I mean not on Paranormal sites and TV shows.Actually do research, see what the history is, and what explanations and answers are.

Just the " EMF " alone is a joke if you only know about that from " paranormal researchers " or TV shows.......Here, let me find the link just for that :


http://www.unexplain...opic=222978&hl=


If you actually read that, and the links, you will see " EMF's " are not so uncommon after all......And the " make some people sick and hallucinate "....What a joke these people are, frauds.



If you start educating yourself on these things and stop using TV shows as your education, I promise, you will have a different opinion.And it is fun doing that also.


I am trying to help you out here, I used to believe all of those " paranormal " shows also......

[Ecto76]

I actually agree with Sakari regarding methodology when it comes to using TV shows work ethics.

Honestly I think many forget the definition of "Paranormal".

Denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding. If it cannot be explained then it is Paranormal.

Edited by Ecto76, 09 May 2012 - 10:09 PM.

[Sakari]

Ecto76, on 09 May 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I actually agree with Sakari regarding methodology when it comes to using TV shows work ethics.

Honestly I think many forget the definition of "Paranormal".

Denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding. If it cannot be explained then it is Paranormal.

I like " Unexplained " myself





edit :  I " liked " your reply though.

Edited by Sakari, 10 May 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[JGirl]

Ecto76, on 09 May 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

I actually agree with Sakari regarding methodology when it comes to using TV shows work ethics.

Honestly I think many forget the definition of "Paranormal".

Denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding. If it cannot be explained then it is Paranormal.

i'd have to disagree that it is automatically paranormal if it's not explained by science. eventually it may be, then where does that leave the whole paranormal issue?
there are things that are truly paranormal, i would agree with that, but i wouldn't be so quick to claim that just because science hasn't found an answer yet that means it falls into the paranormal category.

[Ecto76]

JGirl, on 10 May 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i'd have to disagree that it is automatically paranormal if it's not explained by science. eventually it may be, then where does that leave the whole paranormal issue?
there are things that are truly paranormal, i would agree with that, but i wouldn't be so quick to claim that just because science hasn't found an answer yet that means it falls into the paranormal category.

Didn't I kind of say that? lol... "IF" it cannot be explained by any means then it is labeled Paranormal. I'm not the one who actually thought of this law, rule or whatever you want call it. Scientists did this. If things cannot be explained by any scientific explanation then they rule it Paranormal. The term Paranormal also doesn't always mean it is related to ghosts or spirits. It just simply means there is no explanation yet. There could very well be a natural explanation that Paranormal Investigators are unaware of or even scientists? Honestly... we're all derailing from the actual topic. lol

[Sakari]

JGirl, on 10 May 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

i'd have to disagree that it is automatically paranormal if it's not explained by science. eventually it may be, then where does that leave the whole paranormal issue?
there are things that are truly paranormal, i would agree with that, but i wouldn't be so quick to claim that just because science hasn't found an answer yet that means it falls into the paranormal category.

Ecto76, on 10 May 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Didn't I kind of say that? lol... "IF" it cannot be explained by any means then it is labeled Paranormal. I'm not the one who actually thought of this law, rule or whatever you want call it. Scientists did this. If things cannot be explained by any scientific explanation then they rule it Paranormal. The term Paranormal also doesn't always mean it is related to ghosts or spirits. It just simply means there is no explanation yet. There could very well be a natural explanation that Paranormal Investigators are unaware of or even scientists? Honestly... we're all derailing from the actual topic. lol

Lets just call things that are not explained...


" I don't know "




Ok, back on topic....

[Ecto76]

As much as I like the show...

I'm just having trouble with understanding how they helped this family? It is obvious to me that since Gary Galka builds equipment for them that he's been in the field for sometime. I don't know much about him or his background. Perhaps its wrong of me to make such an assumption but in my honest opinion I think it was a propaganda scheme to boast and promote the equipment used on the show? This episode bothered me a little.

[Zirna]

Ecto76, on 10 May 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

As much as I like the show...

I'm just having trouble with understanding how they helped this family? It is obvious to me that since Gary Galka builds equipment for them that he's been in the field for sometime. I don't know much about him or his background. Perhaps its wrong of me to make such an assumption but in my honest opinion I think it was a propaganda scheme to boast and promote the equipment used on the show? This episode bothered me a little.

In a way they did use the show to promote their equipment and it bothered me as well.  There is a time and place for advertisement and it's certainly not the right time when you are telling about your deceased childs life, even if the equipment was dedicated to them.

[Zirna]

DingoLingo, on 28 April 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

Tell you what Harley.. when someone shows me one of these toys.. and it does what they say it does.. right in front of my eyes.. then I will believe.. it is so easy to edit stuff for a TV show to get the right thing that they want.. so if some paranormal show say's 'These are the bees knees and really work.. go get one' first thing I will do is laugh at the twits that rush out to get one..

GA.. I laugh myself silly when I watch it.. That show is for the seriously gullible..

GH I find a little more interesting.. there is only a couple of times I smile slightly when something interesting happens..

Most haunted from england.. is another in the GA genre..

I have yet to see a paranomal show that make me sit up and take notice..

On a side note.. I did a twilight tour of fremantle prison.. built in 1855.. closed in 1992 .. supposed to be the most haunted building in western australia.. people have seen ghosts.. orbs.. been touched.. taken photos that show orbs.. or spirits.. doors opening and slamming shut..  there have been reports of ghosts for a number of years..

was a good tour.. did I see anything.. nope.. did I feel anything.. nope.. did doors open and slam shut.. yep.. but they were from the tour group behind us.. did I take photos.. quite a few.. was there any orbs or spirits.. guess what.. nope.. there was bugger all..

Guess I must have been there while the ghosts were having a holiday..

Not everyone will have experiences with ghosts.  You could go to a dozen different locations where hundreds of different sightings have taken place and never have an experience.  It's almost like a game of cat and mouse, sometimes the cat never catches the mouse even if it's right infront of it's face.  As for them being on holiday.... even ghosts need a break.

Edited by Zirna, 12 May 2012 - 05:02 PM.