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[archangel_josh]

There has been much debate surrounding this question.

Some say that he was - yet other say he didn't fulfill the critera to be the Biblical antichrist.

What does everyone think?

-Josh

[greggK]

I believe he was the reincarnation of the line starting from Haman in the bible, but we ended that line by hanging Saddam Hussein and killing his sons.  Saddam Hussein was the reincarnation of Hitler.  Now, as for the anti-christ, that's a tough one.  Doesn't the anti-christ command fire to fall from the heavens?  Harry Truman or Albert Einstein could be the anti-christ.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

greggK, on 28 October 2009 - 10:05 PM, said:

I believe he was the reincarnation of the line starting from Haman in the bible, but we ended that line by hanging Saddam Hussein and killing his sons.

I can comprehend the first bit, that all the evil men of the world are reincarnations of each other, but I can't understand how you think we ended that cycle of reincarnation by killing Saddam. Others were killed (Hitler for example killed himself) and no doubt you count someone like Herrod on that list, and he was assassinated by one of his own children IIRC. Caligula was assassinated as well.

[keven3]

The previous person, Greggk, who just posted could be correct as it sounds right. However, I don't believe in reincarnation so even though it sounds right, I don't think so. I don't believe in reincarnation only because when I read the old testament there was a very clear line that says there is no reincarnation. (I do not know that line now but I did read it.)

My opinion is that Hitler was a false prophet channeling pure evil as opposed to light or wisdom. His evil was complete and thus I believe he was initially a narcisistic child who became enraged over various things that happened to him and then he began to justify why violence would be a great way to accomplish his goals which opened him up to demonic possession and then finally to his twisted belief system that consisted of his own personal logic combined with the logic of pure evil.  Saddam must have done something similar.

I am not a biblical scholar but my opinion is that the antichrist has not come yet. However, I have heard people say that there can be many antichrists, starting with NERO, and so on that line of thinking there have been many.

S/he could be in our midsts today. Some think it is Obama. I don't think so, even if he leads to our demise. I think the AntiChrist will appear to be a saviour of sorts, perhaps like Hitler, but we simply won't be able to see s/his evil until it is too late.
It will be interesting to see what the others say.

Keven

Edited by keven3, 28 October 2009 - 10:20 PM.

[Legaia]

No, because there is no such thing.

[keven3]

Legaia, on 28 October 2009 - 10:45 PM, said:

No, because there is no such thing.

Interesting perspective. Why would you say that there is or will be no antichrist?

Also, what do you think Hitler was? A man gone awry, someone demon possessed, or something else?

Keven

[seax]

I don't think Hitler was the anti-christ. Going by biblical prophecy.

seax  

[Legaia]

greggK, on 28 October 2009 - 10:05 PM, said:

I believe he was the reincarnation of the line starting from Haman in the bible, but we ended that line by hanging Saddam Hussein and killing his sons.  Saddam Hussein was the reincarnation of Hitler.  Now, as for the anti-christ, that's a tough one.  Doesn't the anti-christ command fire to fall from the heavens?  Harry Truman or Albert Einstein could be the anti-christ.

Where does that leave people like Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Kim jong-il, Osama bin Laden, ect... This may be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on here..

[Legaia]

keven3, on 28 October 2009 - 10:54 PM, said:

Interesting perspective. Why would you say that there is or will be no antichrist?

Also, what do you think Hitler was? A man gone awry, someone demon possessed, or something else?

Keven

He was a man that rallied a nation that had absolutely nothing to lose. He was a great orator and that was about it. He created a scapegoat in the Jews and others to raise the self-esteem of downtrodden Germany.

[ohio state buckeyes]

archangel_josh, on 28 October 2009 - 09:28 PM, said:

There has been much debate surrounding this question.

Some say that he was - yet other say he didn't fulfill the critera to be the Biblical antichrist.

What does everyone think?

-Josh

Hes was an evil mad man but to the theory of demon possessed makes sense only because the with the antichrist comes in the end of the world.  Not that im sure that will ever happen.

Edited by ohio state buckeyes, 28 October 2009 - 11:13 PM.

[keven3]

Legaia, on 28 October 2009 - 11:06 PM, said:

He was a man that rallied a nation that had absolutely nothing to lose. He was a great orator and that was about it. He created a scapegoat in the Jews and others to raise the self-esteem of downtrodden Germany.

I see.   What you are saying is what is generally known about him minus the spiritual attributes.

Are you saying that there is no spiritual connection between him and what people perceive as "antichrist" type activity?

Keven

[greggK]

Wearer of Hats, on 28 October 2009 - 10:15 PM, said:

I can comprehend the first bit, that all the evil men of the world are reincarnations of each other, but I can't understand how you think we ended that cycle of reincarnation by killing Saddam. Others were killed (Hitler for example killed himself) and no doubt you count someone like Herrod on that list, and he was assassinated by one of his own children IIRC. Caligula was assassinated as well.

Yes, but you bring out something - children.  We not only killed Saddam, but both of his male children.  

Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus or Caligula was an adopted son with none of the blood line.  He was assassinated.  However, the blood line continued with the uncle, Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (Claudius) who succeeded him.  He had a son named Tiberius Claudius Germanicus (Brittanicus)who inherited the throne and was reportedly molested by Nero and then assassinated by him.  Nero or Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus Germanicus was a direct descendant of Augustus and the son of Agrippina the Younger and he committed suicide.  The physical line of the Julio-Claudian dynasty ended there, but the spiritual line did not.  Where the spiritual line went from there is something I have to look into, but I think it went into Germany with Adolph Hitler and Albert Einstein.  Albert Einstein had two sons, Hans and Eduard.  Eduard died in an insane asylum and Hans became a professor at Berkley in California and he had two sons, Bernhard Caesar and Klaus.  Klaus died and Bernhard had four sons, Thomas, Paul, Teddy, and Charles.  
Dr. Thomas Einstein is the director of Anesthesia at the Clavin Center (I think in Los Angeles, CA). He is a graduate of the UCLA School of Medicine, Class of 1980.
Paul Einstein died.
Teddy Einstein also works with Thomas at Calvin Center as a computer consultant.
Charles Einstein died.
The line has calmed down though from ruthless to useful, but I can bring up more.  However, I will stop here.

[danydandan]

keven3, on 28 October 2009 - 10:54 PM, said:

Interesting perspective. Why would you say that there is or will be no antichrist?

Also, what do you think Hitler was? A man gone awry, someone demon possessed, or something else?

Keven

Do you really think hitler was that bad
What about the people who supported him, i mean everyone who did
There as guilty if not more than he was
What do you think of Mao Zendong
This anti-christ thing in nonsence

[Lovelynice]

Stalin's purges killed far more people than Hitler's regime, but there's a problem in that verifying the numbers claimed (and the methods, documentation, stories) is very difficult for both, and the controversy must certainly continue until we get past the black propaganda of WW-2 and the post-war propaganda that has persisted to be used. ALL the claims need proper scientific investigation. Same with every other claims of millions killed, in whatever nation.

You could be looking in entirely the wrong place for the "Anti-Christ", and merely falling for leftover wartime propaganda which are still being used by some parties. The fact that there's censorship and intimidation used against those who question the official Western view of WW-2 to this very day, should tell you that we're being fed lies. Anti-Christ is just being used as a slur, an insult useful for propaganda, so that normal common Christian people can be easily convinced to hate someone else, and willingly participate in wars that no normal sane person would be involved in, all for the rich and powerful whose own children are never risked.

Edited by Lovelynice, 29 October 2009 - 01:51 AM.

[keven3]

danydandan, on 29 October 2009 - 01:07 AM, said:

Do you really think hitler was that bad
What about the people who supported him, i mean everyone who did
There as guilty if not more than he was
What do you think of Mao Zendong
This anti-christ thing in nonsence

I don't know Mao Zedong well, perhaps he moved into demonic possession as well, I don't know for sure. In cases like that, a person may not be possessed but they are at least tapping into an evil source for their line of thinking.  I say that because brutality and torture are not necessary when you are simply trying to get rid of people. What compels a person to ram a hot rod up someone's anus and then kill them? Why not just kill them outright? My thinking is that additional evil is involved, at minimum, one's own personal evil such as bitterness or resentment.

Yes, I really do think Hitler was that bad. I agree that all who supported him are equally as guilty though, even if they were not possessed. The whole scape goat situation is so easy to fall into for leaders and for society. But I do think Hitler went way beyond scapegoat into pure evil.

Scapegoat to me is the start or inception of evil. To say you are bad, if I get rid of you, I will be fine..that is the start. It is the projective mirror that leads one into the next area of carrying out the evil actions.  Carrying out all those murders and plans is where I think possession begins.  

I'll ask you one more time then. If there is no such thing as an antichrist, when there are people who rise up and in the name of bettering a nation, they ruthlessly kill thousands, if not millions of people, including torture, do you think that there is any spiritual involvement or do you think it is simply a human being behaving this way based on their own ideas, morals, concepts, etc? (Is there a spiritual element or is it just part of being human?)

Keven