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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:27 PM

cormac mac airt, on 28 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

The short lines near the corners (barbells) are where your alleged 5 steps should fall. Your first fail.

Oh!!!   Hey, I've admitted I'm stupid so I have an excuse (such as it is).

You are trying to draw in a six step  pyramid.  If your program can do it try defining the center as
480' 1.5" and then put the "barbells" at 81' 3" apart starting at the bottom and you'll see they lie right
on top of most of those lines.

These steps were enormous and they were called the stairway to heaven.  They are Herodotus' "bat-
tlements".  The king ascended these steps to heaven and was not buried under them.

Edited by cladking, 28 February 2013 - 04:33 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:57 PM

cladking, on 28 February 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Oh!!!   Hey, I've admitted I'm stupid so I have an excuse (such as it is).

You are trying to draw in a six step  pyramid.  If your program can do it try defining the center as
480' 1.5" and then put the "barbells" at 81' 3" apart starting at the bottom and you'll see they lie right
on top of most of those lines.

These steps were enormous and they were called the stairway to heaven.  They are Herodotus' "bat-
tlements".  The king ascended these steps to heaven and was not buried under them.

Nope, 5 steps only. And your 81'3" step height vertically is the equivalent of approximately 47 meters diagonally along the corners which is where I took the measurements. The barbells are exactly where your steps should align. And further, for your steps to work they must work ALL THE WAY AROUND. Needless to say that's the second fail.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:51 PM

cormac mac airt, on 28 February 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Nope, 5 steps only. And your 81'3" step height vertically is the equivalent of approximately 47 meters diagonally along the corners which is where I took the measurements. The barbells are exactly where your steps should align. And further, for your steps to work they must work ALL THE WAY AROUND. Needless to say that's the second fail.

Are we really going to be reduced top arguing about how to count to five?

Why not just change it?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 06:00 PM

cladking, on 28 February 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Are we really going to be reduced top arguing about how to count to five?

Why not just change it?

It's not my fault that you don't seem to know that the peak is not a step. You never claimed the pyramid was built in five sections, you specifically claimed it was a five-step pyramid. There is a difference.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:26 PM

cormac mac airt, on 28 February 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

It's not my fault that you don't seem to know that the peak is not a step. You never claimed the pyramid was built in five sections, you specifically claimed it was a five-step pyramid. There is a difference.

I don't know how the pyramid was built or how long it took.  What I know is that they built the
first step and then using that for a platform theybuilt the second step and they did this all the
way to the top lifting the stones one step at a time.  The top step has a perfect ~75' tall pyra-
mid on it which IS the top 75' of the pyramid.  After this was built they filled in and then  clad-
ded the top of the 4th step and proceded in like manner all the way down.  I believe the "neck-
lace stringers" filled in the one course of 22' cladding stones between steps.

But we need data and no one has been collecting data since 1986 when Bui was there.  The
evidence seems really quite dramatic and ramps have been debunked for three years now.  A
ben ben stone is sitting right in the valley temple which would most propbably be proof of every-
thing but we're too afraid to take a simple sample to see.

Time marches on and always tends to just roll over people and institutions (even empires) that
refuse to adapt.  Time simply doesn't wait and I believe Egyptology is nearly out of time.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

cladking, on 28 February 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

I don't know how the pyramid was built or how long it took.  What I know is that they built the
first step and then using that for a platform theybuilt the second step and they did this all the
way to the top
lifting the stones one step at a time.  The top step has a perfect ~75' tall pyra-
mid on it which IS the top 75' of the pyramid.  After this was built they filled in and then  clad-
ded the top of the 4th step and proceded in like manner all the way down.  I believe the "neck-
lace stringers" filled in the one course of 22' cladding stones between steps.

But we need data and no one has been collecting data since 1986 when Bui was there.  The
evidence seems really quite dramatic and ramps have been debunked for three years now.  A
ben ben stone is sitting right in the valley temple which would most propbably be proof of every-
thing but we're too afraid to take a simple sample to see.

Time marches on and always tends to just roll over people and institutions (even empires) that
refuse to adapt.  Time simply doesn't wait and I believe Egyptology is nearly out of time.

Which means that the steps you claim are at 81'3" intervals, vertically, STILL don't correspond to the actual positions of the densitogram changes in order to validate the 5-step claim. But what we DO see is a slow but general increase in elevation in a counter-clockwise direction from the same densitogram. It's not pretty, but it's there.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

cormac mac airt, on 28 February 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Which means that the steps you claim are at 81'3" intervals, vertically, STILL don't correspond to the actual positions of the densitogram changes in order to validate the 5-step claim. But what we DO see is a slow but general increase in elevation in a counter-clockwise direction from the same densitogram. It's not pretty, but it's there.

You've already showed a six step pyramid doesn't work.

Why not prove me wrong and show five steps don't work by the exact same means?  I dare you.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

cladking, on 28 February 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

You've already showed a six step pyramid doesn't work.

Why not prove me wrong and show five steps don't work by the exact same means? I dare you.

Sadly, you've done shown that you don't even know what a 5-step pyramid is. Your 5-step claim with a pyramid topping it IS 6 SECTIONS, vertically.

As to what 5 sections, vertically would look like see here:

My 5 Step Pyramid - Revised to actual 5 levels in total.jpg   42.52K   15 downloads

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Edited by cormac mac airt, 28 February 2013 - 10:31 PM.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:38 PM

cormac mac airt, on 28 February 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Sadly, you've done shown that you don't even know what a 5-step pyramid is. Your 5-step claim with a pyramid topping it IS 6 SECTIONS, vertically.

As to what 5 sections, vertically would look like see here:

tomato/ tomatoe.

You've almost got it now.

The steps are supposed to be equal in size and you have little steps on the
bottom and huge ones on top.  They are exactly at 81' 3" increments. You'll
see they lie right on top of the five step pyramid when it's right.

All those ramps will just evaporate because they aren't there.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:10 AM

cladking, on 28 February 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

tomato/ tomatoe.

You've almost got it now.

The steps are supposed to be equal in size and you have little steps on the
bottom and huge ones on top.  They are exactly at 81' 3" increments. You'll
see they lie right on top of the five step pyramid when it's right.

All those ramps will just evaporate because they aren't there.

5 does not equal 6, not matter how many times you think so.

It's an optical illusion brought on by seeing it from the top and not the base. From the base each of the steps from my last picture is approximately 96 feet in height or 57 meters/187 feet on a diagonal. Again, your fail.

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Edited by cormac mac airt, 01 March 2013 - 12:14 AM.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:19 AM

Please tell me exactly what part of "five equally spaced steps" don't you understand.

I'm not going to draw it for you and if you can't just admit you can't or you're incapable of understanding the concept of either "5" or "=".

I'm not talking about this any further but your inability does not change the fact that it's almost certainly a five step pyramid and others can see it even if you can't.

I'll give you a little clue;  the steps you're to draw in are right where the lines already are.

Edited by cladking, 01 March 2013 - 12:24 AM.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:40 AM

cladking, on 01 March 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Please tell me exactly what part of "five equally spaced steps" don't you understand.

I'm not going to draw it for you and if you can't just admit you can't or you're incapable of understanding the concept of either "5" or "=".

I'm not talking about this any further but your inability does not change the fact that it's almost certainly a five step pyramid and others can see it even if you can't.

I'll give you a little clue;  the steps you're to draw in are right where the lines already are.

I showed you were they were in the first picture. You didn't like it, so pretended it was a 6 step pyramid. I redid it for you with 5 sections vertically, which would make it a 4 step pyramid and you still didn't like it since neither matches what you claim. Now you want to make it up as you go along. I expected that.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:17 AM

I don't know if you're deliberately not following my words or if there's really such a severe
communication problem but I'm going to try one more time anyway.

Look at the bottom of your picture (west side).  You'll see red, then white, then green, then
purple and green again going up from the bottom.  Between the purple and white at the bot-
tom is the very top of the first step.  This step is at about a 72 degree angle rising to this line
(between purple and white).  The top of the second step is the bottom of the green region and
the bottyom of the third step is where it turns to purple.

It's easy to forget that I've been working on this for a long time and that communication is al-
ways poor especially with us because we think so differently.  I apologize for the tone of the
last post.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:45 AM

cladking, on 01 March 2013 - 01:17 AM, said:

I don't know if you're deliberately not following my words or if there's really such a severe
communication problem but I'm going to try one more time anyway.

Look at the bottom of your picture (west side).  You'll see red, then white, then green, then
purple and green again going up from the bottom.  Between the purple and white at the bot-
tom is the very top of the first step.  This step is at about a 72 degree angle rising to this line
(between purple and white).  The top of the second step is the bottom of the green region and
the bottyom of the third step is where it turns to purple.

It's easy to forget that I've been working on this for a long time and that communication is al-
ways poor especially with us because we think so differently.  I apologize for the tone of the
last post.

Try this:

Remember, you're looking at it from the top so just because something looks close doesn't mean it really is that close.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:54 AM

Much better.  The steps still aren't all the same size though.

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