The things most people can't see.

[Caana]

Events and experiance's, however bizarre to anyone else, are certainly real for the individuals who experiance them and should not be discounted. From whatever individual perspective strange and bizarre event's come from, i am sure they are coming from real event's not yet explainable by our various societal viewpoints. As not a one of them is "informed" enough to do so, whatever protest's from the various quarters of knowledge that say "this" is the answer.

The other guests that may have read some of my posted response's to others here, already know that i think i have found a common denominater. Many could be interested or appalled and insulted,but that just reflect's our society's many different viewpoints. The one's who dominate the current social order we live in, i have voiced my opinion about them enough already, to make my point in those other posting's. My posting's will still reflect that opinion, only more diplomaticly. I will not hide truth to appease the sensativity's and beliefs of others.

What interested me in posting this topic was something similier in nature and just as bizarre sounding in another posting. Two brothers claim that they could "see" things.

Incidently, what you are going to read is one of my personal truth's, that convey my opinions and interpitation's in other post's already written. Most people see thing's they can't fit into the framework of the live's they believe to be "normal" and automatic societal response tells them to discount and forget it. Most of us who come to website's like this, are the one's who are not "satisfied" with current societal viewpoints and the way they restrict us, to the one's they do wish us to believe. Here is some of my experiance's.

First, this desciption is only an idea to help you understand what i am attempting to describe in my experiance's. Picture a fish tank that contains transparent fish. How would you be able to see the fish? by viewing the tank, you could detect them from the wake they leave, as they propell themselves through the water with their fins. You would have to observe closely for these water wake's or roils in the water, but you would detect them.

The energy parasite's i am going to describe, are clearer then the air around them, but not by much. All my life i have seen these clearer patch's of air moving around. I even tried to explain them by researching convientional "wisdom" and the various viewpoints of others through the years. I'm not one for infantile "parables" and soon stopped asking the adult's around me. Even the reasons science tried to give when i researched, could not explain the obviously intelligent movement's of these things that i had{ and still am} observed.

As a young boy, i had not as yet been unduly "spoiled" by the limited assertions that they{society} like to hardwire into us as children. So i sat and watched and tracked the movements of the creature's. Then i began to realize that these movements seemed to have intelligent direction. I will explain that further, near the end of this topic posting. The older i grew, the more understanding of what i was seeing grew.

I could see them better when i was inside and what helped was the white gold pinflash's of light that would blink on and off in the middle of the clear patch that was their "mass?"

I have had many occasions to observe these creatures as individuals and interacting with each other. Sometimes when i am outside, there can be many dozens of these creatures covorting around my home and sometimes i can "feel" something, but only when a bigger one of the creatures are around. When that happens, all the smaller one's go to and mingle within the larger one's mass.

When i was older, i bought a vidio camera and tried to see if i could film these things for proof. I found that only my eye's could see them, when i put the vidcam to my eye, they disappered, when i put it down, i could once again see them. My eye's were, respectively, left eye 20/15 right eye 20/18. I still have 20/18 in my right eye and can still see them. My left eye was damaged in an altercation, leaving me with 20/50 in my left eye. Anyway, and this will chill some of you, on sundays as a boy, i was forced to participate in my parents misguided beliefs and rituals, as all children were forced to by chistianity when i was young.

It was at church's, not just the one my family went to, that i noticed quite a few of the parasite's and these had a black pinflash in the center of their mass. I wondered why they were different. I could also see these type much easier then the white gold pinflashers.

They where moving through the air and along the floors, a much bigger gang of them then the one's that seemed to like me. I could track them much easier then the other one's.

One of them i was watching, was cruising along the floor where the pew i was sitting was at.

It brushed my leg where the skin was showing, between my sock and pantleg. It freaked me out because the sensation and pressing feeling where familar to me. I would feel it on my head. When i realized that, i started to look around at the other people there. I noticed that the shamen{priest or minister} and most of his parishiners, had the black pinflash parasite's on their heads.

The one who had tried to get my attention by brushing my leg, brushed it again. I felt a strong revulsion and stepped right on it. The thing then bit me, or something very much like it and it hurt enough that i screamed in pain. My mother told me to be quiet and then asked what was wrong. I did'nt tell her what had really happened, as every time i had tried to talk about the things before, She would lose patience and punish me. I quietly showed her my leg and the thing had bitten me hard enough to draw blood, my mom said how could that happen. What could i say? nothing truthfull, as that would'nt be accepted. So i did'nt say anything and she assumed i had dug myself. That was the end of that.

If people show interest in my experiance's, i would be glad to write other posting's of other event's and observances of these creature's. As i do, you may come to understand the strength of my opinions in other posts. These creatures if applied to known and unknown history's definitly have an agenda. These creatures are directly responsable for the many horror fantasy's committed on humanity by the religious and a direct result as to why no one has much personal privacy these days.

Has anyone else seen these creatures?, i know most can't or else somethings being done so most people can't see them. The gold pinflash parasite's are no better then the black pinflash one's. They are the same specie's, playing the same games. Humanity's destruction is their goal. Whatever your belief's, lets discuss this. Thanks for reading.

[Avius]

Are you trying to describe floaters, that would be the logical doctors name for what you see. I see things all the time like orbs or atoms, i even see smoke and fog all over all the time, do you see these things when you look up in the sky?

[Caana]

Are you trying to describe floaters, that would be the logical doctors name for what you see. I see things all the time like orbs or atoms, i even see smoke and fog all over all the time, do you see these things when you look up in the sky?

Have you ever tried to touch the orb? you'll find that whenever you see them, you somehow end up not touching them and you'll only think of it after it's gone. What

thought's may have been going on in your mind, dureing and after the orb appeared and then disapeared. Were you thinking it was a portal and then the thought just slipped away? along with maybe a heavier fuzzyness in your mind? or maybe missing time, only a few minutes? or seconds?

The human control's for a transport system long forgotten and unused. That's always been my thinking of it. An atom? who can say. The smoke and fog, when you see it, is it alway's in the sky, or do you see it around house's or flowing on walkway's or around other people?

and if on people, how is it configured or concentrated. The color is silvery white and it encompasses their heads usually. The house's and walkway's, the smoke and fog is bright white in color. The smoke and fog that is not white but darker, covers other building's and encases the heads of some like a shadow and the parasite's of each color are numerous around these people.

As far as the sky though? not really. Have you ever stopped to observe for awhile, when you can see the fog and smoke, and if so, what do you notice? I notice that the two colored smoke people avoid each other and don't go into or near, each others building's.

No idea about the floaters your talking about, only the energy parasite's.

Good, thanks for posting, any questions welcome.

[RamboIII]

Events and experiance's, however bizarre to anyone else, are certainly real for the individuals who experiance them and should not be discounted. From whatever individual perspective strange and bizarre event's come from, i am sure they are coming from real event's not yet explainable by our various societal viewpoints. As not a one of them is "informed" enough to do so, whatever protest's from the various quarters of knowledge that say "this" is the answer.

The other guests that may have read some of my posted response's to others here, already know that i think i have found a common denominater. Many could be interested or appalled and insulted,but that just reflect's our society's many different viewpoints. The one's who dominate the current social order we live in, i have voiced my opinion about them enough already, to make my point in those other posting's. My posting's will still reflect that opinion, only more diplomaticly. I will not hide truth to appease the sensativity's and beliefs of others.

What interested me in posting this topic was something similier in nature and just as bizarre sounding in another posting. Two brothers claim that they could "see" things.

Incidently, what you are going to read is one of my personal truth's, that convey my opinions and interpitation's in other post's already written. Most people see thing's they can't fit into the framework of the live's they believe to be "normal" and automatic societal response tells them to discount and forget it. Most of us who come to website's like this, are the one's who are not "satisfied" with current societal viewpoints and the way they restrict us, to the one's they do wish us to believe. Here is some of my experiance's.

First, this desciption is only an idea to help you understand what i am attempting to describe in my experiance's. Picture a fish tank that contains transparent fish. How would you be able to see the fish? by viewing the tank, you could detect them from the wake they leave, as they propell themselves through the water with their fins. You would have to observe closely for these water wake's or roils in the water, but you would detect them.

The energy parasite's i am going to describe, are clearer then the air around them, but not by much. All my life i have seen these clearer patch's of air moving around. I even tried to explain them by researching convientional "wisdom" and the various viewpoints of others through the years. I'm not one for infantile "parables" and soon stopped asking the adult's around me. Even the reasons science tried to give when i researched, could not explain the obviously intelligent movement's of these things that i had{ and still am} observed.

As a young boy, i had not as yet been unduly "spoiled" by the limited assertions that they{society} like to hardwire into us as children. So i sat and watched and tracked the movements of the creature's. Then i began to realize that these movements seemed to have intelligent direction. I will explain that further, near the end of this topic posting. The older i grew, the more understanding of what i was seeing grew.

I could see them better when i was inside and what helped was the white gold pinflash's of light that would blink on and off in the middle of the clear patch that was their "mass?"

I have had many occasions to observe these creatures as individuals and interacting with each other. Sometimes when i am outside, there can be many dozens of these creatures covorting around my home and sometimes i can "feel" something, but only when a bigger one of the creatures are around. When that happens, all the smaller one's go to and mingle within the larger one's mass.

When i was older, i bought a vidio camera and tried to see if i could film these things for proof. I found that only my eye's could see them, when i put the vidcam to my eye, they disappered, when i put it down, i could once again see them. My eye's were, respectively, left eye 20/15 right eye 20/18. I still have 20/18 in my right eye and can still see them. My left eye was damaged in an altercation, leaving me with 20/50 in my left eye. Anyway, and this will chill some of you, on sundays as a boy, i was forced to participate in my parents misguided beliefs and rituals, as all children were forced to by chistianity when i was young.

It was at church's, not just the one my family went to, that i noticed quite a few of the parasite's and these had a black pinflash in the center of their mass. I wondered why they were different. I could also see these type much easier then the white gold pinflashers.

They where moving through the air and along the floors, a much bigger gang of them then the one's that seemed to like me. I could track them much easier then the other one's.

One of them i was watching, was cruising along the floor where the pew i was sitting was at.

It brushed my leg where the skin was showing, between my sock and pantleg. It freaked me out because the sensation and pressing feeling where familar to me. I would feel it on my head. When i realized that, i started to look around at the other people there. I noticed that the shamen{priest or minister} and most of his parishiners, had the black pinflash parasite's on their heads.

The one who had tried to get my attention by brushing my leg, brushed it again. I felt a strong revulsion and stepped right on it. The thing then bit me, or something very much like it and it hurt enough that i screamed in pain. My mother told me to be quiet and then asked what was wrong. I did'nt tell her what had really happened, as every time i had tried to talk about the things before, She would lose patience and punish me. I quietly showed her my leg and the thing had bitten me hard enough to draw blood, my mom said how could that happen. What could i say? nothing truthfull, as that would'nt be accepted. So i did'nt say anything and she assumed i had dug myself. That was the end of that.

If people show interest in my experiance's, i would be glad to write other posting's of other event's and observances of these creature's. As i do, you may come to understand the strength of my opinions in other posts. These creatures if applied to known and unknown history's definitly have an agenda. These creatures are directly responsable for the many horror fantasy's committed on humanity by the religious and a direct result as to why no one has much personal privacy these days.

Has anyone else seen these creatures?, i know most can't or else somethings being done so most people can't see them. The gold pinflash parasite's are no better then the black pinflash one's. They are the same specie's, playing the same games. Humanity's destruction is their goal. Whatever your belief's, lets discuss this. Thanks for reading.

20/15 and 20/18 vision won't give you any special powers. My regular (as in doesn't lie for attention) friend has the same vision and sees nothing different than he should. Sorry to dissapoint you.

Edited June 12, 2006 by RamboIII

[RamboIII]

Are you trying to describe floaters, that would be the logical doctors name for what you see. I see things all the time like orbs or atoms, i even see smoke and fog all over all the time, do you see these things when you look up in the sky?

hahaha those are nothing supernatural (referring to the looking in the sky). Many people see moving orbs in the sky, caused by white blood cells coursing through the eye's retina.

[Avius]

I purposly make the orbs I see, they last a few seconds after moving around, when i look up in the sky i see things shining all over and floating things that have a clear outside and small inside, exactly like an atom, some times i see strings or things that look like bugs on the inside of my eyes, i can focus in the sky and make black smoke apear.

Do you believe you make these things?

[Caana]

20/15 and 20/18 vision won't give you any special powers. My regular (as in doesn't lie for attention) friend has the same vision and sees nothing different than he should. Sorry to dissapoint you.

The fact that my eyesight was good had nothing to do with how i see them, and that does'nt require any special ability's or power's. I put that in because if i had'nt, people like you would be saying, go get your eye's checked. As far as attention goes, I don't need to lie or harrass other people to get it. Chuse, rambeenee.

[Caana]

I purposly make the orbs I see, they last a few seconds after moving around, when i look up in the sky i see things shining all over and floating things that have a clear outside and small inside, exactly like an atom, some times i see strings or things that look like bugs on the inside of my eyes, i can focus in the sky and make black smoke apear.

Do you believe you make these things?

Your saying you purposely make the orbs? How. The things with the clear outside and small inside. What does the inside look like? is it constant or pinflash and if so, what color?

The bugs on the inside of your eye are just that, bugs.

How do you focus and what do you do, to produce the smoke.

As far as making things, lets talk about that after you tell me how you make the orbs.

[durnut]

The things your describing is nothing more then dirt and hair that gets on the surface of the eye. You notice it more when you look up a the sky because it's generally a solid bright color. My vision is 20/15 and i have these, nothing special.

[Caana]

The things your describing is nothing more then dirt and hair that gets on the surface of the eye. You notice it more when you look up a the sky because it's generally a solid bright color. My vision is 20/15 and i have these, nothing special.

I agree as far as it goes, your right. Inside though, where the light is even and the dust low, i see the same things and the same behavior of these creatures, as i do when i'm outside. The vision thing was so rambeenees could'nt tell me to get my eye's checked. To let you know though, i tried an experiment long ago, i washed my eye's to see if the things you mentioned were doing it. They were not.

On dark days and at night and in broad daylight with clean clear eye's. I could spot them and observe them and only a fool looks at the sky unaided during the day anyway. Thank you for thinking i was nuts and for the help you tried to give me because of it.

[boorite]

One thing's for sure: This guy ain't talking about floaters!

I'm listening with rapt attention and want to hear more.

Caana, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that the parasites appear in various ways or show us different things in order to fit themselves into some false frame of reference that would make sense to us, like con men, basically. If so, what are some of their disguises? What are some of the the horror fantasies they've perpetrated? How long have they been doing this?

[durnut]

I could spot them and observe them and only a fool looks at the sky unaided during the day anyway. Thank you for thinking i was nuts and for the help you tried to give me because of it.

First of all, looking at the sky is not foolish. Looking at the sun in general (with or without sunglasses) is just stupid. I never once said I look at the sun, I am very well able to look at the sky (unaided) in the opposite direction of the sun with no problems.

Second of all, I never once said, claimed, implied, mentioned or even thought you were nuts. I just offered my opinion, and it seems you took it very personally. why? Either way it's obvious that your certain that it's not impurities on your eyes. If what you claim is true, then it's a shame you can't get video proof because I would like to see what it is you are seeing.

Edited June 12, 2006 by durnut

[Caana]

First of all, looking at the sky is not foolish. Looking at the sun in general (with or without sunglasses) is just stupid. I never once said I look at the sun, I am very well able to look at the sky (unaided) in the opposite direction of the sun with no problems.

Second of all, I never once said, claimed, implied, mentioned or even thought you were nuts. I just offered my opinion, and it seems you took it very personally. why? Either way it's obvious that your certain that it's not impurities on your eyes. If what you claim is true, then it's a shame you can't get video proof because I would like to see what it is you are seeing.

Yes, i know you can look at the sky as long as it's away from the sun. If i seemed reactive, it was because i wrote that after responding to the rambeenee skeptic. The same reason for the nut's comment.

Yes, i am certain it's not impurities on my eye's. I've tried other methods to reveal them to others, but no one so far can see them and the one's that can, that i've met, work for the parasites, as they are really nasty to me and i can feel the same things i do when the parasites are around. All they have to do is rely on the disbelief system they have fostered, to take care of the like's of me.

They know i can see them. As a boy they would approach me, the human host's and ask if i would like to learn more. The things i know and feel about them are alway's negative. Have you ever been in a situation where an item or location or event will unlease a cascade of memory's that don't fit this place we call the current world and your life in it?

I have limited time left and i chose this site to try and get people to open their eye's in whatever small way's i can. Even if everyone that is only human, wakes up to them tommorrow, all that would do is accelerate the war that the religious have been promised.

Do you think it odd, that all the religious and spiritualist's look forward to the promise of emptyness and that they have been organized to impose their various wills, peacefull or otherwise, on the rest of us? The various public learning programs are all geared to seperate the body,mind and voice of the human being. To reject the very things that make us human beings.

If you could see them, you would either be working for them, or persicuted by them, or dead. If you were a person other humans would support. If you are interested in some of my observations, on some of the things they do to accomplish what they do, it would be welcome, as two heads speculating on motive's, are better then one. Anyway, thanks

[Caana]

One thing's for sure: This guy ain't talking about floaters!

I'm listening with rapt attention and want to hear more.

Caana, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that the parasites appear in various ways or show us different things in order to fit themselves into some false frame of reference that would make sense to us, like con men, basically. If so, what are some of their disguises? What are some of the the horror fantasies they've perpetrated? How long have they been doing this?

The power that they have is difficult to explain, as it is a hodge podge of various ability's stolen from various people's that no longer exist. They are parasitic after all and when they are done accumalating a people's knowledge, as well as playing with them. They destroy them by making the people or peoples destroy themselve's. Usually by some religious horror fantasy that they've already set up. Like the one's here.

I would enjoy a lengthy discourse into the various methods employed by these parasite's, as these creature's have been with us for a very long time indeed. For now though, just what i've discovered to be their basic objective's. I know that they are what some might say transdiminsional. Their objective is to destroy all human and other biological entities.

Back before the parasite's, humanity had achieved many pinnacle's. The prime one being growth, ageing and dying being eliminated. The people then had full use of their brains, which in turn expanded mind and mind allowed us to be transdiminsional ourselve's with our bodie's. The parasite's, even though essentially one being, was able to bud individual parts of itself, which in turn become individuals. The ramification's of that we can talk about later in smaller dose's.

Right now though, i can say that the parasite's ahbore pysical body's, as they have none as we know them. I can't remember who did it, but someone had claimed they had photographed the "soul". I remember a picture of a brain looking thing with 7 tentacle's{seven energy point's in human bodies called shockra} and it looked whitish in color,misty.

As far as the various disguises go, let's have various "what if" situational thing's, based on what you may already know of our world and the various conspiracy stuff we know to be going on, based on different depicted scenario's in parallel with what you consider to be "real". Thank's

[boorite]

I don't think I really got answers to my questions, which are pretty straightforward.

[Caana]

I don't think I really got answers to my questions, which are pretty straightforward.

Their disguises are human beings themselves.

Their purpose is to destroy humanity by makeing humanity destroy ourselves.

With help from them of course.

The religious horror fantasy and the things they have done, both in "history" and those events covered up by the religious themselves, are just part of what they do.

Good enough? thanks for asking. If you have more questions please do ask.

[Shekinah]

Their disguises are human beings themselves.

Their purpose is to destroy humanity by makeing humanity destroy ourselves.

With help from them of course.

The religious horror fantasy and the things they have done, both in "history" and those events covered up by the religious themselves, are just part of what they do.

Good enough? thanks for asking. If you have more questions please do ask.

but in all seriousness..once they "destroy" ALL of humanity and other entities.. what would be left for them to feed on or suck energy from? Wouldn't our total distruction be defeatest?

[RamboIII]

hahaha those are nothing supernatural (referring to the looking in the sky). Many people see moving orbs in the sky, caused by white blood cells coursing through the eye's retina.

wow Rambo, excellent, factual post... too bad everyone overlooked it...

[Caana]

but in all seriousness..once they "destroy" ALL of humanity and other entities.. what would be left for them to feed on or suck energy from? Wouldn't our total distruction be defeatest?

Good question, When i mentioned that in a post topic in ancient man{the post at the top of this catergory were in} and in this one. I think i said that humans are being copied and believe that to be the soul. You, would be dead if you died, but your copy would think it's you. They do feed off of emotions and they get a continuis supply from all the copied humans they have, the operative word being human, or sentient species of another kind. Those being able to generate emotions.

They do not enjoy sensual emotions, and do their best to eliminate them from the originals.

Thats were all the harse religions and spiritualist movements that advocate abstinance come from. The copys are all there, The first public one will come back as what all the religious expect. Anyway, that is why it says all shall be erected to be judged in the christian beliefs.

Most copy's will be subjected to horror after horror to feed the parasites. They love the negative emotions that generates and the fact you are a copy, means they can do it over and over again, forever. an empty thing. Thanks for asking.

[durnut]

Good question, When i mentioned that in a post topic in ancient man{the post at the top of this catergory were in} and in this one. I think i said that humans are being copied and believe that to be the soul. You, would be dead if you died, but your copy would think it's you. They do feed off of emotions and they get a continuis supply from all the copied humans they have, the operative word being human, or sentient species of another kind. Those being able to generate emotions.

They do not enjoy sensual emotions, and do their best to eliminate them from the originals.

Thats were all the harse religions and spiritualist movements that advocate abstinance come from. The copys are all there, The first public one will come back as what all the religious expect. Anyway, that is why it says all shall be erected to be judged in the christian beliefs.

Most copy's will be subjected to horror after horror to feed the parasites. They love the negative emotions that generates and the fact you are a copy, means they can do it over and over again, forever. an empty thing. Thanks for asking.

How old are you? seriously

With some tweeking, your "story" might make a good movie one day, but as for reality, I can't believe that there are copies of people walking around. I can't believe there are these "parasites" that only you and the hosts can see.

Edited June 13, 2006 by durnut

[chaoszerg]

I cant get what your on about unless i can do a little probing into it so i can have a firm ground to stand on to give my opinions and thoughts are there any books you could recommend me to try and find so i can research into it so that i can get a better understanding.

[Caana]

How old are you? seriously

With some tweeking, your "story" might make a good movie one day, but as for reality, I can't believe that there are copies of people walking around. I can't believe there are these "parasites" that only you and the hosts can see.

The copy's are not walking around. yet. They can see the rest of us though. As far as just me and the hosts being able to see them, some of the hosts can see them as i, others are just like you. Can't see a lick. If a movie was ever made of it, i'm sure the "tweaking" would eliminate all the "sensative" issue's and make the religious and spiritualists happy with all the "uplifting" drival they all believe in. the other humans that can see, either don't remember or they are subdued. Thanks

[Caana]

I cant get what your on about unless i can do a little probing into it so i can have a firm ground to stand on to give my opinions and thoughts are there any books you could recommend me to try and find so i can research into it so that i can get a better understanding.

There are no books about this, and any understanding, you will have to formulate yourself.

The spiritualists, if you can get past all their hiearchy, and uplifting crap, in essence being dominated by higher energy beings. Then you may get a glimmer.Thanks

[Shekinah]

everything is relative..once their is a dominant, another will take their place.It is ..in no matter what realm,dimension,world, universe.etc.. a fact. It is called SURVIVE.(no arrow pointed towards L.RonHubbard, and his excalibur book that has neve been published, or MAYBE..)

Why are you so convinced.. they.. not unlike peoples idea of GOD.... are the top of the food chain with reagurd to life energy, and where all of ours will eventually end up?

Edited June 14, 2006 by Shekinah

[Caana]

everything is relative..once their is a dominant, another will take their place.It is ..in no matter what realm,dimension,world, universe.etc.. a fact. It is called SURVIVE.(no arrow pointed towards Ron L Hubbard, and his excalibur book that has neve been published, or MAYBE..)

Why are you so convinced.. they.. not unlike peoples idea of GOD.... are the top of the food chain with reagurd to life energy, and where all of ours will eventually end up?

Excellant, at last, someone who asked one of the right questions.Within the confines of the scenario parameters set, your perceptions actually have a basis. What i know about it, is this.

1) Everything they do is geared for the misery and death that all of us here are used to. By their design. They could care less for the suffering they cause and yet, their masters{controllers} are the master minds of both the religious and spiritualist beliefs. Those beliefs in no way resemble what the copys,made of them when they die, will experiance.The various sub-scenarios are geared for even more suffering, with the copy playing various "roles" and situation's. All within that string of sub-scenario's.

2) My main beef with this scenario and others like it, is that the copys have no chioce.

Whatever the perception of being you are comfortable with and it's viewpoints. The idea of something being able to torture you, over and over again, and breaking you each and every time, is the most digusting and destructive process anyone could ever think of, let alone implement on an entire people. Our world view is also based on that kind of system, whatever names and disguises and gentleness of process they use, or not.

The only difference being that humans{if in control}, however sick, would put their victims out of their collective misery's at some point.

3) Your perception that intimated in what you wrote, "There is more then that" thats how i read it anyway, is true as well. There are other lines of scenario's and the sub-scenario's that go with them, that also reflect that line of reasoning. I write about the things i see here mostly,but i also see and remember other scenario's that reflect my reasoning on this, an issue that is real to me.

Anyway, thank you for asking and if you want, i'd like to dialog some more on this with you. Your thoughts on things of that nature are welcome.