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What existed before the big bang theory or before the universe came to being? What are your guys' views?

With our current understanding of physics we can't know. Some physicists say we will never know. My personal view is it doesn't matter. Everything we can experience started there so speculation on it will never prove fruitful.

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This is such a horrible question to ask, not meaning to sound insulting, just the way our minds work. Humans see things in measurements so to speak, so we think there must be a beginning to the universe and in turn there will somehow be an end. So if we can get past this way of thought we could theorize that the universe just is, was and always will be. We always need answers for questions like these because we need to measure everything, but this is exactly the train of thought that makes these questions impossible to answer.

My own view on the subject is that, as I said, it just was, it is and always will be.

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What existed before the big bang theory or before the universe came to being? What are your guys' views?

It is just so mind boggling! I don't know it just seems pretty insane. Why did the universe begin? Was there a reason why it began? Why are we here? Is life meaningless? Is there a God? All these questions can never be answered, and yet I can't stop thinking about them.

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Well you're not alone, Moe.

I wonder about those things too.

But does wondering help at all? It won't get me anywhere, it just leaves me frustrated. And I think even if we knew why the Universe was created would it change anything? There will still be more unanswerable questions we'll come up with :)

People who don't ponder the fundamental questions of life and beyond are very lucky. Those of us who do are burdened by silence.

I honestly don't think I want to know why the Universe was created, or how it was. What if we did have the answers? What if they were something completely different from what we expected or hoped?

That would haunt me for the rest of my life. I prefer to ponder, to be filled with doubts, but faith too. I don't need hardcore scientific answers. My imagination will fill the gaps in my knowledge willingly.

It's our nature to question things of course.

Why give us answers when we can spend our whole lives finding meaning?

Btw, I think questions of God and meaning can only be answered through experience. I found the meaning in my life- and I found God. But I can't explain my own answers to anyone else- because they haven't had my same experience.

Does this make any sense? lol

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At some point the Universe was initiated from nothing. If you can imagine an infinte void with nothing in it, it helps. Then matter appeared and exploded into the Universe we know (Big Bang). I believe this may have been the concious thought of "God", "Let there be light". They say everything was created in 6 days but those would be God days which may each be a Billion years for us. I believe there is a greater force out there be it God or something else, it is the only logical way with my limited mind that I can explain creation. It is also possible that there could be other universes doing the same thing so far away that we cant see them yet. There also could have been other Big Bangs, the universes they created collapsed and then went bang again. You will probably find there is a Universal critical mass where enough of the Universe is brought together in a super black hole type object, it becomes unstable and explodes. I would guess that eventualy the Universe will lose enough mass that it will no longer go Bang and rebirth itself but it may pull other Universes towards it and eventualy rebirth itself as nothing is ever lost as all things just change state.

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yeah this one wrecks my head a lot..

what is the universe. it was there before the earth, it exists but how long we dont know, where does it end, it has alwys been there, it always existed, does it have a purpose. its mind boggling.

Great question. total mind bender. aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. my head hurts

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Peace of mind, rest from any experience..., before god inhales again. :)

One god's breath lasts one universe's lifetime...

How many universes there are? Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. ;)

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I agree I don't think there was a "before", nor is there an "after". There was never a "time" when "God" and/or existance was not. God, existance and time are all synonymous, or at least that's the closest we can come to understanding how they are related. There was no creation - thats just a simplified human conceit to assume everything works and behaves on our level of understanding.

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If you believe in the Big Bang, this would be the explanation as according to that.

There was nothing. Then there was a big explosion, there there was everything.

That's the big bang in a nutshell. (I personally think it's absurd, as it doesn't follow the idea of causality: cause and effect, but we'll use the Big Bang for sake of argument)

So, there was nothing before the Big Bang, because time hadn't even been created yet. So, 'what was there before time?' is an empty question. It's sort of like asking "Where were you in the 12th century?" It just doesn't mean anything. The answer would be "No where.", just like the answer to your question is "Nothing."

Of course, you could always go with the idea that piratejackdavamp stated. The idea is that the Universe has always been. No matter how far back you go, you can always go farther.

Trippy, huh?

As human beings, we can sort of imagine something having no end. But to say there's no beginning to something... well... we just can't get our minds wrapped around that.

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I like the idea that time, energy, and matter are related.

If so it implies a very scary age to the universe since originally there was nothing but time and it would have taken an exceedingly long time to coalesce into even a tiny amount of matter.

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I guarantee this'll make you almost faint, I almost did. Just sit and relax. Now imagine that you are living your full and quickly imagine where you'll be if nothing, NOTHING Existed. It feels weird, kinda makes you thankful that there are the 120 elements that there are. The universe is the only thing considered unlimited. there could be multiple verses with different time speeds. Draw a circle, label it 2007 or something. Suppose you wanted to go back in time and you did. draw another circle and label it the year you want, I chose 1940. You got two circles now. Because your there and you can talk to people about technological advances, and suppose you let them know everything. Now you want to go back to 2007. Draw another circle labeled 2007. What happened? You created another time frame. Draw a circle around the old 2007 and 1940. They are in their own loop. You are in the new 2007 and are in a new frame. Go back to 2000. You will end up in the new frame still, and the towers would not have collapsed. Once you alter written time, you now create another time frame and you can not go back to the old. If for some reason both 2007s can exist in the time frame, I don't know what or how this could happen. Think of it like a computer. you can't write the same file name twice unless you rename it or delete the previous one. But what if, I think everything would be destroyed. If one 2007 was lifeless and the old 2007 was full of life, what would happen? ahhh, you figure it out. reply, I'm willing to hear your opinions. Oh, that guy who went to 1940 killed everyone with 1000 megaton nuclear warheads. nothing survived.

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What existed before the big bang theory or before the universe came to being? What are your guys' views?

I beleive another universe existed likely at some point in time before ours did. The mega verse is infinate multiple big bangs create multiple universes and as they die off new ones are born. This is all theoretical of course but i beleive this process to transcend time, basically this is how it has always been and how it always will be. However many find this concept hard to grasp as they cannot comprehend infinite ammounts of universes and a never ending cycle that destroys and creates them.

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Hmm. mind biggling as it may be thought is focused on measurments. No beggings is impossible for a human being to create. No end comes everyday. though a line chart without a bigenning or an end. can you see it? of course you can't because it is non existant. nothing came before Nothing before now. it just came to be. Maybe theres a mega verse that has been here for the forever that had no begginning it will be here for no end- this mega verse causing Big bang's to occur to bring new life and destroy the old. Aliens yet another thing to come to mind. maybe there is a race that can tell us all from the "Begginning" though there never was.... THERE IS NO ANSWER AND EXPLAINING IT HURTS MY HEAD..... :wacko:

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I guarantee this'll make you almost faint, I almost did. Just sit and relax. Now imagine that you are living your full and quickly imagine where you'll be if nothing, NOTHING Existed. It feels weird, kinda makes you thankful that there are the 120 elements that there are. The universe is the only thing considered unlimited. there could be multiple verses with different time speeds. Draw a circle, label it 2007 or something. Suppose you wanted to go back in time and you did. draw another circle and label it the year you want, I chose 1940. You got two circles now. Because your there and you can talk to people about technological advances, and suppose you let them know everything. Now you want to go back to 2007. Draw another circle labeled 2007. What happened? You created another time frame. Draw a circle around the old 2007 and 1940. They are in their own loop. You are in the new 2007 and are in a new frame. Go back to 2000. You will end up in the new frame still, and the towers would not have collapsed. Once you alter written time, you now create another time frame and you can not go back to the old. If for some reason both 2007s can exist in the time frame, I don't know what or how this could happen. Think of it like a computer. you can't write the same file name twice unless you rename it or delete the previous one. But what if, I think everything would be destroyed. If one 2007 was lifeless and the old 2007 was full of life, what would happen? ahhh, you figure it out. reply, I'm willing to hear your opinions. Oh, that guy who went to 1940 killed everyone with 1000 megaton nuclear warheads. nothing survived.

.......................ummmmmm wat? i didnt come close to fainting it was a hypothetical question

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This is such a horrible question to ask, not meaning to sound insulting, just the way our minds work. Humans see things in measurements so to speak, so we think there must be a beginning to the universe and in turn there will somehow be an end. So if we can get past this way of thought we could theorize that the universe just is, was and always will be. We always need answers for questions like these because we need to measure everything, but this is exactly the train of thought that makes these questions impossible to answer.

My own view on the subject is that, as I said, it just was, it is and always will be.

Yes but doesnt everything have a begining and an end? Everything in our life, from our birth our death is all a measurment. You cant blame(not saying you are) our minds for being hard wired like that, cause thats the way everything is for us.

Of course we need an answer to question like this. How are we here!!!! How many billions and billions of events have to have occured in the 16 billion years our universe has been intact for me to think of what to type next for you to read. And why, why our we here? (Based on your different religion you might have a differnent answer) But even if you are religious what is the point of a god to create us? You can go on forever with this i think you get my point.

I dont think we will ever know, and if i think we did know we wouldnt understand it.

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Well, our solor-system and universe are showing signs of winding down. There will eventually be an end to this universe, so there must have been a begining. I don't think it was the big bang, there are too many holes in that theory. I think that the universe itself is intelligent. It created itself. Before this universe was another one. Probably nothing like this one. It receates itself over and over. There doen't have to ba a beginning to universal existance. Just a beginning to us. If we lived forever, really lived forever, time would be irrelevent to us. Nothing time related would matter to us because we literally had forever to do anything. But I think that if we lived forever we would have to have always been. That is a paradox I am still working on. That goes into the immortal soul, reincarnation, and the absence of a soul.

But what was there before this universe? I think it was another universe. And so on and so on.

I think that time only exists among us in our universe, with out this universe there is no time, with out time "forever" becomes nothing. That is how there has always been something.

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Not to be pessimistic but, the whole topic is Rhetorical. Although, I understand and wonder the same things. Answers for the questions can't and will never be solved. End of story. Use your mind for understanding the understandable.

Mc

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the big bang? who created that name? sounds like a friggen cheap porn title....

anyways..if that's how the universe was created where did the materials come from? i personally believe that the universe and it's edges are bounded by the material it contains.. wherever matter reaches and spreads, reality exists and univer exists... now how did the big bang begin? i have another theory...just my own. that we are the result of an implosion of a gigantic black hole that punched itself thru and made a new universe on a separate dimension from it's parent universe.. that with all the matter sucked into the black hole and energy, and that the gravity was so great in the center it had nowhere to go but rip a hole in the fabric of space/time and BAM..explode on the other side..thus the big bang...so that explains why the universe is still expanding and not slowing down... actually speeding up... because more stuff is still coming thru the hole and it's pushing everything out from the center.....

now if you ask me where that parent universe come from..im just gonna have to karate chop you..cus i have no answer to that. hahah..

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I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer this question. I'm not even sure if you can point to a time and say "That's where everything started" simply because there must have always been something there. Nothing is only a philosophical concept and it cannot, by its very nature, ever exist.

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............Mabey there is nothing..........was and is nothing.............im confused.................anyone have an asprin??? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

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This is such a horrible question to ask, not meaning to sound insulting, just the way our minds work. Humans see things in measurements so to speak, so we think there must be a beginning to the universe and in turn there will somehow be an end. So if we can get past this way of thought we could theorize that the universe just is, was and always will be. We always need answers for questions like these because we need to measure everything, but this is exactly the train of thought that makes these questions impossible to answer.

My own view on the subject is that, as I said, it just was, it is and always will be.

Regardless of what theory we have, we can't know for sure. Something like this, in my opinion, is beyond the reach of the human mind. The universe is extremely complex, and what we now know is like a drop in the ocean of knowledge.

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Before the Universe and the big bang? Maybe it was another universe that collapsed in on itself, a Big Crunch, and then exploded into our one.

Maybe the universe was born in a see of never ending universes bursting into existence for infinity. The farther you go back, there is always further to go. Infinity can be proven mathematically, so maybe its just the same idea???

Then again, there may be no need for the notion of infinity here, as time doesn't exist maybe. Perhaps it is just a frame of reference we have created to relate events????

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