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Posted 06 February 2011 - 06:10 AM

View PostHarte, on 06 February 2011 - 04:13 AM, said:

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You realize, I hope, that the "Lost Book of Enki" is a work of fiction?

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Come on, Harte, how could you possibly know that?

Oh, yeah. I guess it's pretty obvious, given the author. :rolleyes:

LOL Memoirs and Prophecies of an Extraterrestrial God. Sounds like a really cheesy special for the Biography Channel.

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 05:38 PM

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But even so that would be my theory on why our life span is as long as it is if you choose to follow that idea.

I think you misunderstood what I replied, so here is the little snippet that varifies.

Harte, it is all in what you believe, I happen to have many different outlooks on life but I am still trying to figure this one out. I do notice many similarities between the bible, and the lost table of Enki. This leads me to believe that there is an original story somewhere, either the Sumerian text or something before it. I am also not reading the Lost Books of Enki I am reading the Lost Tablets, these are pretty much the base story, there isn't any opinion or discussion on whats going on. It is also very poorly translated. I do however wonder how the ancient cultures knew so much about our solar system. Something that really perplexes me is when Alalu first lands on Earth it discusses him using a pole like device to test the air and water to see if it was poisonous. How would an Ancient culture know you needed to test the foundations of life before (air, water, food) before consumption?

And on another note, people believe the bible (no offense to those who do) I rest my case :)

Edited by Amoebaa, 06 February 2011 - 05:56 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2011 - 05:53 PM

Sorry I am new and I accidentally quoted myself and I don't know how to delete this reply  :blush:

Edited by Amoebaa, 06 February 2011 - 05:58 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2011 - 08:57 PM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 27 January 2011 - 12:27 AM, said:

Greetings, megabyte, and welcome to UM. :)

I echo the sentiments of others who have commented and must stress the fact that human lifespans are hardly static. In the Bronze Age, when the Sumerians, Akkadians, Egyptians, and others were honing the their creation myths, the average lifespan was approximately 35 years. Approximately thirty percent of all children died before their fifth year of life; 20% of all pregnancies ended in spontaneous miscarriage.

Today, on the other hand, the average lifespan (in the West, at least) is around 76 years. Further, the average human is significantly taller than his ancestor of some 3,000 years ago. Whereas most Westerners get married in their twenties and have children in their twenties or early thirties, in the Bronze Age a bride could be as young as twelve or thirteen years of age and her husband only a few years older. When you were eighteen years old and "middle-aged," you started a family by what we modern folks would consider to be extremely young--still kids, really.

A multiplicity of factors determine lifespan, and it's all well understood through scientific principles. Aliens are not needed. The most obvious factors are good nutrition and modern medicine. The absence of something so basic as vaccinations is one main reason the infant mortality rate in the ancient world was so universally high. And something many people don't realize is that one of the greatest inventions in all of human history was the capability to produce clean, safe drinking water; that alone lengthened average lifespans.

When trying to tackle these subjects in the course of one's studies, the critical factor is the quality of sources to which one turns. While there is an abundance of high-quality and reliable research material that is available to everyone, I cannot agree enough with something TheSearcher mentioned in the second post of this discussion: sources like Ancient Aliens are not to be trusted. I've seen numerous episodes of this program, myself. TheSearcher said that when you watch this program, you must take it's information with "a big bag of salt." I might extend this analogy and suggest there is not a bag of salt in this world that's large enough. The information dispensed on Ancient Aliens is so lacking in substance and scientific evaluation that, in my opinion, it has no research value whatsoever. In other words, you won't learn a single thing that's pertinent to real-world historical facts.

Finally, on the subject of aliens, I am not the least shy about stating my own opinion. I am absolutely certain that aliens had nothing whatsoever to do with the developments of ancient cultures around the world. Indeed, these ancient societies did not need the assistance of aliens. This is the sort of thing of which TV shows like Ancient Aliens are so unforgivably guilty: at the same time that they dispense oodles of intellectual flotsam, they rob ancient societies of the great things ancient peoples achieved. Give credit where credit is due. ;)

Kmt- uses the argument that Good nutrition and modern medicine explain the reason why people today live longer than people… say in the 1800( or B.C.Eß---)

I would ask: What is more nutritional, modern foods full to overflow with synthetic substances and “additives” or a fresh piece of cooked meat with some pure olive oil and newly threshed wheat flower bread. For desert a freshly picked piece of fruit that has not been touched by another human hand, nor processed, packaged and shipped thousands of miles? Rhetorical.

This argument of supposed “good nutrition” seems to be less than scientific in my opinion.

As for the idea that medical “factors” explain the seeming “uplift” of human age I would ask. How does this explain the scientific reason why those before the deluge eclipsed mans average modern life expectancy. ( Ancient preflood= 969 years / Modern post flood= “76”). In order for a scientific postulate to be acceptable it must answer questions related to both sides. Your scientific proposal therefore is lopsided. While it may “explain” 9 verses truly define) the one it fails to do so with regard to the other. Or: Perhaps the medicine before the flood was much more superior to modern medicine. To say this would be to accept things about the pre flood world that would make many so called “opinionists’ shift in their seat .

Perhaps the “fly and alien” scenario may just be relevant. Or perhaps: Humans fail to acknowledge that there are superior entities with superior capabilities of purpose and design…or the relegation of such. If this were the case perhaps humans make entropic choices to relegate their relativity and dependency on these extra earthly entities. Perhaps these entities are not initiating “a fly” or disease, rather responding to humans bringing these things upon themselves. Aliens acting proportionate to the actions of humans. Aliens as capable in the long run of NOT creating the “fly” rather ultimately disposing of the fly.

As for the “clean safe water”…proposal. The poster seems to say that “clean safe water” is an invention of man. NO! Clean safe water ( necessary for all life forms on the earth.) predates modern “aqua-technology” by millions if not billions of years. Again we may see the recurrent theme: Why is such clean safe water so hard to find “nowadays”? Could this have something to do with the entropic choice of humans. So I ask the poster: When was water invented and by whom? Who was the great inventor of water? When? Why?


What are “critical factor(s)” one must acknowledge and understand in order to “tackle” these questions? Where is the “abundance of high quality and reliable research” that is available to answer these questions?

I would say that the aliens would say of modern as well ancient human civilizations: “Ancient and modern humans are not to be trusted.” As well due the lies, deceptions, crimes, murders, pollutions( water?), slanders etch of humans the aliens would talk amongst themselves and agree unanimously: “ anything and everything humans say and do must be taken or “given to” a big bag of salt ( Sodom and Gomorrah anyone…lots wife)

There is not a bag of salt big enough to ..squelch the real historic facts that the fly= the human disposition? We shall see.



New proposal:

Before the flood the bible speaks of  a “canopy” or “expanse” if you will that enveloped the earth before the flood. This ‘canopy” was said to be emptied upon the earth during the flood.

Question: If one is laying down on a hot beach underneath an umbrella or tent..his experiences will be different than if one is laying on the hot beach with no protection from the “elements”

1)Long life before the flood= protective “atmospheric shade” from harmful UV( harmfull radiation). As well when this canopy ( heavenly ocean= Hebrew word “mabbul” for the word “deluge) was removed cosmic radiation genetically harmfull to man increased; introduced into the realm of the sphere earth.

2) Short life after the flood with no significant improvement to this day= removal of protections.

Both 1 and 2 were relative to divine responses to human choices.

Is it possible for this canopy to be replaced? Scientific and historical facts ( as well engineering, human technology and ingenuity) indicate irrefutably the following:

If it is replaced man cannot do it himself. He needs help. Why? Because man as he is “basking in the hot sun of his decisions” is inferior to the “aliens” who possess the ability to both “ put up the canopy” as well experience the delight from living under the canopy. They can “give to or take away” but  always relative to human choices.


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Posted 06 February 2011 - 11:52 PM

View PostAmoebaa, on 06 February 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

I think you misunderstood what I replied, so here is the little snippet that varifies.

Harte, it is all in what you believe, I happen to have many different outlooks on life but I am still trying to figure this one out. I do notice many similarities between the bible, and the lost table of Enki. This leads me to believe that there is an original story somewhere, either the Sumerian text or something before it. I am also not reading the Lost Books of Enki I am reading the Lost Tablets, these are pretty much the base story, there isn't any opinion or discussion on whats going on. It is also very poorly translated. I do however wonder how the ancient cultures knew so much about our solar system. Something that really perplexes me is when Alalu first lands on Earth it discusses him using a pole like device to test the air and water to see if it was poisonous. How would an Ancient culture know you needed to test the foundations of life before (air, water, food) before consumption?

And on another note, people believe the bible (no offense to those who do) I rest my case :)
The Bible, at least, exists.

The Lost Book of Enki is a fanciful "biography" of Enki based on the misrepresentations of Zecharia Sitchin.

He makes no claim to have translated any tablets in having made up his tale.

There is no book called the "Lost Tablets" of Enki or anyone else.  I take that to mean that you're reading the lost tablets themselves.

Tell me, then.  If these tablets were "lost," how do we know about them at all?  And where did you "find" them?

If you're reading the lost tablets, you'd better turn them over to a museum or some such authority.  In some places, keeping antiquities like that is illegal.

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View Postphysicsolved, on 06 February 2011 - 08:57 PM, said:

Kmt- uses the argument that Good nutrition and modern medicine explain the reason why people today live longer than people… say in the 1800( or B.C.Eß---)

I would ask: What is more nutritional, modern foods full to overflow with synthetic substances and "additives" or a fresh piece of cooked meat with some pure olive oil and newly threshed wheat flower bread. For desert a freshly picked piece of fruit that has not been touched by another human hand, nor processed, packaged and shipped thousands of miles? Rhetorical.

This argument of supposed "good nutrition" seems to be less than scientific in my opinion.

As for the idea that medical "factors" explain the seeming "uplift" of human age I would ask. How does this explain the scientific reason why those before the deluge eclipsed mans average modern life expectancy. ( Ancient preflood= 969 years / Modern post flood= "76"). In order for a scientific postulate to be acceptable it must answer questions related to both sides. Your scientific proposal therefore is lopsided. While it may "explain" 9 verses truly define) the one it fails to do so with regard to the other. Or: Perhaps the medicine before the flood was much more superior to modern medicine. To say this would be to accept things about the pre flood world that would make many so called "opinionists' shift in their seat .

Perhaps the "fly and alien" scenario may just be relevant. Or perhaps: Humans fail to acknowledge that there are superior entities with superior capabilities of purpose and design…or the relegation of such. If this were the case perhaps humans make entropic choices to relegate their relativity and dependency on these extra earthly entities. Perhaps these entities are not initiating "a fly" or disease, rather responding to humans bringing these things upon themselves. Aliens acting proportionate to the actions of humans. Aliens as capable in the long run of NOT creating the "fly" rather ultimately disposing of the fly.

As for the "clean safe water"…proposal. The poster seems to say that "clean safe water" is an invention of man. NO! Clean safe water ( necessary for all life forms on the earth.) predates modern "aqua-technology" by millions if not billions of years. Again we may see the recurrent theme: Why is such clean safe water so hard to find "nowadays"? Could this have something to do with the entropic choice of humans. So I ask the poster: When was water invented and by whom? Who was the great inventor of water? When? Why?


What are "critical factor(s)" one must acknowledge and understand in order to "tackle" these questions? Where is the "abundance of high quality and reliable research" that is available to answer these questions?

I would say that the aliens would say of modern as well ancient human civilizations: "Ancient and modern humans are not to be trusted." As well due the lies, deceptions, crimes, murders, pollutions( water?), slanders etch of humans the aliens would talk amongst themselves and agree unanimously: " anything and everything humans say and do must be taken or "given to" a big bag of salt ( Sodom and Gomorrah anyone…lots wife)

There is not a bag of salt big enough to ..squelch the real historic facts that the fly= the human disposition? We shall see.



New proposal:

Before the flood the bible speaks of  a "canopy" or "expanse" if you will that enveloped the earth before the flood. This 'canopy" was said to be emptied upon the earth during the flood.

Question: If one is laying down on a hot beach underneath an umbrella or tent..his experiences will be different than if one is laying on the hot beach with no protection from the "elements"

1)Long life before the flood= protective "atmospheric shade" from harmful UV( harmfull radiation). As well when this canopy ( heavenly ocean= Hebrew word "mabbul" for the word "deluge) was removed cosmic radiation genetically harmfull to man increased; introduced into the realm of the sphere earth.

2) Short life after the flood with no significant improvement to this day= removal of protections.

Both 1 and 2 were relative to divine responses to human choices.

Is it possible for this canopy to be replaced? Scientific and historical facts ( as well engineering, human technology and ingenuity) indicate irrefutably the following:

If it is replaced man cannot do it himself. He needs help. Why? Because man as he is "basking in the hot sun of his decisions" is inferior to the "aliens" who possess the ability to both " put up the canopy" as well experience the delight from living under the canopy. They can "give to or take away" but  always relative to human choices.

To address a few points:

Nutrition - This is based upon the the assumption that regular and sustained access to high quality food sources were the norm during the time period in question (later neolithic/early Bronze age?). This is not supported by the bio-anthropological data. Such indicators as the dental Harris lines demonstrate that nutritional quality/availability was not necessarily consistent. In addition, it has been found that with the advent of agriculture and a more restricted dietary range, such factors as dental caries actually increased while the over-all life expectancy decreased.

Flood - There are precisely zero geological indications of a complete global inundation. In fact, this would appear to be a physical impossibility. The volume of water on earth is, barring the rare and quite minor cometary input, a fixed volume, and has been so for literally billions of years. If one were to melt all the glacial ice presently extant, it would amount to an oceanic basin rise of some 80.32m (263.52ft). While this would affect landforms at or below this level, a simple viewing of topographic mapping will illustrate the vast amounts of land that would not be affected. Please see below:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

Human lifespan - Once again, there is no bio-anthropological support for the 969 year figure, nor anything even remotely close. You should be aware that human (and faunal) skeletal structures are subject to an extensive number of growth, maturation, and aging processes that are well documented and routinely utilized in the aging and sexing of recovered remains. For more in-depth discussion consult Burns (2007), Byers (2008), Ubelaker (1999), etc., etc. Here is one simple example from (am speculating) the proposed time period:

http://www.newscient...ear-family.html

Clean water - Potable water has always been a concern. While the mechanisms of microbial/parasitic actions have only more recently been determined, clean water sources are not at all that common. Hence the tendency of many cultures to partake of a variety of boiled or fermented beverages. Just a brief example of what may be lurking in that local stream, with outcomes:

http://en.wikipedia....rborne_diseases

Re: "abundance of high quality and reliable research" - Should you choose to narrow your questions to one specific topic at a time, this aspect can be well addressed. The above is a mere taste.

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 01:43 AM

View PostSwede, on 07 February 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

To address a few points:

Nutrition - This is based upon the the assumption that regular and sustained access to high quality food sources were the norm during the time period in question (later neolithic/early Bronze age?). This is not supported by the bio-anthropological data. Such indicators as the dental Harris lines demonstrate that nutritional quality/availability was not necessarily consistent. In addition, it has been found that with the advent of agriculture and a more restricted dietary range, such factors as dental caries actually increased while the over-all life expectancy decreased.

Flood - There are precisely zero geological indications of a complete global inundation. In fact, this would appear to be a physical impossibility. The volume of water on earth is, barring the rare and quite minor cometary input, a fixed volume, and has been so for literally billions of years. If one were to melt all the glacial ice presently extant, it would amount to an oceanic basin rise of some 80.32m (263.52ft). While this would affect landforms at or below this level, a simple viewing of topographic mapping will illustrate the vast amounts of land that would not be affected. Please see below:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

Human lifespan - Once again, there is no bio-anthropological support for the 969 year figure, nor anything even remotely close. You should be aware that human (and faunal) skeletal structures are subject to an extensive number of growth, maturation, and aging processes that are well documented and routinely utilized in the aging and sexing of recovered remains. For more in-depth discussion consult Burns (2007), Byers (2008), Ubelaker (1999), etc., etc. Here is one simple example from (am speculating) the proposed time period:

http://www.newscient...ear-family.html

Clean water - Potable water has always been a concern. While the mechanisms of microbial/parasitic actions have only more recently been determined, clean water sources are not at all that common. Hence the tendency of many cultures to partake of a variety of boiled or fermented beverages. Just a brief example of what may be lurking in that local stream, with outcomes:

http://en.wikipedia....rborne_diseases

Re: "abundance of high quality and reliable research" - Should you choose to narrow your questions to one specific topic at a time, this aspect can be well addressed. The above is a mere taste.

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The above is a "mere taste" of evolutionary dogma, psuedo-scientific "spin; anthropological interpretations and lastly: Arrogance.

Your statements are equally “assumptive” . Immediately you “spout” …”Neolithic/early Bronze age.”  evolutionary assumptions. “Bio-anthropological data” supporting creation or argumentum “crutching” evolution. You decide. The interpretations go both ways and there are “ abundant and high quality” arguments supporting creation.  To the contrary: There are equally as plethoric interpretations from evolutionists to the contrary.

Your bold assertive statement that there is “zero” geological indications of complete global inundation..is frankly erroneous. Aside from MANY indications there is the historical narrative found in the Genesis account that demonstrates how this occurred. It had “not much “ to do with ice or water on the earth rather a “heavenly body of water” ABOVE the earth. While the “volume of water on earth” may or may not be a “fixed volume” this does not invalidate the volume of water in the skies both present and past. It is believed that there was a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents were larger than they are now, as is evidenced by river channels extending far out under the oceans . It should also be noted that scientist have stated that mountains in the past were much lower than at present, and some mountains have even been pushed up from under the seas.

National Geographic , January 1945, p. 105:

“ There is 10 times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.”

How astute and scientifically sound. The bible explains other relevancies as to the potentiality of a worldwide deluge.  Of course..there is much more evidence supporting a worldwide deluge in the not to distant past. ( a past that does not include and in fact precludes Australopithecus, Neanderthal or , sigh: Piltdown man.)




There is not bio-anthropological support AGAINST the “969 year figure.

While things may be “lurking in the drinking water” relative to our modern earth..as a direct result of humans ruining the earth this does not mean that water faced such a human “plight” in the past ( spanning a little more than 6,000 years).

Should I choose to narrow my questions so as to magnify the historic/scientific/archeological/anthropological realities  no doubt your responses would persist in broadening the discussion to all inclusively adopt evolutionary interpretations of such …“data”

Edited by physicsolved, 07 February 2011 - 02:12 AM.


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 02:16 AM

View Postphysicsolved, on 07 February 2011 - 01:43 AM, said:

The above is a "mere taste" of evolutionary dogma, psuedo-scientific "spin; anthropological interpretations and lastly: Arrogance.

Your statements are equally “assumptive” . Immediately you “spout” …”Neolithic/early Bronze age.”  evolutionary assumptions. “Bio-anthropological data” supporting creation or argumentum “crutching” evolution. You decide. The interpretations go both ways and there are “ abundant and high quality” arguments supporting creation.  To the contrary: There are equally as plethoric interpretations from evolutionists to the contrary.

Your bold assertive statement that there is “zero” geological indications of complete global inundation..is frankly erroneous. Aside from MANY indications there is the historical narrative found in the Genesis account that demonstrates how this occurred. It had “not much “ to do with ice or water on the earth rather a “heavenly body of water” ABOVE the earth. While the “volume of water on earth” may or may not be a “fixed volume” this does not invalidate the volume of water in the skies both present and past. It is believed that there was a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents were larger than they are now, as is evidenced by river channels extending far out under the oceans . It should also be noted that scientist have stated that mountains in the past were much lower than at present, and some mountains have even been pushed up from under the seas.

National Geographic , January 1945, p. 105:

“ There is 10 times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.”

How astute and scientifically sound. The bible explains other relevancies as to the potentiality of a worldwide deluge.  Of course..there is much more evidence supporting a worldwide deluge in the not to distant past. ( a past that does not include and in fact precludes Australopithecus, Neanderthal or , sigh: Piltdown man.)




There is not bio-anthropological support AGAINST the “969 year figure.

While things may be “lurking in the drinking water” relative to our modern earth..as a direct result of humans ruining the earth this does not mean that water faced such a human “plight” in the past ( spanning a little more than 6,000 years).

Should I choose to narrow my questions so as to magnify the historic/scientific/archeological/anthropological realities  no doubt your responses would persist in broadening the discussion to all inclusively adopt evolutionary interpretations of such …“data”

Listen to him, Swede, he quotes from National Geographic, 1945...


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 02:24 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 February 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

Listen to him, Swede, he quotes from National Geographic, 1945...


Do you debate the statements made by National Geographic?

If so provide proof that such accurate statement is not..accurate.


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 02:26 AM

View Postphysicsolved, on 07 February 2011 - 02:24 AM, said:

Do you debate the statements made by National Geographic?

If so provide proof that such accurate statement is not..accurate.

“ There is 10 times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.”

That is just a hypothetical situation.

When did that situation ever really occur on earth?


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 03:19 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 February 2011 - 02:26 AM, said:

“ There is 10 times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.”

That is just a hypothetical situation.

When did that situation ever really occur on earth?


This is a statement of scientific and mathematic fact. Facts that would refute any who refer to the historical biblical account of a world wide deluge  as ...impossible. That event ( aside from mythos "copy cat" stories of floods found in just about all cultures that have ever existed) occurred about 2370 B.C.E and is recorded in the history book referred to as the bible.


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 03:32 AM

View Postphysicsolved, on 07 February 2011 - 01:43 AM, said:

The above is a "mere taste" of evolutionary dogma, psuedo-scientific "spin; anthropological interpretations and lastly: Arrogance.

Your statements are equally “assumptive” . Immediately you “spout” …”Neolithic/early Bronze age.”  evolutionary assumptions. “Bio-anthropological data” supporting creation or argumentum “crutching” evolution. You decide. The interpretations go both ways and there are “ abundant and high quality” arguments supporting creation.  To the contrary: There are equally as plethoric interpretations from evolutionists to the contrary.

Your bold assertive statement that there is “zero” geological indications of complete global inundation..is frankly erroneous. Aside from MANY indications there is the historical narrative found in the Genesis account that demonstrates how this occurred. It had “not much “ to do with ice or water on the earth rather a “heavenly body of water” ABOVE the earth. While the “volume of water on earth” may or may not be a “fixed volume” this does not invalidate the volume of water in the skies both present and past. It is believed that there was a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents were larger than they are now, as is evidenced by river channels extending far out under the oceans . It should also be noted that scientist have stated that mountains in the past were much lower than at present, and some mountains have even been pushed up from under the seas.

National Geographic , January 1945, p. 105:

“ There is 10 times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.”

How astute and scientifically sound. The bible explains other relevancies as to the potentiality of a worldwide deluge.  Of course..there is much more evidence supporting a worldwide deluge in the not to distant past. ( a past that does not include and in fact precludes Australopithecus, Neanderthal or , sigh: Piltdown man.)




There is not bio-anthropological support AGAINST the “969 year figure.

While things may be “lurking in the drinking water” relative to our modern earth..as a direct result of humans ruining the earth this does not mean that water faced such a human “plight” in the past ( spanning a little more than 6,000 years).

Should I choose to narrow my questions so as to magnify the historic/scientific/archeological/anthropological realities  no doubt your responses would persist in broadening the discussion to all inclusively adopt evolutionary interpretations of such …“data”

Thank you for finally defining your base-line date. Matters can now be addressed in a more succinct manner.

1) Are you now suggesting that the aquatic borne microbes/parasites are only a product of the last 6000 years? Please provide documentation.

2) Please provide qualified documentation for a global inundation within the last 3 billion years.

3) It would appear that your understanding of geologic processes/plate tectonics may be rather lacking. Please see below:

http://www.scotese.com/sfsanim.htm

http://en.wikipedia....ctionGlobal.gif

4) Your references to members of the hominid line prior to or contemporary with H. sapiens or H. sapiens sapiens would also appear to indicate a lack of understanding regarding the current state of knowledge in this regard. Please see below:

http://anthro.paloma.../mod_homo_4.htm

http://www.eurekaler...u-toh021105.php

5) As you will (hopefully!) observe, the above has been presented in such a manner as to progressively (and very briefly) narrow the time range down to a period closer to your 6000 BP figure. Now one must be willing to address the quite voluminous bodies of evidence that clearly support the presence of a fully modern members of your own ancestry (and their cultures) that predate your 6000 BP figure. For starters:

http://www.catalhoyu...iocarbon01.html

http://www.roperld.c...Haplogroups.htm

http://www.sciencedi...=/sdarticle.pdf

http://www.google.co...org.mozilla:en-
US:official%26biw%3D1350%26bih%3D597%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=416&vpy=172&dur=6118&hovh=185&hovw=273&tx=144&ty=72&ei=9QB_TN6XNZPWtQON4JX1Cg&oei=9QB_TN6XNZPWtQON4JX1Cg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0

The above are, yet again, just for starters. More in-depth references can be readily supplied.

6) Re: Human life-span - It would be incumbent upon you to provide data supporting your claim. The proof of a negative is a logical fallacy.

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 04:26 AM

View Postjack regan, on 30 January 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

hopefully scientists are studying them so they can work out how to make humans live foreverf
Really ? Perhaps you might like to think that through, no-one dies but we still have children ? Won't be too long before we're crowded out !


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 04:44 AM

View Postphysicsolved, on 07 February 2011 - 03:19 AM, said:

This is a statement of scientific and mathematic fact. Facts that would refute any who refer to the historical biblical account of a world wide deluge  as ...impossible. That event ( aside from mythos "copy cat" stories of floods found in just about all cultures that have ever existed) occurred about 2370 B.C.E and is recorded in the history book referred to as the bible.

Yes.

The earth is as smooth as a billiard ball.

... sigh ....


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 04:45 AM

View Postmegabyte, on 26 January 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

our scientists love the fruit fly because it completes a generation in just 3 weeks and so it is useful when studying what effect a certain substance may have on subsequent generations

could it be that humans have such pitifully short lifespan for the same reason?
[annunaki were supposed to live to age 36000 for example]

could aliens who have been tinkering with our civilization since year dot be using us to study substances over generations before giving it to their own population? someone who lives to age 36000 could study several of our generations after releasing a substance such the plague to see what it does. [yes apparently they saw men in black dressed as grim reapers releasing gas substances around villages prior to that village succumbing to the plague - this was on an episode i just watched called ancient aliens

it is quite obvious from reading ancient writings and also reading about current ufo abduction reports that aliens have always had their own agenda and sometimes it was for our good and sometimes it was not.

I would love to know what others think

Humans do have longer life spans than most other mammals, not that that makes any particular consciousness "more important" than another.  Basic Darwinian evolution dictates that evolved characteristics of any species are compelled by natural forces to benefit the species, not the individual.  The species forces have "concluded" up to now that humans beyond a hundred years old are dead wood to the species, and has arranged the telomeres to turn off the biological clock at a certain general area of time.  

But then of course that is all a theory, a brick in a wall, a way of viewing the universe as some abstract machine which is larger than one’s own awareness.  This mechanistic view seems "to work" well enough, but it has a flaw the size of a barn door.

Let's speak of time,  when one speaks of "life", a more appropriate definition of time is subjective time.  

Life for the person yearning to experience more, and yet has been dazzled with talk from everyone of the existence of death, and even had so called "first hand viewing" that death exists (meaning to say that they believe in death, and that other than the present moment exists (which can never by definition be death), or for many common people for that matter,... well for those common people then sitting at the coffee table, or feeling the loss of others, life might seem very short.  This would mean that for this class of people, "life feels short".

On the other hand if a person is in agony or dispair, life might feel interminably long.

There are other people who at times are very much living in the moment and don't even have time for such abstract thoughts as death.


If you can’t experience death, then death cannot really exist.

If you can experience death, then death cannot really exist either.

Either way it doesn't matter, and death cannot really exist.

However, death can be a really good advisor, an advisor of how to live each moment more intensely.

Edited by Henry Morgan, 07 February 2011 - 05:22 AM.





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