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[Feebs]

Hilander, on 29 November 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

When I had to call the vet to put my horse down I was crying, been up all night in January out in the field caring for this horse, the vet told me someday you might wish someone could do this for you.

its a very true thing he said .....no one should be made to suffer xx

[Merc14]

OverSword, on 29 November 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Samples from the article:

Sick children are being discharged from NHS hospitals to die at home or in hospices on controversial ‘death pathways’.
Until now, end of life regime the Liverpool Care Pathway was thought to have involved only elderly and terminally-ill adults.
But the Mail can reveal the practice of withdrawing food and fluid by tube is being used on young patients as well as severely disabled newborn babies.

One doctor has admitted starving and dehydrating ten babies to death in the neonatal unit of one hospital alone.
Writing in a leading medical journal, the physician revealed the process can take an average of ten days during which a baby becomes ‘smaller and shrunken’.
The LCP – on which 130,000 elderly and terminally-ill adult patients die each year – is now the subject of an independent inquiry ordered by ministers.

Why does this surprise anyone?  It is as inevitable with single payer government run healthcare as long waits and poor service.  Give Obamacare 10 years and we'll be there as well, maybe sooner with 320M trying to get Uncle Sucker let them see a doctor.

[Simbi Laveau]

*vomits*

[RavenEyes19]

glorybebe, on 29 November 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

I would much rather die suddenly in an accident or have a fatal heartattack rather than to be made to suffer so horribly for so long.

Agreed. My grandad died of a massive heart attack and I think it was probably a hell of a lot more pleasant than all my other family members' deaths. He  collapsed in his bathroom one morning and was dead within seconds according to my grandmother. He probably didn't even know what hit him. With everyone else its been cancer or death after many years of alzheimer's. Personally, if I end up with either of these two I will find a way kill myself. I don't want to have to lie in a bed for weeks barely conscious, looking like a skeleton while my loved ones are forced to watch. I don't want to lose all my memories and personality either.
I feel physician assisted suicide should be legal everywhere. Pets have the luxury of dying quickly and peacefully, but for some warped reason we are not allowed the same option.

[and then]

RavenEyes19, on 30 November 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Agreed. My grandad died of a massive heart attack and I think it was probably a hell of a lot more pleasant than all my other family members' deaths. He  collapsed in his bathroom one morning and was dead within seconds according to my grandmother. He probably didn't even know what hit him. With everyone else its been cancer or death after many years of alzheimer's. Personally, if I end up with either of these two I will find a way kill myself. I don't want to have to lie in a bed for weeks barely conscious, looking like a skeleton while my loved ones are forced to watch. I don't want to lose all my memories and personality either.
I feel physician assisted suicide should be legal everywhere. Pets have the luxury of dying quickly and peacefully, but for some warped reason we are not allowed the same option.

I believe this will change in the next decade.  Multiple millions of baby boomers who, let's face it, did not care for themselves very well, are going to become a massive burden on a mediocre healthcare system that allows anyone with a desire to be called a doctor to practice medicine.  Quality people will expect to be paid well for their time - nothing evil about this - and that means the leftovers will be practicing what is one of the most difficult professions on earth.  That single payer "free" healthcare will be almost useless and people will have to watch their loved one's suffer and die. Maybe when the last of the boomers have died off the pendulum will swing back - but probably not.

[Wyrdlight]

Depends on the basis on which its performed.  In cases where the paitent has a terrible quality of life, is unable to function without the aid of constant medical care and is in great pain then such measures are a kindness.

[Mr Right Wing]

Feebs, on 29 November 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

i am with you on this one it was 9 days with my father...surely they can make the passing quicker...we wouldnt let our animals suffer for that amount of time x

They are only allowed to put you down in the UK if death is imminent and you're in extreme distress. Its not called euthanasia either as thats illegal. Its called giving you a massive dose of diamorphine (which kills you) to relieve your distress.

Commonly used on people mushed under the wheels of a bus. 99% of patients will be dead from the diamorphine before they reach hospital.

[Feebs]

Mr Right Wing, on 30 November 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

They are only allowed to put you down in the UK if death is imminent and you're in extreme distress. Its not called euthanasia either as thats illegal. Its called giving you a massive dose of diamorphine (which kills you) to relieve your distress.

Commonly used on people mushed under the wheels of a bus. 99% of patients will be dead from the diamorphine before they reach hospital.

i know all this....i have been present at countless patients beds during this process....but what the OP states is this is happening differently and that to me is wrong....i am all for Euthanasia as i have seen so much suffering needlessly x

[OverSword]

Feebs, on 30 November 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

i know all this....i have been present at countless patients beds during this process....but what the OP states is this is happening differently and that to me is wrong....i am all for Euthanasia as i have seen so much suffering needlessly x

I agree.  When euthanasia takes of the form starving someone to death that's just cruel.

[smurf0852]

Merc14, on 30 November 2012 - 01:49 AM, said:

Why does this surprise anyone?  It is as inevitable with single payer government run healthcare as long waits and poor service.  Give Obamacare 10 years and we'll be there as well, maybe sooner with 320M trying to get Uncle Sucker let them see a doctor.

lol poor service for what we pay its 100% better than yours but its regulated so we cant get some hick inbread idiot to give our loved on a jab for 100 dollers to put them down .look it up british heathcare is better than yours and guess what we ALL get it not only those who can afford it .50% of your great nation (puke) cant afford healthcare that is something to be proud of isnt it .
what is it then let the poor die as long as "im alright jack" im sorry but we dont want that kind of sysytem and will never accept it.i hope you never become so ill your insurace bins you. you have to sell your home and your kids live in cardboard boxes .that can happen in your country but thankfully not in mine.

[Merc14]

smurf0852, on 01 December 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

lol poor service for what we pay its 100% better than yours but its regulated so we cant get some hick inbread idiot to give our loved on a jab for 100 dollers to put them down .look it up british heathcare is better than yours and guess what we ALL get it not only those who can afford it .50% of your great nation (puke) cant afford healthcare that is something to be proud of isnt it .
what is it then let the poor die as long as "im alright jack" im sorry but we dont want that kind of sysytem and will never accept it.i hope you never become so ill your insurace bins you. you have to sell your home and your kids live in cardboard boxes .that can happen in your country but thankfully not in mine.

Get off your Mom's computer before she catches you and gives you a thrashing.  Some people's kids, what can you say?

[Michelle]

smurf0852, on 01 December 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

lol poor service for what we pay its 100% better than yours but its regulated so we cant get some hick inbread idiot to give our loved on a jab for 100 dollers to put them down .look it up british heathcare is better than yours and guess what we ALL get it not only those who can afford it .50% of your great nation (puke) cant afford healthcare that is something to be proud of isnt it .
what is it then let the poor die as long as "im alright jack" im sorry but we dont want that kind of sysytem and will never accept it.i hope you never become so ill your insurace bins you. you have to sell your home and your kids live in cardboard boxes .that can happen in your country but thankfully not in mine.

That is the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time. I guess you didn't hear about the homeless man that had his face chewed off by some maniac and he is getting the best of care and reconstructive surgery.

I know, for a fact, that indigent people have access to medical care in the US and to say otherwise is ignorance.

[Mr Right Wing]

smurf0852, on 01 December 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

lol poor service for what we pay its 100% better than yours but its regulated so we cant get some hick inbread idiot to give our loved on a jab for 100 dollers to put them down .look it up british heathcare is better than yours and guess what we ALL get it not only those who can afford it .50% of your great nation (puke) cant afford healthcare that is something to be proud of isnt it .
what is it then let the poor die as long as "im alright jack" im sorry but we dont want that kind of sysytem and will never accept it.i hope you never become so ill your insurace bins you. you have to sell your home and your kids live in cardboard boxes .that can happen in your country but thankfully not in mine.

Thats funny because the only time I've had to go to a NHS hospital was when I needed my leg x-rayed few years ago.

It took them 4 hours before they got around to x-raying it. They didnt even get the diagnosis right it took a visit to my private clinic 6 months later to find out my leg had been broken.

What do you think of that Mr Red Smurf? No so quick to promote your socialist utopia now are you?

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 01 December 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[smurf0852]

Yes I am if private company's would stop sponging money from the nhs so spoilt little publicly educated brats like yourself could fast track then there would be no issue in that regard.
As for someone in America getting medical treatment even though he is homeless gee whizz guys were helping the poor guy.
In the uk it would be his right to have treatment not an act of charity

[spud the mackem]

We all have to go thru' the same door eventually, its how its done that counts.My Mum had Alzheimers, not a good way to go.She squeezed my hand the last time I saw her,couldnt speak,couldnt see. and yet she knew. I think that we as humans should not be allowed to suffer before the end. Animals are despatched quietly by injection, or shot, at least they dont suffer and its done quickly, so why cant we have the same dignity ?. I hope they change the Law before its my turn.