And you would know the difference... how?
I don't know if it was physical. How would I know? I don't go running into walls to see if they're real! Only an idiot would do that!
Did I say I doubted it's existence? No. Please pay more attention.
I did not test it's physical existence by shoving it or swinging a baseball bat at it. Who says angels have to be physical anyway? Nothing in the Bible.
The definition of "angel" as a messenger of God is very clear in the Bible which you haven't read.
Angels can and do sometimes look like real people and they can wear armani suits and carry physical objects, but they canalso materialise and dematerialise at will.
I would know the difference by contextual evidences, influence on environment, whether other witnesses saw the same thing, and also on logicla deduction. The same way one can, and does, determine the physical reality of anything.
Of course you dont RUN into them You gently walk up to them, push your hand at them and try to meld your molecules with that of the wall. Its never worked for me while i am awake but every night it works fine while I am dreaming. it is called a reality checker and it is one of the most basic tools to see if you are awake and in the mundane world or dreaming/hallucinating Flying is another checker Every day and every night i aim into the wind and try to fly. So far no success while awake but every night i fly all over the place. This determines consciously the independent reality of waking and sleeping states, and allows controlled lucid dreaming at will I have alos had my neurologicla and psychologicla health checked and been asses as highly functional and very grounded in reality I have no evidences at al of any hallucinations or delusional states BUT i know eactly what an hallucination is like. I have nursed people with them, and i have had them myself under the influence of morphine based pain killers. I recognised both their contextual irregularities and also their resemblance to the descritions given by others who suffered from them ad described them in detail to me. Hallucinations are very easily discenrned using observation reality checkers and logic, but sadly of course, most people who have them, aren't in a position to use those methods to recognise an hallucination when they have one.
The bible is not the ultimate authority on angels or beings of light. I had never read the bible when i met my first angel a two metre tall blinding pillar of light which lit up hundres of square feet of night as bright as day and was seen by peole inside a nearby house But my description would have been recognisable to any one from bible times if i didnt use words like 10000 watts and a neon quality of light/
So this entity was real but you decided it wasnt an angel. FAir enough. To me, if it looks like an angel, talks like an angel, and acts with the powers and abilities ascribed to angels, then as an english teacher i will call it an angel for accuracy of communication with others. I prefer "being of light" but angels do not always appear in that form.
Ps i have read the bible cover to cover more than a dozen times, and studied it with many groups for over a decade. My wife and I still work through bible texts and studies every day, although i no longer read it through in sequence.I live by the bible but i do not believe it is infallible. I could add a chapter to it and I am not infallible. All the words of the bible come via the minds of men and women from several thousand years ago. One always has to keep that in mind. But god and angels are still with us. They can help us, educate us, protect us, empower us, and liberate us, etc., just as they did with men and women in "biblical times"
It is more important to live connected to god, with him in your heart mind and environment, than to live by the bible, or the words of any preacher. An adult person who has to rely on a book, or someone in authority, to tell him what is right and wrong and how to behave, is already in big trouble.
Ps if you had read the bible you would know that while angels are indeed messengers of god, they serve many other functions of god as well, Protectors enforcers and workers of physical acts we call miracles. Teaching and mentoring is an important role but not their only, or indeed main, one.
God and angels keep me alive and protect me from danger. They heal me and empower me. That is at least as important as their teaching counselling and mentoring role, although I certainly appreciate that as well; but if i was dead then their teaching mentoring counselling and messaging role wouldn't be much use to me, would it?
And damn right if I had the slightest doubt about the physicality of anythin angel or wall or little pink bunny rabbit walking up the wall, the very first thing i would do wouldbe touch it and see what happens. If i could grab the pink rabbit hold it and stroke it, and it left pink droppings in my lap that remained after it disappeared/dematerialised and were remarked on by others, then I would know i had experienced something with independent reality.
Edited by Mr Walker, 17 January 2013 - 02:20 PM.