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#1    AquilaChrysaetos

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:03 AM

There may already be a thread about this, but if not I'm just curious as to your thoughts on the matter...

(and to all non-believers, please refrain from smart aleck comments like "no because there is no heaven." Besides, my target audience are my fellow Christians after all...)

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"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:20 AM

I don't know since I haven't been there yet.  I do know they have spirits after seeing the ghost of my cat.  I am hoping they are there, would like to see my dogs, cats and horses that have pasted besides the people that I loved.  Would even like to see that old raccoon again.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:25 AM

I'm going to approach this from a different angle.  Would it be heaven for YOU if there were no animals there?

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.

"I warn you, whoever you are, oh you who wish to probe the arcanes of nature, if you do not find within yourself that which you seek, neither shall you find it outside.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:26 AM

Had to put down my dog I had from childhood today. Therefore naturally the question arised.

Jesus Christ - Matthew 28:18-20 said:

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:27 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 12 January 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Would it be heaven for YOU if there were no animals there?

Don't really care either way. As long as I didn't have to clean up thier poop.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:32 AM

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:33 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 12 January 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Don't really care either way. As long as I didn't have to clean up thier poop.
Then it wouldn't be heaven for you if you had to clean up their poop.  But I thought you had lost your dog today?  I'm sorry to hear that but I gather he lived a full life if you had him from childhood.

So the question becomes would it be heaven for you to be reunited with your dog?

"I warn you, whoever you are, oh you who wish to probe the arcanes of nature, if you do not find within yourself that which you seek, neither shall you find it outside.
If you ignore the excellencies of your own house, how do you intend to find other excellencies?
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:38 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 12 January 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

Then it wouldn't be heaven for you if you had to clean up their poop.  But I thought you had lost your dog today?  I'm sorry to hear that but I gather he lived a full life if you had him from childhood.

So the question becomes would it be heaven for you to be reunited with your dog?

It'd be nice I suppose. I don't have nearly  as great of emotional attatchments to animals as I do people, the main thing that bothers me with him is simply the fact that he was a large portion of my childhood memories. That and it's really affected my mother pretty hard. (He was much more her's than mine) Don't worry about hurting my feelings by saying he's not. Essentially I'm trying to gather some overall thoughts of this community so that maybe I could use some things to console her.

Jesus Christ - Matthew 28:18-20 said:

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:56 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 12 January 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

It'd be nice I suppose. I don't have nearly  as great of emotional attatchments to animals as I do people, the main thing that bothers me with him is simply the fact that he was a large portion of my childhood memories. That and it's really affected my mother pretty hard. (He was much more her's than mine) Don't worry about hurting my feelings by saying he's not. Essentially I'm trying to gather some overall thoughts of this community so that maybe I could use some things to console her.
Well, I can't hurt your feelings any more than mine.  Fact is, I don't know for sure but that quote from John 14:2 gives me cause to believe it is entirely possible as many people have a deep and abiding love for their animals and would hardly be experiencing "heaven" if they were not there to share it with them.

Whether or not we make it to heaven ourselves but animals get a free pass is an interesting question to pose too ;)

Note to add: John 14:2 could console her as it does me in these matters.

Edited by libstaK, 12 January 2013 - 02:04 AM.

"I warn you, whoever you are, oh you who wish to probe the arcanes of nature, if you do not find within yourself that which you seek, neither shall you find it outside.
If you ignore the excellencies of your own house, how do you intend to find other excellencies?
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:56 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 12 January 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

There may already be a thread about this, but if not I'm just curious as to your thoughts on the matter...

(and to all non-believers, please refrain from smart aleck comments like "no because there is no heaven." Besides, my target audience are my fellow Christians after all...)
No smart aleck comments.. I promise. :innocent:

but humans are animals too, so to those who do believe, surely humans should not have the privileges over the other animals we share this planet with which are "all gods creatures" too?

Edited by freetoroam, 12 January 2013 - 01:56 AM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:59 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 12 January 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Don't really care either way. As long as I didn't have to clean up thier poop.
Well thats not very Christian like! :cry:




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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:03 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 12 January 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

Whether or not we make it to heaven ourselves but animals get a free pass is an interesting question to pose too ;)

Ah, now that would be interesting. If that were so, I think a lot of people would start questioning the so called "superiority" of the human race.

Jesus Christ - Matthew 28:18-20 said:

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:05 AM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 12 January 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Ah, now that would be interesting. If that were so, I think a lot of people would start questioning the so called "superiority" of the human race.
Yes, our so called "superiority" definitely needs to be questioned.

"I warn you, whoever you are, oh you who wish to probe the arcanes of nature, if you do not find within yourself that which you seek, neither shall you find it outside.
If you ignore the excellencies of your own house, how do you intend to find other excellencies?
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:05 AM

Heaven without animals, for most people, would not be heaven.


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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:06 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 12 January 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Well thats not very Christian like! :cry:

Says who? The way I see it is, Christ came to save humans and therefore instructed us how to be saved. Besides, no matter what fate animals have, it's not like we can change it anyways...

Jesus Christ - Matthew 28:18-20 said:

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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