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#151    regi

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:11 PM

View PostYamato, on 28 February 2013 - 04:40 AM, said:

Now you've got it right.  It's a statement made about a universal group of people, highly correlated to Nancy Grace viewers to be sure. Yes, people ARE guilty of rushing to judgment and violating presumption of innocence, yes.  I take Due Process very seriously as that is our rule of law, and thankfully so.   That's a very big deal when REAL life is concerned.  This is about more than the life and death of one person regi, and we seem a bit too eager to double down on the death side of things, jmho of course.


No, you were addressing the posters in this thread when you said "armchair prosecutors", and the posters you were referring to were the posters with an opinion of guilt.

YOU"RE the one an apparent fixation on Nancy Grace, and you insinuate that it's because of Nancy Grace that people have opinions!
Don't "universally, highly correlate" ME with Nancy Grace viewers, and suggest that it's because of Nancy Grace or anyone else for that matter, that my opinion is what it is!
My opinion is based on the EVIDENCE, and it's right there in front of you, and if you can't see it, then NO ONE can help you see it.

I HAVE NOT rushed to judgement. I know what the evidence is and I've formed an opinion about what it shows.
Maybe you haven't recognized this, but sometimes, there's evidence in a case which leaves no doubt, and the trial is the process of law when a defendant refuses to plead guilty to charges made by the prosecutor.
This is one of those cases. Apart from premeditation, the only question I see for the jury is whether or not they believe that Arias "forgot" ...because that AIN"T self defense on that body.

You say you'll reserve judgement...B.S. You've expressed opinions, and you've also attempted to defame Alexander's character!
You grandstand about "innocent until proven guilty". Hello? We ARE NOT in a court of law, and if we were in a court of law, I definitely WOULD NOT want you on the jury! (Unless I were A GUILTY defendant :lol: )

Edited by regi, 28 February 2013 - 01:25 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

Hi all, there is a photo found in the camera of Joni holding Tavis`s inguire body at 5,31 June 4. It shows her foot, pant leg and the top of his bloody head, The photo was shown in the court room, its hard to find it on the net.I posted it once but it disppeared,  Maybe someone can find it. But  to me it says a lot in the time line of how Travis was killed.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

View PostEldorado, on 28 February 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:


Is the Jury not locked away in a nice hotel without access to media that could influence them?  (Excuse my ignorance)

El, jury is instructed to avoid all media about the case.

And...don't worry about whether or not Arias will receive a fail trial. Since this is a death penalty case, the defense has been granted leniency (in the interest of possible future appeals) that it otherwise would not have been afforded.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

Eldorado, and Yamato, since you both have expressed concern over this issue, what effect did public opinion (and I'm including pretrial publicity) have on the Simpson and Anthony verdicts?


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

View Postregi, on 28 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

Eldorado, and Yamato, since you both have expressed concern over this issue, what effect did public opinion (and I'm including pretrial publicity) have on the Simpson and Anthony verdicts?

I'm not really concened at all.  I was merely wondering why it was creating such interest on UM as opposed to the thousands of other murder cases that are ongoing around the world, but now I know.  It's 'live', so to speak and has saucy ingredients plus plenty of blood.  :)

She is however, guilty or not, entitled to a fair hearing.  As we all are, in a fair & just society.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:30 PM

View PostEldorado, on 28 February 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:


She is however, guilty or not, entitled to a fair hearing.  As we all are, in a fair & just society.

Well, of course, that's a given, but my question illustrates there's no reason for concern that public opinion will effect a verdict because those two cases demonstrate that it won't; both of those defendants received verdicts favorable to them despite an overwhelming amount of pretrial publicity and when the vast majority of the public believed strongly in their guilt.

Also, of course, I know juries can get it wrong, and no matter what the Arias verdict is, I will still strongly believe in her guilt, just as I still believe strongly in Simpson's and Anthony's guilt.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 05:34 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 27 February 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:


The defence showed a picture of small peice of rope .

Detective Flores says pieces of rope were found on the staircase, bedroom and bathroom.

The defense presented evidence of rope? There was no mention of rope in Flores' report.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:37 PM

View Postregi, on 28 February 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

The defense presented evidence of rope? There was no mention of rope in Flores' report.


3:52 p.m. ET: Detective Flores and Prosecutor Martinez are going back over where pieces of rope were found at the crime scene.
3:50 p.m. ET: Martinez is having Flores read over more Facebook messages between Alexander and Arias. Now Martinez in reviewing a photograph on a piece of rope found at the crime scene



http://www.hlntv.com...odi-arias-trial

Edited by docyabut2, 28 February 2013 - 08:41 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:07 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 28 February 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

That was my interest to, how this soft spoken girl could have done such a horriable thing. The weapons ,so far they don`nt have the gun.Jodi said on the stand the gun she used was Travis`s gun in his closet, that she threw in the dessert after the defence killing.  Friends say Travis never own a gun. There a gun that was stolen from Jodi grandmothers house that they say was the same type gun that killed travis.The knife was in the dishwasher,wash and cleaned. The only proof they have of Jodi being there is the bloody hand print, hers hairs and the photos found in the camera that were in the washer machine dated June 4, the day he was killed. Jodi does admit she killed travis in self defence, with his gun. but how the defence is going to prove that is beyond me.,with no gun as the evidence and to who`s gun it was. To prove premeditation, the proscution has to prove she brought that gun of her grandmothers with her.`Im not sure, but I don`t think they have found that gun of yet.

I agree with you.  Premeditation will be hard to prove.  All they have for that is circumstantial evidence.  Still, there is enough for me to believe the murder was premeditated.  I think she went to Travis' house to kill him if he didn't change his plan of taking another girl to Cancun.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

View PostEldorado, on 28 February 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Thank you for your replies, cousins! :)

I was thinking that I had missed something e.g. the guy was famous in some way, but i can see now it's just one of those cases which has all the ingredients that the media, and ourselves, love and they have latched onto it.

I hope you don't think I was having a shot at anyones interest in the case; if it's covered so widely and intensely it's natural in my opinion to have a look-see and form an opinion.  A bit hard to avoid, in fact.  I just hope the woman gets a fair and honest judgement that hasn't been influenced by public opinion.  We all deserve that, no matter the crime.

I know what you mean.  I've been on some forums where most of the people post really juvenile messages about Jodi Arias that have nothing to do with the trial.  They hate her.   I prefer a forum where evidence is discussed and theories are explored.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:19 PM

View PostEldorado, on 28 February 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

Thank you.. I'll view it later.

Is the Jury not locked away in a nice hotel without access to media that could influence them?  (Excuse my ignorance)
Great question!  I don't know.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:42 PM

View Postregi, on 28 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

No, you were addressing the posters in this thread when you said "armchair prosecutors", and the posters you were referring to were the posters with an opinion of guilt.

YOU"RE the one an apparent fixation on Nancy Grace, and you insinuate that it's because of Nancy Grace that people have opinions!
Don't "universally, highly correlate" ME with Nancy Grace viewers, and suggest that it's because of Nancy Grace or anyone else for that matter, that my opinion is what it is!
My opinion is based on the EVIDENCE, and it's right there in front of you, and if you can't see it, then NO ONE can help you see it.

I HAVE NOT rushed to judgement. I know what the evidence is and I've formed an opinion about what it shows.
Maybe you haven't recognized this, but sometimes, there's evidence in a case which leaves no doubt, and the trial is the process of law when a defendant refuses to plead guilty to charges made by the prosecutor.
This is one of those cases. Apart from premeditation, the only question I see for the jury is whether or not they believe that Arias "forgot" ...because that AIN"T self defense on that body.

You say you'll reserve judgement...B.S. You've expressed opinions, and you've also attempted to defame Alexander's character!
You grandstand about "innocent until proven guilty". Hello? We ARE NOT in a court of law, and if we were in a court of law, I definitely WOULD NOT want you on the jury! (Unless I were A GUILTY defendant :lol: )

I think it's very possible to form an opinion and then to change that opinion in the face of new evidence or new understanding.    Common sense has a place in forming  opinions too.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 28 February 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Hi all, there is a photo found in the camera of Joni holding Tavis`s inguire body at 5,31 June 4. It shows her foot, pant leg and the top of his bloody head, The photo was shown in the court room, its hard to find it on the net.I posted it once but it disppeared,  Maybe someone can find it. But  to me it says a lot in the time line of how Travis was killed.

I would like to see that photo!

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:38 AM

View Postspayneuter, on 28 February 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

I would like to see that photo!

They showed the photo only again briefly today in the court room,but never really question Joni to much on it. I suppose the jury is wondering the same thing.

   The photo is of Joni`s backside holding Travis`s bloody body.


here it is


http://www.hlntv.com...picture-session

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:08 AM

These were photos in the camera found in the wash machine, it appears to me the blue stripe is on joni shirt and her arm is holding travis bloody body  and thats his foot below ,and no is explaining  how this photo could have been taken.





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