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[jugoso]

MichaelW, on 26 February 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

Because farmers don't spray chemicals all over their crops anyway to protect them from insects, diseases and animals currently. Because engineering plants to produce high yields in small crop areas is a bad thing?

That's the science I want if you idiots want to keep yourselves in biofuels without bulldozing the whole of the Amazon to make way for cropland. Oh, and BTW, mankind has been tinkering with the genetic makeup of plants for centuries. It's how we've ended up with 200 different kinds of potato.

You want a science that may forever change our food system without the scientific evidence to back it up to show that it is safe and also not contaminate existing strains that are not owned by Monsanto? That really doesn´t seem like good, solid science to me but rather foolish greed.

And is it really necessary to call all people who don´t agree with your POV idiots. I´ve noticed derogatory statements in some of your other posts. Reflects poorly on you IMHO.

Edited by jugoso, 26 February 2013 - 05:27 PM.

[The Silver Thong]

MichaelW, on 26 February 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

And I assume you do? Read my post again. I didn't say Monsanto weren't the scum of the Earth. But genetic engineering of plants and crops is the future, unless of course you want to starve to death because blights, diseases and insects have destroyed all the year's crops.

Hope your not a farmer because Monsanto will control you in every aspect.  They even want organic food made illegal to buy.

[AsteroidX]

Monsanto is killing off native plants for anyone that took a moment to watch the video linked. If your uninformed really why post.

Edited by AsteroidX, 26 February 2013 - 08:36 PM.

[MichaelW]

jugoso, on 26 February 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

You want a science that may forever change our food system without the scientific evidence to back it up to show that it is safe and also not contaminate existing strains that are not owned by Monsanto?

Genetic engineering of food plants is safe and has been proven to be safe. And why do you have it stuck inside your head that genetic engineering = Monsanto? Yes, they are a company in his field but its not exactly like they exclusively run it.

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And is it really necessary to call all people who don´t agree with your POV idiots.

Yes. It's putting them in their place. Reminding them of their inferiority.

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I´ve noticed derogatory statements in some of your other posts. Reflects poorly on you IMHO.

I really don't give a flying rat's **** what you think. No one has complained about it and I've had a couple of people even say that they enjoy what I post or they like "my style". If you don't like it, tough. Grow some thicker skin.

The Silver Thong, on 26 February 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Hope your not a farmer because Monsanto will control you in every aspect.  They even want organic food made illegal to buy.

They don't even operate in New Zealand and organic food is so expensive here it's cheaper to grow your own. It's not uncommon for people to have vege patches or chicken coops in their yards.

AsteroidX, on 26 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Monsanto is killing off native plants for anyone that took a moment to watch the video linked.

I dislike Youtube videos for one reason: you can get any video you want off there and claim something incredibly stupid and say it is proof. I can find about half a dozen videos on there from people with agendas the same way you can but it doesn't prove anything. Saying you are "informed" because of one single Youtube video is like going to a first aid course and then claiming to know how to perform surgery.  

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If your uninformed really why post.

Ask yourself that.

[jugoso]

MichaelW, on 27 February 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

Yes. It's putting them in their place. Reminding them of their inferiority.

LMFAO! All hail MichaelW!!

MichaelW, on 27 February 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

I really don't give a flying rat's **** what you think. No one has complained about it and I've had a couple of people even say that they enjoy what I post or they like "my style". If you don't like it, tough. Grow some thicker skin.

Don´t get me wrong MichaelW. You didn´t hurt my feelings. It was just a suggestion. I find name-calling usually degrades the quality of the discussion and sometimes side-tracks it. But hey, If making derogatory, arrogant comments works for you, then fill yer boots. But given the fact that you don´t give a rat´s **** what I think and because I´m on this board to discuss things rather than listen to members pontificate, i´m not going to bother to respond to your opening comment.

[AsteroidX]

Monsanto should be turned inside out. Like back in the day. To see differently is akin to blindness.

[MichaelW]

jugoso, on 27 February 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

LMFAO! All hail MichaelW!!

Good. Now, sacrifice a goat in my honour. Steal one off one of them Mayans if you have to.  

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I find name-calling usually degrades the quality of the discussion and sometimes side-tracks it.

This is UM. The quality of discussion was not very lofty in the first place.

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But hey, If making derogatory, arrogant comments works for you, then fill yer boots. But given the fact that you don´t give a rat´s **** what I think and because I´m on this board to discuss things rather than listen to members pontificate, i´m not going to bother to respond to your opening comment.

Good. The more people that know when to stop, the better.

[Br Cornelius]

Genetically engineered plants have largely been self certificated to be safe by the companies that have invented them. They have not increased yields and they make the whole food supply chain more vunerable to shocks because they reduce the overall genetic diversity of the supply chain. Genetically engineered crops are largely unproven in science as we have almost no broad understanding of the complex multilayered operation of the genetic code. To mess with something which you barely understand in the name of profit is criminally negligent and will inevitably lead to famine at some point in the near future. There maybe a time when genetically engineered crops have a role to play - but that time is certainly not yet and they will have to go through far more rigerous independent testing before it should even be considered.

The simple answer to world hunger is to apply the knowledge of Green Revolution to small scale farms and to increase the diversity of genetic crops such that our production both increases and becomes more resiliant. Heritage crops and small local farmers offer us the best hope for securing an abundent food future. Unfortunately that runds counter to the business model of the large AgroIndustry, so we are going to have to make a choice about whether we look after the interests of large business or our own food security.

Br Cornelius

[Yamato]

Gummug, on 25 February 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Monsanto...aren't those blankety blanks tied in with the codex alimentarius?

eta: well it is the stated objective of the powers that be to reduce the world's population to 500 million or so

I realize I will never have the resources to determine what is safe from what isn't in a timely manner, so as a personal response I've taken the following article to heart in the past year and attempt to follow its advice as closely as I possibly can.   I thought I'd pass it onto you because I think you'd appreciate it Gummug.  I think the essence of the idea is best described by the quote "consuming food in its most natural state, or as close to it as possible."

http://www.dailystre...-meal-at-a-time

[jugoso]

MichaelW, on 27 February 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

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Good. The more people that know when to stop, the better.

Perhaps you should take some of your own advice.

[FurthurBB]

MichaelW, on 26 February 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

Because farmers don't spray chemicals all over their crops anyway to protect them from insects, diseases and animals currently. Because engineering plants to produce high yields in small crop areas is a bad thing?

That's the science I want if you idiots want to keep yourselves in biofuels without bulldozing the whole of the Amazon to make way for cropland. Oh, and BTW, mankind has been tinkering with the genetic makeup of plants for centuries. It's how we've ended up with 200 different kinds of potato.

More than centuries.

[FurthurBB]

AsteroidX, on 26 February 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

Derp. And they did it the natural way. Not by altering the genetics and then pushing it on a public untested followed by lawsuits against farmers that got a stiff wind oneday and got there crops crosspollinated by this garbage. Talk about having to bulldoze out your land.

Never mind well just dump the whole lot on NZ and call it good. You can have Monsanto. Because we dont want him in America dont let that stop you from takling his garbage. But TBH we have plenty of farmland and have nothing to do with the Rainforests of Brazil. So might want start topic on that. This ones about Monsanto's lawsuit currently in the USA court system.

What?  They did alter the genetics and pushed it on the public untested.  There is nothing natural about it and it doesn't matter what way the genetics were altered, the end mechanism is the same.  Now, as for Monsanto, they should not be allowed to sue people over cross pollination or breeding techniques.  That is like trying to sue nature.

[FurthurBB]

jugoso, on 26 February 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

You want a science that may forever change our food system without the scientific evidence to back it up to show that it is safe and also not contaminate existing strains that are not owned by Monsanto? That really doesn´t seem like good, solid science to me but rather foolish greed.

And is it really necessary to call all people who don´t agree with your POV idiots. I´ve noticed derogatory statements in some of your other posts. Reflects poorly on you IMHO.

When you let your emotions override your intelligence you come off making idiotic statements like this.  Genetic engineering changes our food system forever 1000s of years ago.  It has definitely been tested because we have been growing and eating genetically engineered food for over a 1000 years.  It does not matter what way you change the genetics the end result is the same.

[jugoso]

FurthurBB, on 27 February 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

Now, as for Monsanto, they should not be allowed to sue people over cross pollination or breeding techniques.  That is like trying to sue nature.

But they are suing people because they OWN the nature involved. can´t you see the problem here?

FurthurBB, on 27 February 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

When you let your emotions override your intelligence you come off making idiotic statements like this.  Genetic engineering changes our food system forever 1000s of years ago.  It has definitely been tested because we have been growing and eating genetically engineered food for over a 1000 years.  It does not matter what way you change the genetics the end result is the same.

Not sure where you think my emotions are involved here. My concerns are stated quite eloquently by Br Cornelius a few posts above this. Perhaps you could respond to it.

Edited by jugoso, 27 February 2013 - 03:51 PM.

[OverSword]

MichaelW, on 26 February 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

However, the science is not.

I disagree, I'm totaly against genetic engineering and feel it's very risky.  If you had your choice between a potato grown using natural fertilizer in a clean field and one geneticaly engineered for multiple purposes would you really eat the frankenpotato?  Not me brother.

Oh, and BTW, mankind has been tinkering with the genetic makeup of plants for centuries. It's how we've ended up with 200 different kinds of potato.

Michael, what people do to interbreed plants and the genetic engineering done in the lab are not the same thing.

Edited by OverSword, 27 February 2013 - 04:02 PM.