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#76    ninjadude

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:54 AM

View PostMiskatonicGrad, on 08 November 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

Damn ninjadude I wish I had your deep pockets if you think 50+billion dollars is hardly worth talking about

out of 3550 Billion, yes. It is worth the investment for many reasons not the least of which is helping out our fellow man. 16 trillion is not hanging over your head. It's there. It doesn't have to be completely paid this year, next year, or possibly even your lifetime. It does need to be whittled down.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:55 AM

View PostMichelle, on 08 November 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

But, did you know that about two thirds of our foreign aid is military which falls under military expenditures?

Well we do have to pay both Iraqi sides to stop fighting each other ;)  and now we're paying the taliban to stop fighting....

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:57 AM

View Postninjadude, on 08 November 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

Exactly how much foreign aid do you think we do? I'll wait. The answer is very little. It's hardly worth talking about.

Well a veterans job bill was shot down by the Republicans because it would cost 1 billion dollars and they were not convinced of the way to pay for it. We give a billion a year to Pakistan alone. You may think it is hardly worth talking about, but it is enough money to shoot down bills in our Congress and that is just payments to one country...

Also, our base in Kyrgyzstan is their number 2 source of income, behind a little gold mind they have. Russia told them to kick us out and they told Russia to match what we were paying them. When they told them what the Americans were paying them, they said no thank you, they can stay. Granted it probably wasn't a huge amount of money by American standards, but it was a huge chunk of their economy...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:06 AM

View PostSocio, on 08 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

I heard a somber Ann Coulter in an interview this morning, she put it the same way, as a result of this election America has reached a tipping point "the takers now out number the makers", conservatism is done in this country.

She may very well be right, as bad as it is now, as bad as Obama has been, with absolutely no record to stand on and still blew out a Republican it will probably will never matter who the Right runs any more.

We may have just witnessed the burgeoning of a one party system at least for the foreseeable future. And we are no longer a republic we have been successfully transformed in to something else ruled by a mob of leeching jackals and their enablers.

A random thought before I got to bed...
So we are made up of takers and makers or moochers and enablers...here is my question...

Where do YOU (as in the people on this forum) fall?
Are you a maker and an enabler? Do you employ people or create jobs?
If you do not, you are a taker and a moocher...
I only imagine we have a website full of business owners...


This is the problem with Ann Coulter and others that follow her beliefs. They seem to think that you are either a business owner or a moocher and apparently she seems to think that business owners are around 50% of the population. I don't know what kind of businesses she is familiar with, but in the world I live in, workers (or moochers) out number employers by a large number...then again, I don't live in the Bubble...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:39 AM

View PostMichelle, on 08 November 2012 - 04:14 AM, said:

You can't please all the people all of the time.

I doubt if anyone goes along with everything in any political parties platform. People aren't that cookiecutter.

Oh I never expect to agree with everything... what I mean is that there are a few stances they have that are deal breakers for me. I love a lot of what of they stand for, but there's this small fraction of their platform that I just can't justify at all. So much so, I can't vote for them.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:15 AM

View Postninjadude, on 08 November 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

out of 3550 Billion, yes. It is worth the investment for many reasons not the least of which is helping out our fellow man. 16 trillion is not hanging over your head. It's there. It doesn't have to be completely paid this year, next year, or possibly even your lifetime. It does need to be whittled down.
Whittled down that's freaking hilarious. let's talk numbers if we diverted all the foriegn aid too paying off the debt and if we don't add to it it will take 320 yrs to pay off without intrest

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:53 AM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

So what shall I do? Not vote? Who promotes my beliefs?


Well Hut, the first thing you do is lift the vail from your eyes, so you can see. GI joe wasnt kidding when he said knowing is half the battle. Once you have broken free from the paradigm, then you tell others. Right now no one promotes your beliefs, nor mine. Nor are they ever going to till we have a mass awakening. If you decide to take my advice you are in for a long hard battle, that you will probably lose. But anything is better then believeing a lie, where nothing ever really changes. Look Im lost, im no guide, but Im right by your side

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:23 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 07 November 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Comrade, the TEA Party is the only hope for this country, although I do admit that the leadership that rose up was the wackos.  But the TEA Party isn't about these losers.  It's about Fiscal responsibility, cutting spending, and paying down the debt.  I guess the TEA Party is more of a mindset, rather than a movement.


Comrade, the TEA Party wasn't what crushed Republican hopes.  It was the gays, women, and minorities that were bought for a trinket.


That is setting off red flags…


We'll see what happens in 5 to 10 years.  People think that GM can't go into bankruptcy this time?  The only way to save Detroit would be to nationalize the auto industry.  How much is that going to cost the tax payer?  It's better to let it fail and then rebuild.  That is what makes it healthier and stronger.


They always have.  The Republican party is not what the Socialists and MSM paint them out to be.  The issues were the economy and jobs, yet the President won on buy off women and gays.  This is right out of Alinski.


Well, as someone else pointed out, if it weren't for Fox news America wouldn't have even known about Fast and Furious or the Benghazi fiasco.


The war is not over.  There is no compromising with Socialism.  There are still some people that will stand up to it.  We cannot progress into the future under Socialism.  What's the point to having the Constitution if we do?  I'm not willing to give up my Rights as a human being, as so much of the world already has.  I still believe in high ideals as American Exceptionalism and that we are a beacon of light of freedom.  If we can't be that, then what's the point?


Wow, you really do not get it...but attitudes and mindsets just like yours is why GOP failed so miserably! The idiotic comments like it was the women and gays got him elected....what is wrong with you people? it was Fox News, it was Tea Party mindsets, it was anger, it was racism, it was pettiness and patheticness and the religious extremism that cost Romney a really good chance at the White House. When did the right become so delusional? so pathetic and so whiny.............and so damn embarrassing? I hope the moderates and the sane ones start speaking up to the screwballs of their party. I hope Boehner meant what he said, but with the history of the last 4 years...........time will tell.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 08 November 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Wow, you really do not get it...but attitudes and mindsets just like yours is why GOP failed so miserably! The idiotic comments like it was the women and gays got him elected....what is wrong with you people? it was Fox News, it was Tea Party mindsets, it was anger, it was racism, it was pettiness and patheticness and the religious extremism that cost Romney a really good chance at the White House. When did the right become so delusional? so pathetic and so whiny.............and so damn embarrassing? I hope the moderates and the sane ones start speaking up to the screwballs of their party. I hope Boehner meant what he said, but with the history of the last 4 years...........time will tell.

If you are running for office...and you want the majority vote.. Wouldn't it be wise to look at how the country is and the population?   The US  is built out of diversity - Gays, blacks, whites, Asians ect...and a lot of strong women ...  What you do not do is go against what your country is built on

If I voted against immigration... women's rights, along with gays...I would have shot myself in the foot and wasted a lot of time, money and energy  for nothing...That is what Romney and his party did... Obama could have coasted this  by singing nursery rhymes  to the public and still won... Romeny  backed the wrong horse ..It's a shame he did...It was a stupid move to make...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:00 PM

what REALLY happened was the right went on a Crusade....their rallying cry was GOD WILLS IT! They didn't think they had to try and connect with mere mortals when there was a divine deity whispering in their ear, driving them on.....the GOP thought their "God" would grant them a win because they are so self righteous and morally superior. .......didn't work so well. Delusions and paranoias and psychosis and temper tantrums just do not win elections............and the American people do NOT want to live under a THEOCRACY...........


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:05 PM

I learned that
Prof. Alexander Frazer Tytler was correct when he wrote the following:
“a democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority, he said, always vote for the candidate promising the most benefits from the treasury with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship”.
Unfortunately, we can't argue with the professor because when he wrote that we were still colonials of Great Britain and he was explaining what had destroyed the Athenian Republic more than 2000 years before.

Such foresight, and is there any question at all that the vast majority of Obamas votes came from those who have become dependent upon the government for their survival?
Darwinism has been circumvented in the USA and the result is the Democratic Party.....for now.  
20 Trillion dollars in debt and we may find ourselves begging England to take us back.   :cry:

Edited by Capt Amerika, 08 November 2012 - 01:06 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:09 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 08 November 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

what REALLY happened was the right went on a Crusade....their rallying cry was GOD WILLS IT! They didn't think they had to try and connect with mere mortals when there was a divine deity whispering in their ear, driving them on.....the GOP thought their "God" would grant them a win because they are so self righteous and morally superior. .......didn't work so well. Delusions and paranoias and psychosis and temper tantrums just do not win elections............and the American people do NOT want to live under a THEOCRACY...........

Funny thing about that is that i never heard one single bit about religion from the GOP.
The only talk of religion came from the DNC trying to scare America into believing that Romney's Mormon religion would wipe off on them.
You are correct in one point though, the American people DO NOT want to live under a Theocracy.
But you fail to see that we dont want to live in a Socialists state either.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:11 PM

View PostTrueBeliever, on 08 November 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

what REALLY happened was the right went on a Crusade....their rallying cry was GOD WILLS IT! They didn't think they had to try and connect with mere mortals when there was a divine deity whispering in their ear, driving them on.....the GOP thought their "God" would grant them a win because they are so self righteous and morally superior. .......didn't work so well. Delusions and paranoias and psychosis and temper tantrums just do not win elections............and the American people do NOT want to live under a THEOCRACY...........

What is that, the manuscript for next year's public school history textbook? It's never too soon for a rewrite. The ends justify the means. As long as we dispense with these Theocrats ™, it's okay to lie, cheat and steal because we can sweep it under the rug later.

Edited by Vein Capital, 08 November 2012 - 01:18 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:13 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 08 November 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

If you are running for office...and you want the majority vote.. Wouldn't it be wise to look at how the country is and the population?   The US  is built out of diversity - Gays, blacks, whites, Asians ect...and a lot of strong women ...  What you do not do is go against what your country is built on

If I voted against immigration... women's rights, along with gays...I would have shot myself in the foot and wasted a lot of time, money and energy  for nothing...That is what Romney and his party did... Obama could have coasted this  by singing nursery rhymes  to the public and still won... Romeny  backed the wrong horse ..It's a shame he did...It was a stupid move to make...

Problem is that people went to the Polls and voted based on wanting Gay Marriage and Welfare and they should have voted based on what was needed to repair the economny and make the nation strong again.
So now we have Gays being allowed to marry and we are headed for a 20 trillion dollar cliff with poor credit ratings.
Way to use your head and vote on things that really matter.
Too many selfish people in this nation.

Edited by Capt Amerika, 08 November 2012 - 01:13 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

View PostCapt Amerika, on 08 November 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

Problem is that people went to the Polls and voted based on wanting Gay Marriage and Welfare and they should have voted based on what was needed to repair the economny and make the nation strong again.
So now we have Gays being allowed to marry and we are headed for a 20 trillion dollar cliff with poor credit ratings.
Way to use your head and vote on things that really matter.
Too many selfish people in this nation.
Wouldn't gay people selfish, people like that want to expresse themselves and others.





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