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#2491    skyeagle409

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 03 February 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Don't feel bad, I believed it for 4 years.

Believe it because after more than 11 years, not one shred of evidence of a 911 government conspiracy has surfaced.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:38 PM



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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 03 February 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Believe it because after more than 11 years, not one shred of evidence of a 911 government conspiracy has surfaced.

That doesn't debunk anything. it just calls people crazy. When they show me evidence of the planes that crashed and how tower  7 came down, that will be debunking what I think. The whole fire melts steal is an opinion. The fact you have to have some parts lying around after a plane crash is not an opinion. That's a fact. You can't have a plane crash and just a big hole.


You're too worried about believing or not believing the "conspiracy theorists" and not about believing your own government. You take their word for granted. Even though they've done nothing but take your freedoms and lie to you the last 11 years.

When you can show me one time in the world a plane hit the ground and no evidence of it was at the site once in history, much less twice in the same day, that will be debunking. When you show me one time in history 1 building came down due to fire perfectly like it was demoed, much less 3 in one day, that will be debunking.

When they explain to me how tower 6 blew up even before the towers fell and they found the vault unlocked and the door wide open, even though the place was evacuated by emergency? did they stop and empty the vault while exiting the building? Would you do that?

If you were accused of a crime and had all this going against you, you can make damn sure the government would be coming for you and using all that against you.

I can understand why people ignore the proof right in front of them. Nobody wants to admit they live in a place where that
can happen. Especially in our great country.

But I'm a realist, I don't think this can happen:

No matter what you tell me, this is not a plane crash site:


https://pbs.twimg.co...A0ps1.jpg:large



And why did it take 14 months to start the 9/11 commission report and only after victim's families put pressure on them, but within 2 months the patriot Act was signed and sealed and we were in war?  <----- How crazy is this? Would you act like this if you were in power?

Ask yourself that question. Why did Bush and Cheney testify off the record and not under oath? Are these the actions of innocent men?  Do you really believe that is a plane crash sight? Not to me it doesn't look like one. That is not a  plane crash sight.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:56 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 02 February 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

You are welcome! :tu:



Actually, a video is available.



If you go back you will find where I have identified a number of B-757 parts inside and  outside the Pentagon. One of my specialties, other than as a pilot, is over 40 years as an aircraft structural technician and inspector, not to mention airframe supervisor for the USAF and defense contractors. In addition, I have designed components for air force aircraft and defense contractors. In fact,  the snap-on/off flapper valves used on the air force's C-5 transport is of my design and approved by air force engineers at Kelly AFB, TX.



I am familiar with the folks at Andrews AFB as well because I was TDY at Andrews AFB from Travis AFB in 1992. Those F-16 pilots were not trained to shoot down airliners, nor did they have the authority to do so before the last airliner crashed.  Furthermore, they were not familiar with NORAD's intercept protocol. As one F-15 from another unit had stated, he would not have shot down an airliner even if he intercepted an airliner.

In addition, some commanders refused to convey the shoot down order to their pilots for fear of shooting down the wrong aircraft. In addition, there is no way to determine if an airliner is a threat or not.



I also have over 40 years experience as a pilot and that maneuver was nothing more than a boring maneuver that I have performed as a student pilots back in the 1960s.



A further check on the facts and you will determine why the Pentagon was unable to track over $2 trillion. We did not have the capability to track that much money but the  911 conspiracy websites managed to duped some people into thinking the money was missing.

I have often stated for the record from a position of experience, beware of those 911 conspiracy websites because their goal is to dupe as many people as possible. Sometimes I share their comments with members of my two chapters, which consist of military, commercial, and private pilots. What those 911 conspiracy spew out on the Internet makes it obvious to us that they have no idea what they are talking about and in fact, I am still waiting for them to make corrections on their claims regarding ACARS, and that after I made phone calls to ARINC, the ACARS experts, who basically told me those 911 CT folks are feeding people incorrect and misleading information.

Word to the wise, ****BEWARE**** of those 911 conspiracy website because they are feeding loads of disinformation and misinformation and false information that I know,  does not occur in the real world of aviation.

There is no video that shows a plane. There are couple that show something hitting it. Hard to believe you wouldn't be able to tell it was a plane. The planes that hit the WTC were pretty easy to spot. Not sure why this would be any different, especially since there are way more camera around the Pentagon. But all we get is a whole flash. Not consistent with a plane at all.

See, you can say all you want about how you know there were airplane parts there but none were ever found. Not ones from a 757 at least. I'm sure if there were they would've have brought them up as evidence.

yep, the FDR cut off 6 seconds from impact. That is really weird. You can't explain that away.

And the fact they couldn't find one black box at the WTC but found a passport and id in perfect condition? the panes wnet poof but a passport was the main evidence to blame the hijackers (but never convict them.)

Can you explain why 163 out of 500 people questioned said they heard explosions, but none were ever tested for? Not only that, they shipped the rubble out as fast as possible and wouldn't let anybody near it.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:58 AM

I do however appreciate that pic of that hole in the ground. I think i will look into that a little more. That's the best debunking I've seen.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:00 AM

View PostSpeakTheTruth, on 04 February 2013 - 04:46 AM, said:

That doesn't debunk anything. it just calls people crazy. When they show me evidence of the planes that crashed...

There are videos of the aircraft crashing into WTC1, WTC2, and the Pentagon.

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...and how tower  7 came down, that will be debunking what I think.

Fire caused the collapse of WTC7 and it suffered from impact damage as well..

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The whole fire melts steal is an opinion.

The temperatures never reached the melting point of steel.

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...The fact you have to have some parts lying around after a plane crash is not an opinion.

It is a fact. I have identified B-757 parts at the Pentagon and near Shanksville, right  down to the hi-lock fasteners.

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You can't have a plane crash and just a big hole.

Yes  you can! Did you check out that photo of the crash site of the Caspian Airlines Tu-154? All that was left was a hole and at the crash site of PSA 1771, there were pieces of aircaft the size of your fist.

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You're too worried about believing or not believing the "conspiracy theorists" and not about believing your own government.

You can take the government out of the picture and still have a number of private and commercial companies confirming the official story.

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You take their word for granted. Even though they've done nothing but take your freedoms and lie to you the last 11 years.

On the contrary, I have posted fleet histories of American Airlines and United Airlines showing where they lost two B-767s and two B-757s due to the 911 attacks. In addition, both airlines confirmed the loss of their aircraft.

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When you can show me one time in the world a plane hit the ground and no evidence...

There is always evidence. Let's take a look at the following photos beginning with United 93..

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:03 AM

View PostSpeakTheTruth, on 04 February 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

I do however appreciate that pic of that hole in the ground. I think i will look into that a little more. That's the best debunking I've seen.

Check out this photo of PSA 1771 and understand that no intact bodies were found at the crash site.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:09 AM

View PostSpeakTheTruth, on 04 February 2013 - 04:46 AM, said:

When they explain to me how tower 6 blew up even before the towers fell and they found the vault unlocked and the door wide open, even though the place was evacuated by emergency? did they stop and empty the vault while exiting the building? Would you do that?

Firefighters issued warnings to clear certain areas.

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And why did it take 14 months to start the 9/11 commission report and only after victim's families put pressure on them, but within 2 months the patriot Act was signed and sealed and we were in war?  <----- How crazy is this? Would you act like this if you were in power?


In some cases, investigations can take years to complete.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:20 AM

View PostSpeakTheTruth, on 04 February 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:


See, you can say all you want about how you know there were airplane parts there but none were ever found. Not ones from a 757 at least. I'm sure if there were they would've have brought them up as evidence.

Check out the following photos of American 77.

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B-757 landing gear struck inside the Pentagon.

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You can see the B-757 in the background just before it struck the Pentagon.

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Note the wing ribs and honeycomb core.

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Now, check out this video.



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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:38 AM

View PostSpeakTheTruth, on 04 February 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

yep, the FDR cut off 6 seconds from impact. That is really weird. You can't explain that away.

Check this out.

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Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon

http://journalof911s...ltimeter_92.pdf

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And the fact they couldn't find one black box at the WTC but found a passport and id in perfect condition? the panes wnet poof but a passport was the main evidence to blame the hijackers (but never convict them.)

Passports and other documents have been known to survive aircraft accidents.

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Can you explain why 163 out of 500 people questioned said they heard explosions, but none were ever tested for? Not only that, they shipped the rubble out as fast as possible and wouldn't let anybody near it.

No problem, and I have brought this up before. During a wind storm in Hawaii, people were reporting explosion-like sounds, but the sounds were later attributed to the break up of buildings and nothing to do with explosives. People who have never heard real bomb explosions can easily misidentify certain sounds as bomb explosions

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:45 AM

Now, let's examine the fleet history of American Airlines. From the following link, you will notice that there were B-767s and B-757s written off. Click on those numbers in order to determine why those aircraft were written off.

http://www.planespot...erican-Airlines


The following video confirms the loss of American 11 and American 77.



The following photo taken at the Pentagon depicting wing flaps from American 77.

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Go to this link and you will notice the registration number for American 77 has been deregistered.

http://registry.faa....Numbertxt=644AA

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:09 AM

View Postbee, on 22 September 2011 - 12:51 PM, said:

very funny.... :rolleyes: .......no just a bog standard missile





so YOU say........ Posted Image



Just as I started doing my own research....someone gave me a tip on another forum.


To go to live reports when events were unfolding....(before a multi-facetted cover-up

got underway).....my words in brackets not theirs... but that was the gist of what they said.



no-one seems to be taking any notice of the live CNN reports that I've posted?

That is a big thing for me too. How the media changed from day one to day 2.  After that, I don't believe any "eyewitnesses" on either side. I do however believe those people that heard bombs go off and hell, we can hear them go off.

You can't change what we hear live and they can't rig that. But we can hear what they say live and when they start ignoring what they said on day 1 while it was live. They ignore those bombs and tower 7. A coincidence?


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:28 AM

Ever notice how they always stop as soon as the wings are about to hit the wall? They can't explain what happened to the wings when it hit the building and a perfect hole came out the other end.

http://www.youtube.c...v=YVDdjLQkUV8#!

Edited by SpeakTheTruth, 04 February 2013 - 06:28 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:29 AM

View PostSpeakTheTruth, on 04 February 2013 - 06:09 AM, said:

That is a big thing for me too. How the media changed from day one to day 2.  After that, I don't believe any "eyewitnesses" on either side. I do however believe those people that heard bombs go off and hell, we can hear them go off.

There were no bombs because no explosions were seen nor detected. This are sounds that someone would describe as explosions.



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Fire, Not Extra Explosives, Doomed Buildings, Expert Says

By John Fleck
Journal Staff Writer


A New Mexico explosives expert says he now believes there were no explosives in the World Trade Center towers, contrary to comments he made the day of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack.
"Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail," said Van Romero, a vice president at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. The day of the attack, Romero told the Journal the towers' collapse, as seen in news videotapes, looked as though it had been triggered by carefully placed explosives.

Subsequent conversations with structural engineers and more detailed looks at the tape have led Romero to a different conclusion. Romero supports other experts, who have said the intense heat of the jet fuel fires weakened the skyscrapers' steel structural beams to the point that they gave way under the weight of the floors above. That set off a chain reaction, as upper floors pancaked onto lower ones.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:33 AM

View PostSpeakTheTruth, on 04 February 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

Ever notice how they always stop as soon as the wings are about to hit the wall? They can't explain what happened to the wings when it hit the building and a perfect hole came out the other end.

http://www.youtube.c...v=YVDdjLQkUV8#!

The wings will shatter into smaller pieces. In a photo, you can see wing ribs inside the Pentagon. Let's take a look at what happened when a B-25 struck the Empire State Building. Where are the wings of the bomber?

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