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[steverino1176]

I personally never did see or hear of a boyfriend or any potential boyfriend. Im sure that I never knew of one anf Im pretty positive my ex would have mentioned one o a posible boyfriend. Never heard of stalking or a clingy person. That would be someone great to talk to if anyone had heard of pne. I don't ever recall her interested in DeVry or an older crowd of any sort.Random and repeated comment, but that bodysuit wasnt hers. If there are two men involved I think one did the majority of the murder on Angela and the other on Melanie. I feel if there are two men, that's why the scenes and patterns are different. As we know there was the same male at both scenes and somehow involved. I have plenty of names of people who would probably be able to gelp more. I don't thing I should just put them on a website though.

Edited by steverino1176, 22 October 2012 - 10:16 PM.

[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

Thanks for your responce to all my questions Steve.The only ones I have left to ask you is what side of the canal would she ride on and which canal bank was the blood found by the jogger?

Edited by Lucas North-justiceseeker, 22 October 2012 - 10:43 PM.

[steverino1176]

I cant say with complete confidence, but I recall the South side was the evidence. I say that because Im pretty darn sure the vigil was on the North. They weren't being allowed over ther while the PD was searching for evidence. I truly believe my statement, but there's a chance im wrong. Like I said I couldn't attend due to mandatory athletics. Melanie wad a big, strong,athletic young lady. It would take a lot to subdue her even if shecwas surprised.

[steverino1176]

If she ws riding in that area I would say it's on the south side. I really don't feel, with the info I've heard and realistically take into account, that she was biking that far northwest. If she was, I would say the southside. That would be the closest side of rhe canal for her to get onto from her house. I rode and jogged the same cabak as her. If you're going to take a longer bikeride or jog you want to be on your house side. That's logical, if something went wrong you wouldn't gave a mile or so to go to cross the canal and quicker access to home/safety. I know probably didn't know that, but didn't want to come across as sarcastic. I have great respect for your great efforts.

Edited by steverino1176, 22 October 2012 - 11:09 PM.

[SandyBeaches]

Based on where Melanie lived, a bike ride to metro center would be quite a ride. I calculate it to be 8 to 10 miles. Plus Once you get past the Biltmore you have some rough neighborhoods to cross through. Unless she was a marathon biker I would think she would have stayed closer to home. What do you know about her biking patterns? Do you think she rode all the way to metro or was she taken from somewhere close to her home and brought there?  

If she was brought there, do we know if any of the guys at woodstone , the WDL group, work in the area of Melanie’s home? Since we have DNA linking the 2 crimes, what would cause the 2 girls from different ends of the city to be chosen, and then dumped in the same place.

There is not much info out there about Melanie, that I can find on the internet. But the more I read the more I wonder, Did the killers live by Angie or by Melanie? Since DNA leads me to believe the same person was at both murders, which way were they going?

I would think that since these 2 cases are  similar, the police didn’t give out as much information about Melanie as they did about Angie. As you guys know, I am completely against what the media has to say, but if you find any articles please share.

[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

I am going to look through my article collection and see what I can find on Melanie and post it on here.Now I have bigger fish to fry:the fisherman(sorry,that was lame).I need information on Mark Quall's aka "Rambo",aka"the fisherking".He lived on Alice avenue with his Mother south of Dunlap avenue and south of the canal.He aparently would fish in the canal daily and was well known to locals.First thing we need is conformation if he was in fact murdered roughly 5 years ago.Second thing was he tested for dna? Third did he make incriminating statements to friends/relatives/aquaintences? Fourth is there any link to him and Ronnie,Chris,John,William Dewain Loyd or the individual who aparently had Brosso's missing bicycle? Fith does anybody have any information about him whatsoever outside of knowing "he was the guy who found the head"?

[steverino1176]

I dont know her exact biking patterns, but i do feel that she used good judgement and wouldn't have biked from her house in the evening and go that far once it turned dark. It wouldnt make sense. I just feel and recall hearing and reading about her being abducted in the area of her house. That would almost be a 2 hour bikeride. I dont buy that she biked that far and in that area of town. She lived near scottsdale! The canal goes through there too. Why go to a possibly dangerous area.

Edited by steverino1176, 24 October 2012 - 03:15 AM.

[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

Why where both bodies dumped on the SOUTHERN bank?Whats south of there? The devry institute of technology and Mark Qualls home.Those are two things that come to mind.Angela's head discovered at 8:30 on a FRIDAY MOURNING.Melanies body discovered east of the freeway in the canal at 10 am on a WEDNESDAY MOURNING.

Edited by Lucas North-justiceseeker, 24 October 2012 - 03:38 AM.

[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

The following is an exact transcipt of an article from the Arizona Republic's September 24 1993 edition.The author of the article was William Hermann.The article's title was;"Girl's slaying echos decapitation case.Both involve bike,canal.but police aren't tying the 2". "Phoenix police concede that there are similarities in the slaying of 17-year-old Melanie Bernas this week and the decapitation of Angela Brosso last November,but police aren't ready to say the two are connected.Police divers and homicide detectives Thursday continues to search in and around the Arizona Canal near Dunlap Avenue and Interstate 17,where Bernas' body was discovered about 10 am Wednesday.Authorities would not comment on whether they found any evidence in the search but said Bernas' green mountain bike was missing.The body of the Arcadia High School junior was found in the water about 100 yards away from the canal grate where the head of Brosso,22,was found Nov.19.A popular bike path runs along the bank.Brosso's body had been found 10 days earlier near a bike trail close to her apartment in the 2500 block of West Cactus Road,about a mile from where her head was found.She had left her home the evening of Nov.8 for a short bike ride.Her killer has not been identified."Of course there are similarities in the two incidents",said Detective Leo Speliopoulos,a Phoenix Police spokesman."The crime scences are geographicaly close,both victims are young women,and in both cases,the bicycles they apparently were riding are missing".Bernas was last seen by her mother Tuesday at their home in the 4200 block of East Osborn Road about 7pm.,when the mother went to dinner.When she returned,Bernas was gone,although it was not unusual for her to ride her bike in the evening,police said.About 2am. Wednesday,the mother called police.Six hours later,a missing-persons report was made,but shorty afterward Bernas' body was found in the canal,police said."Melanie rode her bike fairly often and had been up here(on the canal) before,police said."We are not positive,however,that the murder was commited there,though blood was found at this site by a person on the trail Tuesday mourning.Shortly afterward police found the body.Speliopoulos said that although there are similarities in the Brosso killing and Bernas' death,"Melanie did not suffer the kind of wounds that Angela Brosso did.""Melanie had upper-body trauma,but the wounds are significantly different",he said.Police want to talk to a man who may have information about Bernas' death.They say the man is not a suspect but an "investigative lead"who may have seen something relating to the slaying.The man is described as a thinly built Angelo,6 feet tall,with wavy,dirty blond hair.He was last seen wearing light or faded jeans and a brown long-sleeve shirt.Homicide detectives are hoping someone who saw some aspect of the crime will come forward."Perhaps there was a bicyclist or a jogger who saw something,and they can tell us what they saw'he said."Perhaps the perpetrator of the crime approached another bicyclist,or jumped out at someone.Or perhaps someone on the trail saw a person,or accomplice or car,that they can tell us about."Police say Bernas was riding a 1992 SPC Hardrock Sport bicycle with 21 speeds.Anyone with information that may help is asked to call police." -Afterword-In march 1994,"biological evidence" linked the Brosso/Bernas homicides.The current number for silent witness is 480- witness.

Edited by Lucas North-justiceseeker, 24 October 2012 - 09:41 PM.

[steverino1176]

Is that description supposed to mean a 6 ft Anglo or a dude named Angelo? Not trying to make light of it. If its a guy named Angelo I never have known one. If its a white guy with that description I have no idea. I guess I could think of some, but none that were creeping Melanie out. At least near her home. I do kbow a gug that looks like that and runs and bikes the streets and canals for miles. He's mentally disturbed do to a head injury years ago. He's called the Running Man. The guy doesn't stop biking or running.

[SandyBeaches]

Lucas North-justiceseeker, on 24 October 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

Why where both bodies dumped on the SOUTHERN bank?

Angies body was not found on the southern bank, and I thought the rest of her was found in the canal. Help me understand what yuo are trying to establish. BTW who found Melanie? Same Fisherman?

[SandyBeaches]

Anglo is defined as
a white American of non-Hispanic descent, as distinguished especially from an American of Mexican or Spanish descent.

an English-speaking person in a place where English is not the language of the majority.

[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

I ment Angela's head was dumped on the southern bank.The police found Melanie after a "jogger spotted blood on one canal bank".Angela's body was found south of Cactus Road and 25th avenue in what was then a dirt field off a bike trail that extends from near 19th and Greenway south following the Arizona Canal Diversion Channel to the northern bike trail along the Arizona canal.

Edited by Lucas North-justiceseeker, 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM.

[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

Has anyone on here seen or read either the movie or book Silence of the lambs? I am going to watch the movie again tonight and see if I can find parellels to fiction and reality.The killer copied Buffalo Bill in his "skinning" of Angela Brosso's corpse.What else did he copy? Melanie was dumped in a canal,in the movie Buffalo Bill dumped several of his victims in the river.

[Lucas North-justiceseeker]

I am again asking for new people to join the thread.We cannot let it die,this thread is the only thing that is keeping alive any chance for these cases to be solved.Look at what we have acomplished in the last year;finding out about Melanie being hit by a car,the warlocks theory,WDL,Ronnie,Chris,John and the unidentified person with the purple bike ect.This new knowledge that came to light over the last year has dramaticly changed the way we can look at the investigation.We still need more,lets keep up the good work.