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Pope Benedict Has Resigned - effective 28 Feb

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#91    keithisco

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 12 February 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Wiki says 1.1 billion are Catholics from a total of 2.1 billion Christains. So sticking with 1.1 billion, and bearing in mind thats a huge amount of people, how is the Catholic Church out of touch? Lets take a broader view of the world and consider other faiths. As the vast majority of the worlds population are religious how are religions out of touch?

It is shear arrogance that a minority who have no faith should claim that their opinions on abortion, contraception, homosexuality and women rights are correct or wanted by other people. The vast majority of the worlds population doesnt agree with you.

Interesting, that is also the same figure that Wiki quotes for people who are Irreligious.!!  I find it arrogant that people who claim to be RC (based on Communion Records - not including people who denounce and leave the RC Cult) try forcing their outmoded and Middle Ages beliefs on the majority of Non - RC Cultists


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:39 PM

looking at the world population numbers it seems to me that you should be looking at how many don't believe rather than how many do
i'm tooooo lazy to figure out the exact fraction but 2.1 is roughly just over one quarter of the world population 1.1 is just over one eighth   so if this popularity contest between religions actually matters somewhere then they are both failing. somewhere between 3/5s and 3/4 don't believe that way  I  don't know the totals or percentages for atheist and agnostic  but i know that there are more every year( and there are areas in the world that you DON'T tell anyone that you do not believe, they will kill you for it.)  the same goes for islam and for budist and for hindu.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:21 AM

All things said,I think Ozzy should be the next Pope.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:09 AM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 12 February 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:



How is the Catholic Church out of touch with the world when it has 1.8 billion followers?

Its interesting to see how mucnh of the worlds population is religious. Heres the biggest religions -
Christainity - 2.1 billion
Islam - 1.6 billion
Hinduism - 1.4 billion
Buddism - 400 million

That alone is 5.5 billion people and with other religions added it would be higher. It is clearly obvious that the vast majority of the worlds people dont agree with atheism. In certain countries (mentioning no names) the shear arrogance of the atheists/liberals in claiming they are right and everyone else on the planet thinks the same as them is unbelievable.

The number of Catholics is grossly over-estimated. Considering in order to not 'be' a Catholic you have to write to them to emancipate yourself, and considering that most people wouldn't bother doing so, it becomes impossible to say with any certainty how many Catholics there actually are in the World. I was brought up Catholic, but I don't consider myself to be so, yet the Church does.

The statistics are horribly skewed. I wouldn't be surprised if the number was less than half of what the Church claims.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 13 February 2013 - 07:11 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:52 AM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 13 February 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

The number of Catholics is grossly over-estimated. Considering in order to not 'be' a Catholic you have to write to them to emancipate yourself, and considering that most people wouldn't bother doing so, it becomes impossible to say with any certainty how many Catholics there actually are in the World. I was brought up Catholic, but I don't consider myself to be so, yet the Church does.

The statistics are horribly skewed. I wouldn't be surprised if the number was less than half of what the Church claims.
This Pope removed that option. There is no way to withdraw from the church short of death.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:16 AM

Isn't all this a little less than honest, if you are going to use numbers in a horse race?

The situation with Buddhism is interesting, since it is an open (tolerant) religion, it permits people to be both Buddhist and something else, and most of the population of China, Korea and Japan are exactly that.  Do we count all these people three times (in China)?


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

Tracking the number of people who call themselves agnostic or atheist is a far better indication of the religious status of a nation. This is because for most people saying you are a Catholic or a Protestant is a default position which requires almost no committment to active participation in religious practice.
To declare yourself an agnostic or an atheist requires an act of will to declare that you are positively not a member of a religious denomination.

When you look at figures across the world the rise of agnostism and atheism is much stronger than the rise or decline of a declaration of faith. In Ireland those declaring catholisim  has dropped by 10% over the last decade (from a 90% baseline), whilst those declaring atheism/agnostism has risen by 400%.

The secular are winning the demographic battle of faith and increasingly so among the young who will define the faith of our collective future.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 13 February 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Tracking the number of people who call themselves agnostic or atheist is a far better indication of the religious status of a nation. This is because for most people saying you are a Catholic or a Protestant is a default position which requires almost no committment to active participation in religious practice.
To declare yourself an agnostic or an atheist requires an act of will to declare that you are positively not a member of a religious denomination.

When you look at figures across the world the rise of agnostism and atheism is much stronger than the rise or decline of a declaration of faith. In Ireland those declaring catholisim  has dropped by 10% over the last decade (from a 90% baseline), whilst those declaring atheism/agnostism has risen by 400%.

The secular are winning the demographic battle of faith and increasingly so among the young who will define the faith of our collective future.

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I agree with you in this.  Though I think it might be better called the LACK of faith in anything but oneself.  The youth could hardly do worse than following organized religion, but imagining that the sum of everything is contained in one's own imagining is folly of the saddest order IMO.  Hopefully they will at least try to adhere to some ethical/moral code of their own choosing.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 11 February 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Ha...how's this for a titty twister!

Apparently someone is either very angry or very happy at the days announcement!

Yes, this happened after the announcement of the resignation...


and heres the vid




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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

View Postand then, on 13 February 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

I agree with you in this.  Though I think it might be better called the LACK of faith in anything but oneself.  The youth could hardly do worse than following organized religion, but imagining that the sum of everything is contained in one's own imagining is folly of the saddest order IMO.  Hopefully they will at least try to adhere to some ethical/moral code of their own choosing.
It is a mistake to assume to look within for moral guidance is any less moral than taking your moral code wholsale from a religion. I will bet that I am as moral as yourself and yet I am an atheist/agnostic at this stage. Morality for me is about making choices which make the world a fairer and better place for all people. I would say that the 10 commandments make an equally valid code for the secular person (apart from the one about false gods) simply because they are the distillation of millenia of cultural tradition about what makes society function.

Most people would declare themselves agnostic which retains the belief in an external guiding principle, what they have given up on is a of moral and social prescriptions which no longer make sense in that they ignore human needs and dispositions. Religion has held sway throughout its history by threat and people are no longer willing to be cowed by threats of retribution when they see religious leaders breaking almost all of the moral codes which they force on believers.

The world is refusing to accept hypocracy in its religious leaders and its political leaders alike. I see the future as been highly moral and bright when the real sanctity of the individual human is acknowledged and accepted as the ultimate guiding principle.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

will he go to court now and stand trial for his allegations of covering up child abuse in the 80s or whenever it was


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

View Postali smack, on 13 February 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

will he go to court now and stand trial for his allegations of covering up child abuse in the 80s or whenever it was

Covering up child abuse is a current theme. It is still going on within the RC Cult.

What I find extraordinary in his Statement today is that he says that he is failing both Physically, AND SPIRITUALLY!!!

Is he losing his Faith in the existence of a God, or is he so Disillusioned with the Roman Catholic Church that he wants out?? The latter of course will never be allowed, he will "die peacefully in his sleep" before that happens  with a little assistance from the Swiss Guard perhaps....


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

here we go down this ride

Why the buzz over St. Malachy's 'last pope' prophecy outdoes 2012 hype


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i will be on the look out fo a name, lol


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:59 PM

We should take the resignation at face value; there is no hint of anything more.  He's an old man.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:17 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 February 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

We should take the resignation at face value; there is no hint of anything more.  He's an old man.

Of course there is more: "What I find extraordinary in his Statement today is that he says that he is failing both Physically, AND SPIRITUALLY!!!"






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