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[DingoLingo]

Sorry was on the phone to the girl friend.. she is flying over to visit me for my birthday next week

zoser, on 10 February 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

So do we have layers and layers of ancient soot in all of the tombs and temples or don't we?  Because if they used torches to assist them in their considerable artistic efforts there should be.

Yet some claim there is no such thing to be found.  A little soot residue could have been caused by anyone.

It's so simple.

it can be found.. all the tombs have soot in them.. even the temples.. oil lamps were the common lighting source in ancient egypt..

zoser, on 10 February 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

I think that's a cop out.  Plenty of people researching it now who have never appeared on the History Channel.

All over the internet, and in all good bookshops.

there you go.. you answered your own statement..

write a good book.. and get invited to do talks etc.. the guys that go on history channel and the likes.. do not do it for free..

zoser, on 10 February 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Shooting blanks?

Granite stacks for no reason, acoustic tuning and partial isolation of granite stacks, major differences in limestone composition for no reason, accuracy of construction unachievable by modern standards, copper electrodes in shafts...............

To deny is your privilage if counter argument fails.

look at houdins clip.. and really look at his theory.. do not dismiss it.. it explains the granite stacks perfectly..

the accuracy of construction.. how many times has this have to be explained to you .. honestly?.. do yourself a favor.. go join a local medieval recreation group.. listen to the craft masters talk about finding out how something was made long ago.. the skills that have been lost over thousands of years..

zoser, on 10 February 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

People agree that a Roman Amphitheatre was just that.  Never any argument or controversy.

Not so with the GP.  People smell a rat.  A great big one too.

honestly.. its only a small majority of people in the scheme of things.. who are hoping for something more to their life.. go visit egypt.. talk too the group you tour with.. and with other groups there.. I would be surprised if 1 in 1000 people who are there say man did not make it.. or its a giant generator.. really its only a small group who believe this..

[Abramelin]

Lord Vetinari, on 10 February 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

By "Hundreds of years of Soot", do they mean it had been there for hundreds of Years, or it was the accumulated Soot from hundreds of years of burning things? Where would the Soot have come from? from the builders' torches that they used for Illumination, is that the argument we're proceeding wth? Just wanted to make clear exactly what it is people are arguing about.

It was the accumulated soot from hundreds of years of burning torches that they used for illumination.

zoser, on 10 February 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

Don't get technical LV; you will really confuse them.

Soot is soot and that means no aliens period.

You're right: the aliens used torches (ie: not flashlights, British, lol). And oil lamps of course.

They used the oil from  the patrol tanks of their flying saucers.

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Edited by Abramelin, 10 February 2013 - 12:10 PM.

[seeder]

DingoLingo, on 10 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

go visit egypt.. talk too the group you tour with.. and with other groups there.. I would be surprised if 1 in 1000 people who are there say man did not make it.. or its a giant generator.. really its only a small group who believe this..

he doesnt need to, Ive already looked up the top experts working at and for the British Museum... he, if he really works there, is in 'real expert' heaven!

he also has there many interesting Egyptian artifacts NOT on public display, and the experts...real experts, who study them.  he can just ask them... but prolly wont as he knows this belief is a load of tosh

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Abramelin, on 10 February 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

It was the accumulated soot from hundreds of years of burning torches that they used for illumination.



You're right: the aliens used torches (ie: not flashlights, British, lol). And oil lamps of course.

They used the oil from  the patrol tanks of their flying saucers.

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So it was the builders, you mean, is that what you're saying? because people wouldn't have used the Pyramids for hundreds of years, would they, once they'd stuck the King in, if they did, they'd have shut it up again. That wouldn't have taken long enough for soot to build up everywhere. So did the process of building it takes hundreds of years?

[DingoLingo]

Lord Vetinari, on 10 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

So it was the builders, you mean, is that what you're saying? because people wouldn't have used the Pyramids for hundreds of years, would they, once they'd stuck the King in, if they did, they'd have shut it up again. That wouldn't have taken long enough for soot to build up everywhere. So did the process of building it takes hundreds of years?

the soot inside the pyramids is only from a short time during the construction etc.. the temples.. 100 of years worth.. the AA crowd say there has never been any soot found in either.. yet.. it has..

basically it comes down to the whole AA show in regards to the lighting of the pyramids and temples

AA: “According to most mainstream archaeologists torches were used by the ancient Egyptians to light the pitch black chambers of tombs and temples, yet nowhere on the ceilings it there even the slightest evidence of soot or smoke residue.”

It’s hard to know why they are saying this because there is black soot in almost every Egyptian temple and tomb.

In fact a recent ceiling cleaning conducted at the Temple of Hathor, which is the same temple where the so-called light bulb relief is found, they uncovered a brightly colored ancient ceiling painting that had never before been noticed.
What was covering it up you ask? I will quote them directly, they said the ceiling was covered with “hundreds of years of black soot”

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

So we're talking about the Temples having all the soot? Well, that makes more sense. I thought they didn't hang around in the Pyramids any longer than they needed to once they'd done what they needed to do.
No wonder, since the moment they put the cap stone on it would turn on and begin beaming energy to, or from, the stars. You wouldn't want to hang around inside one of those when it's running, would you.

[seeder]

Lord Vetinari, on 10 February 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

No wonder, since the moment they put the cap stone on

zero evidence of a capstone exists.  Was it stolen? Or wasn't the mid even finished?

Ive asked zoser that... oooh... about 6 times now and he cant find the answer!! In fact he hasn't even replied on it. Plus various parts of it were not finished or were abandoned while building it. Now why could that be the case? All questions like that totally stump AA'ers.

[Abramelin]

Lord Vetinari, on 10 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

So it was the builders, you mean, is that what you're saying? because people wouldn't have used the Pyramids for hundreds of years, would they, once they'd stuck the King in, if they did, they'd have shut it up again. That wouldn't have taken long enough for soot to build up everywhere. So did the process of building it takes hundreds of years?

This is about the temple in Dendera. That's where they found those depictions of what some love to call 'lightbulbs'.

[zoser]

DingoLingo, on 10 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Sorry was on the phone to the girl friend.. she is flying over to visit me for my birthday next week

it can be found.. all the tombs have soot in them.. even the temples.. oil lamps were the common lighting source in ancient egypt..

Ancient soot or recent soot?  How do you know?  The Upper chamber was originally very blackened it's true.  Was it from construction, people that entered it later, or was it as a result of the power generation that took place in there?  You haven't established that yet despite all the rantings.

DingoLingo, on 10 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

there you go.. you answered your own statement..

write a good book.. and get invited to do talks etc.. the guys that go on history channel and the likes.. do not do it for free..

A little light hearted irony there that you fell into.  Never mind.

DingoLingo, on 10 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

look at houdins clip.. and really look at his theory.. do not dismiss it.. it explains the granite stacks perfectly..

It actually explains nothing.  How it was cut, positioned, lifted, and what it's purpose was.  Remember the same kind of granite does not exist above the middle chamber.


It would appear the reason Mark Lehner and the Japanese team from Nissan failed to reconstruct even miniature models of the Great Pyramid is that the required technique is beyond our technology, even today! Egyptologists still claim that all work has been done using primitive chisels and hammers, the Egyptians simply had plenty of time and plenty of slaves to do the job.

The sarcophagi that were found inside the chambers of the pyramids are made of extremely hard granite. Although no mummy was ever found inside these sarcophagi, Egyptologists still want us to believe that they were used as coffins. They even came up with the primitive tools that were used to hollow the granite blocks for the sarcophagus; a hard diorite ball on a stick used to batter the rock.

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DingoLingo, on 10 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

the accuracy of construction.. how many times has this have to be explained to you .. honestly?.. do yourself a favor.. go join a local medieval recreation group.. listen to the craft masters talk about finding out how something was made long ago.. the skills that have been lost over thousands of years..

You need to take a course in engineering or machining to appreciate how unbelievably difficult it is to achieve precision granite work.  Look at Protzen.  His team couldn't do it.  Neither could  Mark Lehner or the Japanese by the way.

If it was easy why do suppose neither of the three teams could do it and replicate the accuracy.  Even though they used modern machines.

Think it through.

DingoLingo, on 10 February 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

honestly.. its only a small majority of people in the scheme of things.. who are hoping for something more to their life.. go visit egypt.. talk too the group you tour with.. and with other groups there.. I would be surprised if 1 in 1000 people who are there say man did not make it.. or its a giant generator.. really its only a small group who believe this..

That small group is getting larger and larger.  The mainstream fairy tales have been circulating in the world for hundreds of years.  The counter theories for about 40.  It's catching on.

Edited by zoser, 10 February 2013 - 02:44 PM.

[zoser]

seeder, on 10 February 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

he doesnt need to, Ive already looked up the top experts working at and for the British Museum... he, if he really works there, is in 'real expert' heaven!

Saying of Zoser: "There are no experts; just those who have dabbled".

seeder, on 10 February 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

he also has there many interesting Egyptian artifacts NOT on public display, and the experts...real experts, who study them.  he can just ask them... but prolly wont as he knows this belief is a load of tosh

Another saying of Zoser;

"In all things there exists unseen things behind what is seen.  This in the end is where the telling explanations are to be found".

[Esoteric Toad]

Ok assuming the AA folks are correct. SO WHAT? What difference does it make now? Unless you can prove there i s some sort of direct line to the Alienz that we can pick and say "hey the doohicky you built quit working can you come back here and fix it?" it changes nothing about our past or present, nothing. Well, not nothing, some people are making a living claiming the AA stuff but otherwise the world has moved on and those backward folks that study these things and do not accept AA are still making discoveries and the rest of the world is moving on without any idea that AA made giant powerstations thousands of years ago. What does it matter now? Do you or any of the other 'experts' have any idea how to recreate these amazing (non-documented by ANY civilization) things work again?

If ancient man knew stuff we do not but we cannot find it nor recreate it then it is nothing more than a nice story without any importance at all. Based on what I have read it should be easy for the AA experts to recreate these things on a small scale and save the world from an energy crisis.....seems that would beat flogging crappy books and doing speaking circuits to a couple of hundred tin foil wearing crowds....JMO.

[DONTEATUS]

zoser, on 10 February 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Saying of Zoser: "There are no experts; just those who have dabbled".



Another saying of Zoser;

"In all things there exists unseen things behind what is seen.  This in the end is where the telling explanations are to be found".

ANd Like many things in our world,This Thread Should Read " Wishing The Ancient Alien Theory was True"

[Abramelin]

We will remember it from now on as: TWTAATWT


The Wishing The Ancient Aliens Theory Was True thread.



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Edited by Abramelin, 10 February 2013 - 03:32 PM.

[zoser]

Esoteric Toad, on 10 February 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ok assuming the AA folks are correct. SO WHAT? What difference does it make now? Unless you can prove there i s some sort of direct line to the Alienz that we can pick and say "hey the doohicky you built quit working can you come back here and fix it?" it changes nothing about our past or present, nothing. Well, not nothing, some people are making a living claiming the AA stuff but otherwise the world has moved on and those backward folks that study these things and do not accept AA are still making discoveries and the rest of the world is moving on without any idea that AA made giant powerstations thousands of years ago. What does it matter now? Do you or any of the other 'experts' have any idea how to recreate these amazing (non-documented by ANY civilization) things work again?

If ancient man knew stuff we do not but we cannot find it nor recreate it then it is nothing more than a nice story without any importance at all. Based on what I have read it should be easy for the AA experts to recreate these things on a small scale and save the world from an energy crisis.....seems that would beat flogging crappy books and doing speaking circuits to a couple of hundred tin foil wearing crowds....JMO.

It depends on one's centre of gravity or if you like centre of interest.  

If they were here then why?  What if any vested interest did they have on kick starting man's evolution?  Why would any visitors need to?  Was the human race off track?  If so what track?

Does something require a return (spiritual or otherwise) from the human race?  Do other intelligences rely on a return from the human race?  If so how and in what way?

Finally have some visitors made the situation here worse?  Have human genetics been interfered with?  There are religious writings that say that this is so.  Again if so how?  What is the implication of this?  Are we today the result of that interference?  Does that explain why the human race has become so perverse over the last few thousand years?  is that why we do not know what we are supposed to be doing any more?

Sorry to make your life difficult.

You did ask.

Edited by zoser, 10 February 2013 - 03:41 PM.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 10 February 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

We will remember it from now on as: TWTAATWT


The Wishing The Ancient Aliens Theory Was True thread.

Preferable to:

Childish Ravings Archaeologists Perpetuate.