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[OverSword]

I see all this hype in the media in the USA about the queen's diamond jubilee (thats a 75th anniversary for the rest of us but apparently it's 60th if your extra priveledged) What is the big deal?  Does your monarchy actually serve a function?  Do you really feel patriotic loyalty to this family historically consisting of some of the most messed up greedy inbred weirdos in the history of the world?

Sure, I'm trolling a bit, but I honestly would like to see some of your input.

[ouija ouija]

It is NOT a big deal for the majority of us. Sure people enjoy having a few days off work because of it and the excuse for a street party, but that party is just for the people that are there.
No, the monarchy doesn't actually serve a function ........ other than making the downtrodden feel even more aggrieved.
There is a growing movement to have them replaced.

[itsnotoutthere]

'Inbred greedy weirdos'....this from somebody from the country that produced George W. Bush, a man so thick he could bearing string a sentence together without making up totally ficticious words. Or Bill 'better take that dress to the cleaners tomorrow monica' Clinton. Or J. Edger 'call me sally' Hoover.

[OverSword]

itsnotoutthere, on 06 June 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

'Inbred greedy weirdos'....this from somebody from the country that produced George W. Bush, a man so thick he could bearing string a sentence together without making up totally ficticious words. Or Bill 'better take that dress to the cleaners tomorrow monica' Clinton. Or J. Edger 'call me sally' Hoover.

Keep in mind that GWB and the Windsor's are cousins, and all of those people you mentioned aren't loved and respected just because they were born (OK, except for GWB - LOL!)

[OverSword]

ouija ouija, on 06 June 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

It is NOT a big deal for the majority of us. Sure people enjoy having a few days off work because of it and the excuse for a street party, but that party is just for the people that are there.
No, the monarchy doesn't actually serve a function ........ other than making the downtrodden feel even more aggrieved.
There is a growing movement to have them replaced.

ouija, replaced with what?

Please guys, try not to get mad I hate everyone with power and money, not just your royals.  But from my POV at least a guy like Bill Gates or Donald Trump actually achieved things that were somewhat admirable to get thier wealth and power.  What did your prince of wales do?

[hetrodoxly]

ouija ouija, on 06 June 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

It is NOT a big deal for the majority of us. Sure people enjoy having a few days off work because of it and the excuse for a street party, but that party is just for the people that are there.
No, the monarchy doesn't actually serve a function ........ other than making the downtrodden feel even more aggrieved.
There is a growing movement to have them replaced.

They're more popular than ever.

[and then]

OverSword, on 06 June 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

I see all this hype in the media in the USA about the queen's diamond jubilee (thats a 75th anniversary for the rest of us but apparently it's 60th if your extra priveledged) What is the big deal?  Does your monarchy actually serve a function?  Do you really feel patriotic loyalty to this family historically consisting of some of the most messed up greedy inbred weirdos in the history of the world?

Sure, I'm trolling a bit, but I honestly would like to see some of your input.

What exactly is the point of being such an a$$?  The Monarchy, while not something America would ever accept, is still a proud historical tradition that is well loved by one of, if not THE best allies we've ever had.  Do you REALLY want to throw stones/insults against those who've been with us through thick and thin for nearly a couple centuries?  I bet your a real laugh a minute at parties, man....Damn!

[hetrodoxly]

OverSword, on 06 June 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

I see all this hype in the media in the USA about the queen's diamond jubilee (thats a 75th anniversary for the rest of us but apparently it's 60th if your extra priveledged) What is the big deal?  Does your monarchy actually serve a function?  Do you really feel patriotic loyalty to this family historically consisting of some of the most messed up greedy inbred weirdos in the history of the world?

Sure, I'm trolling a bit, but I honestly would like to see some of your input.

Tradition, custom , culture, it's what we do and do it well, would you call other cultures as in people who dance around totem poles dressed in feathers weirdos? why are our traditions any less important than anyone else's? wind your neck in.

[itsnotoutthere]

and then, on 06 June 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

What exactly is the point of being such an a$$?  The Monarchy, while not something America would ever accept, is still a proud historical tradition that is well loved by one of, if not THE best allies we've ever had.  Do you REALLY want to throw stones/insults against those who've been with us through thick and thin for nearly a couple centuries?  I bet your a real laugh a minute at parties, man....Damn!

[ealdwita]

OverSword, if your views of British Monarchy and history are based on the ravings of a crazed lunatic who wants us to believe that the world leaders are descendants of reptillian creatures from the planet Draco, then I fear it's hardly worth making a reply! Sorry.

My Queen is not an effing crocodile!!

Edited by ealdwita, 06 June 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[Arbenol68]

OverSword, on 06 June 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

. .....this family historically consisting of some of the most messed up greedy inbred weirdos in the history of the world?

Not to mention German!

However absurd it may be to you, it's about culture and tradition. You don't have to be a monarchist, or even to support it, to appreciate this. People all over the world celebrate their own cultures, however weird it is.

It's often difficult for Americans to appreciate this, as their only cultural contribution to the world has been McDonald's.

[Cradle of Fish]

Arbenol68, on 07 June 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

It's often difficult for Americans to appreciate this, as their only cultural contribution to the world has been McDonald's.

You forgot Rock and Roll.

As far as I'm concerned the more people go on about their culture the more degenerate it is.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

OverSword, on 06 June 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

ouija, replaced with what?

Please guys, try not to get mad I hate everyone with power and money, not just your royals.  But from my POV at least a guy like Bill Gates or Donald Trump actually achieved things that were somewhat admirable to get thier wealth and power.  What did your prince of wales do?

And there is the problem in a nutshell. The trouble with getting to the top on merit is that people (particularly career Politicians) who have got themselves where they are today through sheer hard work are often the most ambitious and willing to trample on anyone who gets in their way - i.e. they're often the most unpleasant people you could hope to meet. Getting to the Top just means, certainly for someone like Trump, that they love Wealth to the exclusion of all else. is that really something admirable? Merit needn't necessarily mean that they're better at doing the job than everyone else, just that they're the most ruthless and certain that they're right. Most Dictators got to the top through sheer hard work. If anyone would be able to provide a reasonable argument why it would be advantageous to replace the Monarch as head of state with someone elected, then i'd be perfectly willing to listen to them, but so far the arguments have not been persuasive; would we just be replacing the Monarch with the prime Minister given even more (largely ceremonial) powers, thus increasing their ego even more, or would we just replace them with a figurehead who has no power at all, like Richard Branston or Lord Sugar? Or would they go the whole hog and appoint a Lord Protector as to all intents and purposes dictator? Whatever it might be, there'd still be the same crowd of arrogant incompetents actually in control as there are now, so no one would be any better off really.

[tyrant lizard]

The Queen holds more power than being a mere figure head in the fact that she is the Head of the Church of England. Further more she is the Commander and Chief of the British Armed Forces. She works full time and does a sight more than any other 80 year old woman I know of.

Here's a quote about the Queen by Haile Selassie. "Your Majesty, during Your Reign, which commenced in an African country only a little distance to the South, You have carried forward gloriously the traditions of Your lineage and brought new honour to the Throne which You occupy. Your Majesty personally enjoys today the respect, the admiration and the affection of all peoples to whom Britain serves as the symbol of indomitability in adversity, of courage when confronted by danger, of dignity and resolve when threatened with defeat, and of magnanimity and generosity in victory."

[stevewinn]

OverSword, on 06 June 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

I see all this hype in the media in the USA about the queen's diamond jubilee (thats a 75th anniversary for the rest of us but apparently it's 60th if your extra priveledged) What is the big deal?  Does your monarchy actually serve a function?  Do you really feel patriotic loyalty to this family historically consisting of some of the most messed up greedy inbred weirdos in the history of the world?

Sure, I'm trolling a bit, but I honestly would like to see some of your input.

maybe all this hype that your seeing in the US media - maybe they are broadening your horizons, allowing you to witness History in the making. the jubilee will now be entered into the history books for future generations to learn. just as we have.

if you done a little research you'd know if the queen served a purpose and wouldn't have even asked the question.

do I feel patriotic to the monarchy?. the answer is Yes, just the way americans are patriotic to a flag, we acknowledged the monarchy for what it represents to the United Kingdom, a love for tradition has never weakened a nation, indeed it has strengthened nations in their hour of peril.

the same institution that you seem to dislike laid the foundations of your country we see today. if it wasnt for the monarchy and its role in the colonsation of America your history would be very different - with one of the other great colonial powers of the age colonising america and you wouldnt be what you are today. history might seem distant but the influence is still felt today.

America is a new country with its own institutions and traditions, but nothing to rival the United Kingdom maybe we understand just what we have and feel a sense of duty to preserve it,


what does America have to rival this?

Edited by stevewinn, 07 June 2012 - 10:11 AM.