Latin American Civilizations

[caffene]

the other time i was watching a discover show i think was on the history channel, and these two white scientist were somewhere in south america i think bolivia and were searchin for some ruins. So they had the local people take them to some place in some mountain, and when they got there one of them tells the workers to go away and rest. So then theyre all acting tough and smart and talking about their new discovery and i think to myself" thiese guys are a joke". Then they start clearing the place all by them selves to look like explorers or i dont know what.

in conclusion i dont beleave alot of what white scientis say about ancient latin civilizations especially when they describe them as barbaric and make this big deal about them sacrificing people to the gods. To me thats balony, i dont think they sacrifiiced for rain or food or whattever i think thats made up by these white scientist.

[zandore]

The ones on the program might have been white but not all scientists are white.

[AutumnDragon]

latin is white

[Stellar]

in conclusion i dont beleave alot of what white scientis say

You're quite a racist.

[Walken]

Agreed.

[SilverCougar]

in conclusion i dont beleave alot of what white scientis say

You're quite a racist.

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I'd have to agree... Almost every Civilization and religion had sacrifices... animal (including humans) as well as plantlife... And it's not just "The white man keeping the past down!" it's fact through surviving artworks and texts.

[caffene]

me a racist ? nooooo, after my white girlfriend i think i am.

but let me clarify,i dont beleave white scientist(english speaking as a first language) on the subject of brown america,

can u guys get off the technicalities, jesusss.

[marduk]

me a racist ? nooooo, after my white girlfriend i think i am.

but let me clarify,i dont beleave white scientist(english speaking as a first language) on the subject of brown america,

can u guys get off the technicalities, jesusss.

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Is this about afrocentrism ?

Don't worry mate in england we're not allowed to be racist.

Thats why we have more bangladeshi youth clubs than can be counted, but none for white anglo saxon kids

Edited April 17, 2005 by marduk

[MK ULTRA]

Surely the "white" scientists would be more interested in science and history than in white supremacy.

Alot of ancient civilizations were quite barbaric and not just south american ones,I dont think theres any conspiracy here,just violent ancestors.

[Stellar]

but let me clarify,i dont beleave white scientist(english speaking as a first language) on the subject of brown america,

can u guys get off the technicalities, jesusss.

We'll lay off the technicalities when there are none left to lay on. In other words: Stop being a racist, its not appreciated.

[Falco Rex]

I think the pictograms and heiroglyphs showing human sacrifce carved right onto thier temples is a good enough reason to believe they had them. No matter what color scientist describes them; they're still there..

[SilverCougar]

me a racist ? nooooo, after my white girlfriend i think i am.

but let me clarify,i dont beleave white scientist(english speaking as a first language) on the subject of brown america,

can u guys get off the technicalities, jesusss.

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[caffene]

i agree that there are civilizations that sacrificed and all, but i dont beleave that the mayan, inca , and even the aztecs sacrificed. Maybe some one did something terrible and he was killed? i just dont beleive they sacrificed, like when they say virgin women were sacrificed or when the mayans played that ball game and the winner was killed for honor, i just dont believe that.

[SilverCougar]

i agree that there are civilizations that sacrificed and all, but i dont beleave that the mayan, inca , and even the aztecs sacrificed. Maybe some one did something terrible and he was killed? i just dont beleive they sacrificed, like when they say virgin women were sacrificed or when the mayans played that ball game and the winner was killed for honor, i just dont believe that.

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Oh but they did do human sacrifice. It's even in thier recorded legends. Some were captured enemies, some were volunteer.

One of the stories, from the Toltec, is of the little "scaby one" that willingly sacrificed himself so that the light will come to the 7th and final world (ours). He willingly let the gods prepair him and then jumped into the fire to light up the world.

Read thier stories... they're riddled with sacrifices, human and animal. I believe it's the Aztecs that would sacrifice a human to the Jaguar gods, a sort of corrination for thier new emperor...

[Original]

Caffene, why do you believe there was no sacrifice in the Latin American cultures? Do you have any proof that shows the Mayans, Incas, or Aztecs did not sacrifice, or are you just acting on a hunch? It is difficult to believe that all white, english speaking scientists and historians would fabricate the history of Latin America to further a cause of white supremacy.

[caffene]

well i dont beleive that, can that be taken for 100% truth? who said this? how do they know they reading the stuff right? need proof on that jaguar god.

it just sounds made up to me or like misenterpreted.

[SilverCougar]

well i dont beleive that, can that be taken for 100% truth? who said this? how do they know they reading the stuff right? need proof on that jaguar god.

it just sounds made up to me or like misenterpreted.

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*sighs* Such a closed mind. Most of these stories have been carried down and translated by the descendants of these peoples. So these stories are not translated by scientists

When will people study up on what they don't know before comming in here and asking questions, then blowing off the explinations of people who have taken years to study these things.

The Aztecs did infact believe in a Jaguar God.. as they did in a feathered serpent being... As in a God who's animal is a Jaguar...

Tepeyollotl: God of caves and the earth. Believed to create earthquakes and the echo. His animal is the jaguar.

The feathered serpent is the Creator god...

Quetzalcoatl: Creator god and wise legislator. God of the wind, water and fertility. Light skinned and bearded, or represented as a feathered, flying snake.

Now for sacrificing.. since you don't seem so keen as to do research and just whine...

Human Sacrifice in South and Central America...

http://www.carnaval.com/dead/aztecmyth.htm more info...

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/aztecs6.htm (not for the ones bugged my blood and cannabalizims)

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20050124/aztec.html Discovery channel article...

want more? I can dig up all the information you want... or are you going to keep this up and blow off every piece of evidance because it doesn't suit your already made up mind?

[Adramaleck]

The Mayan 'soccer' game could be compared to the collesium. Prisoners fought against the king in these games, but they were coriographed, staged, and the king and his men always ended up winning - it was intricate propaganda. The stories of the civilizations have been translated from mayan hyroglyphs, as well as through word of mouth from the mayan's decenents.

All in all, caffine, believe what you want. But just because you believe something (or don't) doesn't mean it's the truth (or not).

Stay ignorant if you'd like, or devote your life to it, if you can't believe other people's credible research. They worked hard to make their reputation credible, worked years of their life away for such a cause. They are historians, not white supremicists. In fact, many of the people who study the latin american culture are latin americans themselves.

caffine ... there are too many smilies to make at you and too little time

[Triniant]

Like everyone else has already said; do some research; Google ex. "sacrifice", "Aztecs", "native american gods", or even "spanish+conquest". You will find enough reputable sites that have a wealth of information to "prove" sacrifice happened and information on their gods.

If you don't trust the internet go to your local library, and if that is not good enough enroll in a (of many) Latin American (pick a country where sacrifice supposedly happened) history course, so on, so forth, you get the point, right?

Hopefully you find what you are looking for .

Edited April 18, 2005 by Triniant

[caffene]

i have done some reasearch and i have been to some ruins my self, many of the books and sites are made by white poeple, like the first link cougar provided are white proffesors. those drawings dont look real and if some real ones do look like that it can be a traitor or criminal being offered or whatever. many latin poeple that say all that sacrifice stuff are just saying what has been said already by these so called experts. the spaniards letters, come on so many things can be said to discredit them i aint taking them serious.

Basically they are being portraid as low intellegence animals which mainly come from white "experts" and i dont believe it. how can people be advance in math, astrology, medicine and so much stuff and still behave like how they are being portraid?

i dont buy it, i just take them as theories or misenterpretaion and dont care if they are being viewed as historians, experts or what ever it just dosent add up for me.

[marduk]

i have done some reasearch and i have been to some ruins my self, many of the books and sites are made by white poeple, like the first link cougar provided are white proffesors. those drawings dont look real and if some real ones do look like that it can be a traitor or criminal being offered or whatever. many latin poeple that say all that sacrifice stuff are just saying what has been said already by these so called experts. the spaniards letters, come on so many things can be said to discredit them i aint taking them serious.

Basically they are being portraid as low intellegence animals which mainly come from white "experts" and i dont believe it. how can people be advance in math, astrology, medicine and so much stuff and still behave like how they are being portraid?

i dont buy it,  i just take them as theories or misenterpretaion and dont care if they are being viewed as historians, experts or what ever it just dosent add up for me.

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Caffene

question ?

do you believe that the olmecs were negroid ?

[Essan]

i have done some reasearch and i have been to some ruins my self, many of the books and sites are made by white poeple,

What has colour of skin got to do with it? Do you mean 'foreign archaeologists'? Do you think, for example, only Mayans should be researching and writing about Mayans?

Basically they are being portraid as low intellegence animals which mainly come from white "experts" and i dont believe it. how can people be advance in math, astrology, medicine and so much stuff and still behave like how they are being portraid?

Well all the 'white' experts I've read have portrayed the Meso-american civilisations as being advanced in astronomy, medicine, maths etc - and none have portrayed them as being 'low intelligence animals'. What rubbish have you been reading?

[marduk]

i have done some reasearch and i have been to some ruins my self, many of the books and sites are made by white poeple,

What has colour of skin got to do with it? Do you mean 'foreign archaeologists'? Do you think, for example, only Mayans should be researching and writing about Mayans?

Basically they are being portraid as low intellegence animals which mainly come from white "experts" and i dont believe it. how can people be advance in math, astrology, medicine and so much stuff and still behave like how they are being portraid?

Well all the 'white' experts I've read have portrayed the Meso-american civilisations as being advanced in astronomy, medicine, maths etc - and none have portrayed them as being 'low intelligence animals'. What rubbish have you been reading?

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I could tell you exactly what rubbish he's been reading or you could find out yourself by putting "afrocentrism" into Google

Coffee also having a white girlfriend does not mean you aren't racist. All of your remarks have been aimed at white males.

What about Maria Reich The white german anthrpologist that studied Nazca for four decades ? think she was racist ?

[aquatus1]

My ancestors were of the Quetchua, also known as the Inca. While they did indeed practice human sacrifice in their society (though nowhere near to the extremes the Maya did), they also eventually advanced beyond that into what we would consider a non-barbaric society, including a road system, and a form of public record-keeping. None of that, however, takes away that, once upon a time, we were a barbaric, slave-keeping people. Denying the past isn't going to do anyone any good. It simply is, no matter what one wishes to say about it. That was the world my people used to live in. Can't be help. Has nothing to do with who discovered that they did; they did it nonetheless.

[marduk]

My ancestors were of the Quetchua, also known as the Inca.  While they did indeed practice human sacrifice in their society (though nowhere near to the extremes the Maya did), they also eventually advanced beyond that into what we would consider a non-barbaric society, including a road system, and a form of public record-keeping.  None of that, however, takes away that, once upon a time, we were a barbaric, slave-keeping people.  Denying the past isn't going to do anyone any good.  It simply is, no matter what one wishes to say about it.  That was the world my people used to live in.  Can't be help.  Has nothing to do with who discovered that they did; they did it nonetheless.

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Question aquatuus

growing up as a member of what was a once might and noble race, did you get much hassle from the roman catholic church ?

what is your peoples view of them thesedays ?