NBC Poll: Only 17% Approve of Congress

[AROCES]

Only 17 percent of American voters approve of how lawmakers on Capitol Hill are doing their jobs and, given the choice, half of all respondents in an NBC poll would vote to defeat their own representative and every single member of Congress.

It's a striking finding revealing that a majority of Democrats are sour on their party even as it controls all three branches of government. The public also is sour on the nation’s direction. Nearly 6 in 10 believe the county is off on the wrong track, compared with 33 percent who think it’s headed in the right direction.

http://newsmax.com/Headline/nbc-poll-congress-country/2010/03/16/id/352982

[+DieChecker]

They are loving the Democrat Party because of the Mandate! What the heck happened to the Democrat Mandate? I thought all Democrats everywhere were in love with Obama and his Congress and wanted Hope and Change. No Hope, but some Chicago style Change is happening.

I love how the media said that after people had things explained to them that the approval numbers went up, but apparently those people forgot, or changed their minds back, because the numbers are still down. The "Great Explaining" did not work. I think a lot of turnover is happening in November, not just with Dems, but with Republicans too.

[ninjadude]

Because Democrats are mad that their reps cave to the Repubs. The Repubs are mad that their reps are plain crazy.

[preacherman76]

Of course they are crazy ninja, anyone who does think just like you must be crazy. Right?

[ninjadude]

Of course they are crazy ninja, anyone who does think just like you must be crazy. Right?

I'm not in the party of NO. No ideas. No hope. No caring for others. No solutions to problems. Their idea for health care is to not get sick. And if you do, die quickly.

[preacherman76]

I'm not in the party of NO. No ideas. No hope. No caring for others. No solutions to problems. Their idea for health care is to not get sick. And if you do, die quickly.

Your in the socialist party. Unfortunitly for you, we arent a socialist country. Not yet anyway.

If your solution to every problem is bigger government, you ARE the problem

[ninjadude]

Your in the socialist party. Unfortunitly for you, we arent a socialist country. Not yet anyway.

If your solution to every problem is bigger government, you ARE the problem

Where did I say "every"? sorry didn't. And we already have many social institutions.

[+DieChecker]

I'm not in the party of NO. No ideas. No hope. No caring for others. No solutions to problems. Their idea for health care is to not get sick. And if you do, die quickly.

What balony...

You know that it is all politics. Does the party of "Yes" support Republican legislation? No. The only thing I see is that the Democrats are trying to pass legislation and if the places were reversed, the "Caring" Democrats would be just as obstructionist.

As Stardrive continually rants, the current legislation is almost completely a republican plan from ten years ago. So the Democrats are pushing a "Party of No" Healthcare bill.

Your insistance that the Democrats in Congress are the definition of Good is weird. They are as corrupt as anyone else.

I especially dispise Dennis Kucinich, as he used to be his own man, but now is Obama and Pelosi's puppet. He caved on his No vote for no other reason then party politics and his personal beliefs and Constituancy be damned.

Edited March 20, 2010 by DieChecker

[ninjadude]

You know that it is all politics. Does the party of "Yes" support Republican legislation? No. The only thing I see is that the Democrats are trying to pass legislation and if the places were reversed, the "Caring" Democrats would be just as obstructionist.

this is the politics forum, right? The dems would introduce ideas and participate. The repubs have not.

Your insistance that the Democrats in Congress are the definition of Good is weird. They are as corrupt as anyone else.

where did I say "good"? Why do you think all people in government are corrupt?

I especially dispise Dennis Kucinich, as he used to be his own man, but now is Obama and Pelosi's puppet. He caved on his No vote for no other reason then party politics and his personal beliefs and Constituancy be damned.

He still is his own man. He caved because he wants to get the bill passed. That's how government works. Compromise.

[Caesar]

I think both democrats and republicans that are up for re-election are in trouble.

[J.B.]

The Dems are in trouble for gaming the system, I.E. changing the number of votes they need for things with mechanisms like that deem and pass one, and the Reps are in trouble for being scare tactic wielding babies like always. Can't win on the floor so they shout at people that their moves are career suicide and things like that.

[Startraveler]

Someone changed the number of votes needed to pass things?

[ninjadude]

I think both democrats and republicans that are up for re-election are in trouble.

Sure. Democrats that did not support health care reform are already in trouble. Repubs, well.....

[ninjadude]

The Dems are in trouble for gaming the system, I.E. changing the number of votes they need for things with mechanisms like that deem and pass one,

Deem and Pass is a common parlimentary device used in Congress many times before and also by republicans. There is no "gaming" the system. The same number of votes is required. Unless you mean the constant republican threat of filibuster in the Senate that changes the normal required number of votes from 51 to 60. The House always uses a majority vote. If the Democrats are in trouble as you say, it's because some basic knowledge of civics is missing from the general population.

[Caesar]

Sure. Democrats that did not support health care reform are already in trouble. Repubs, well.....

Is that why Obama had to bribe other members for votes? just about every poll I've seen doesn't support your claim.

[J.B.]

Someone changed the number of votes needed to pass things?

Yeah, it started at 60. . . and they used something, I forget the name for it, and dropped it down to 51.

[Caesar]

Someone changed the number of votes needed to pass things?

Yeah it seems like reconciliation is now the new way to pass things with only 51 Senators needed.

[ninjadude]

Is that why Obama had to bribe other members for votes? just about every poll I've seen doesn't support your claim.

You mean Congressional Leaders made concessions to pass the bill? This happens nearly daily in all legislative bodies in cities, states, federal and the rest of the world.

Again Mark Rasmussen and other "conservative" "republican-leaning" polls are not unbiased sources. The polls you'd be seeing would be more predictive of Republicans. Certainly there are "democratic-leaning", "liberal" biased polls as well. And from what I see of them, those that didn't support Health Care Reform are in big trouble. The polls I've been seeing would be more predictive of democrats. Things like this will happen more and more.

[ninjadude]

Yeah, it started at 60. . . and they used something, I forget the name for it, and dropped it down to 51.

No. The Senate always requires 51 votes to pass a bill. 60 is required to stop an opposition fillibuster which prevents voting on the bill.

[ninjadude]

Yeah it seems like reconciliation is now the new way to pass things with only 51 Senators needed.

Only 51 votes are required in the Senate to pass any bill. The republicans have perverted senate rules by threatening fillibuster for nearly EVERY bill thus needing 60 votes to stop the fillibuster (or stop the threat of fillibuster) and actually vote on the bill.

[Startraveler]

No. The Senate always requires 51 votes to pass a bill. 60 is required to stop an opposition filibuster which prevents voting on the bill.

There you go. 60 votes are not needed to pass things in the Senate. The Constitution specifically says that the Vice President has to break ties, meaning if there's a tie it only takes one more vote to pass a piece of legislation. That's a majoritarian way of passing legislation.

The filibuster is a rule of the chamber. Reconciliation is a law. Neither changes the reality.

Recall that the health care bill already passed the Senate (not using reconciliation) with 60 votes. All that's going to be voted on in the Senate through the reconciliation process is a 150 page bill making changes to certain budgetary features of the legislation that's already been passed.

[Caesar]

You mean Congressional Leaders made concessions to pass the bill? This happens nearly daily in all legislative bodies in cities, states, federal and the rest of the world.

Not at these levels.

Again Mark Rasmussen and other "conservative" "republican-leaning" polls are not unbiased sources. The polls you'd be seeing would be more predictive of Republicans. Certainly there are "democratic-leaning", "liberal" biased polls as well. And from what I see of them, those that didn't support Health Care Reform are in big trouble. The polls I've been seeing would be more predictive of democrats. Things like this will happen more and more.

I said polls, like the gallup polling group.

realclearpolitics.com

gallup.com

[ninjadude]

Not at these levels.

What levels? building a highway to nowhere alaska? building an electronic fence against mexico that won't work? building unneeded military crap? Those billions?

[Caesar]

$300 mill for Mary Landrieu to change her vote or the federal government agreed to cover 100% of Nebraska's health care bill for an indefinite amount of time. Ben Nelson now supports the bill.

Sen. Ben Nelson Supports Health Care Bill After Nebraska Deal

Healthcare's dealbreakers: Mary Landrieu likes her $300 million

The change we can believe in.

[+DieChecker]

this is the politics forum, right? The dems would introduce ideas and participate. The repubs have not.

???? What about.....

ADDITIONAL COMMON-SENSE REPUBLICAN REFORM PROPOSALS

For more information about some of the other common-sense health care reforms proposed by Republicans, please visit the links below:

Empowering Patients First Act (Republican Study Committee Health Care Reform Bill, introduced July 30, 2009)

Improving Health Care for All Americans Act (Shadegg Health Care Reform Bill, introduced July 14, 2009)

Medical Rights & Reform Act (Kirk-Dent Health Care Reform Bill, introduced June 16, 2009)

Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, Timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act (Gingrey medical liability reform bill, introduced June 6, 2009)

Small Business Health Fairness Act of 2009 (Johnson small business health plans bill, introduced May 21, 2009)

Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act of 2009 (Castle Wellness & Prevention Bill, introduced July 31, 2009)

Improved Employee Access to Health Insurance Act of 2009 (Deal auto-enrollment bill, introduced October 15, 2009)

Health Insurance Access for Young Workers and College Students Act of 2009 (Blunt bill to improve health insurance coverage of dependents, introduced October 21, 2009)

http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare

where did I say "good"? Why do you think all people in government are corrupt?

Ah Semantics... where Turtle turns when he is without other response. "Good? I never said good. I said nice. I said benevolent. I said plesant."

I think most people in government are corrupt, because many are routinely caught being corrupt. Not all are corrupt, but not even most are actually representing the people that voted for them. Especially Democrats are subject to voting "For their own good" on subjects that their constituancy would like them to vote otherwise on.

He still is his own man. He caved because he wants to get the bill passed. That's how government works. Compromise.

Compromise would be if he got something for his vote. He is not. He is now a puppet that is dancing to the Party tune.

Might not even matter at this point. The vote is today and so we will see.

What if it fails? Is Obama going to go on TV and say... "Best two out of three?".