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[Tutankhaten-pasheri]

Then you put majority of blame on current problems on Saudi? I say current because it seems over the decades the precise nature of the problem shifts. For instance, when Arafat was being ejected from Beruit by IDF, the problem seemed more to do with politics than religion, in fact back in those days religion did not seem so much an issue, other than over-arching Jew v Muslim issue. To me Munich seemed all political, not religious at all. Indeed, it seems to me, and I may be wrong, that Arafat and others seemed to morph from radical leftists to devout Muslims over the years. If so, then why? were they hypocrits? is this corruption by Saudi/Iranian money?

Second edit , to add that a strong echo of the purely political aspect still exists, in that support for Palestine in the west is mostly, or even entirely, from those with political views on the left, and correct me if I am wrong, does not the left in Israel take a, comparatively, softer line than the right.

Edited by Atentutankh-pasheri, 25 December 2012 - 11:20 AM.

[Lion6969]

Christianity is virtually extinct in western Europe, they need to address their own door step first.

[and then]

Lion6969, on 28 December 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Christianity is virtually extinct in western Europe, they need to address their own door step first.

If the western Europeans no longer desire relationship with Christ then this is their business.  But how does that justify the mistreatment of willing worshippers of Christ in the M.E.?

[Insaniac]

Coffey, on 24 December 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

What about non Christian members huh?

Anyway in Africa all these horrible terrorist groups are Christian. It's them that go around raping and murdering villages.

I must say, with it being my duty and being a Christian myself, that it makes me sick to hear other supposed "Christians" are raping and murdering people. They certainly don't follow the New Testament in the Holy Bible, which is what we're supposed to follow because it's what Christ left us with.

A True Christian wouldn't rape and/or murder anybody. They follow Christ, not the murderous Roman Catholic Church and other false denominations and sects.

The Romans murdered Jesus Christ, so why would a True Christian follow those sinister people? Ahh, I'm going on a tangent.

Thanks to the rest of your post, Coffey. Agreed.

[Coffey]

Insaniac, on 28 December 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

I must say, with it being my duty and being a Christian myself, that it makes me sick to hear other supposed "Christians" are raping and murdering people. They certainly don't follow the New Testament in the Holy Bible, which is what we're supposed to follow because it's what Christ left us with.

A True Christian wouldn't rape and/or murder anybody. They follow Christ, not the murderous Roman Catholic Church and other false denominations and sects.

The Romans murdered Jesus Christ, so why would a True Christian follow those sinister people? Ahh, I'm going on a tangent.

Thanks to the rest of your post, Coffey. Agreed.

It's same with Muslims, true Muslims aren't terrorists.

Personally anyone who puts their religion before morals and human life etc is disgracing their religion.

I don't care what religion someone is, they are free to believe or feel what they choose. It's when people can't accept that it becomes a problem.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Lion6969, on 28 December 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Christianity is virtually extinct in western Europe, they need to address their own door step first.

I like someone not from Europe does not know anything about Europe

[Yamato]

Erikl, on 25 December 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

Yet outside of Israel, Christians native to the Middle East aren't so free to worship and live their lives.

That's another reason the US is better.  I just wish the US would promote its own way of doing things instead of propping up and enabling someone else's , including some of the places you're speaking of.

[acidhead]

Atentutankh-pasheri, on 25 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Second edit , to add that a strong echo of the purely political aspect still exists, in that support for Palestine in the west is mostly, or even entirely, from those with political views on the left, and correct me if I am wrong, does not the left in Israel take a, comparatively, softer line than the right.

really?

[Tutankhaten-pasheri]

acidhead, on 29 December 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

really?

From my observation of western media and various academics and even "celebrities", then yes. I guess you indicate you may be on right and support Palestine? But I know there is differences in what is termed "right" (I think terms left and right are outdated) Perhaps, and this is only from top of head, right should be divided between capitalists and nationalists, and of course there are a host of other ways to divide this particular pie, though it is not as difficult as dividing the "left" pie. Hope I am not too complicated about this....

Edited by Atentutankh-pasheri, 29 December 2012 - 09:49 AM.

[pallidin]

It's been well known that radical muslims have long intended to occupy all of the ME. They have clearly proclaimed such intentions.

Their next, own-stated goal, is to take-over the entire world and forcefully submit it to Sharia law. That's THEIR words, not mine.

For democratic countries, the way they intend to do this is by eventual majority population of radical muslims, voting and becoming elected officials, thus eventually changing the democratic laws of a country into Sharia law.

To my dying day I, and many others, will resist their putrid corruption of humanity... at least in the USA.

[Raptor Witness]

The best protection the Christians had were the dictatorships. It wasn't great, but it was better than they have now.

Waves of distress will soon sweep across the ME. That meteorite they kiss in Mecca will not be able to save them.

Let the black rock catch fire and fly back to heaven. Perhaps then they'll have something to brag about.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Raptor Witness, on 31 December 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

The best protection the Christians had were the dictatorships. It wasn't great, but it was better than they have now.

Waves of distress will soon sweep across the ME. That meteorite they kiss in Mecca will not be able to save them.

Let the black rock catch fire and fly back to heaven. Perhaps then they'll have something to brag about.

Who were those?

[odas]

Raptor Witness, on 31 December 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

The best protection the Christians had were the dictatorships. It wasn't great, but it was better than they have now.

Waves of distress will soon sweep across the ME. That meteorite they kiss in Mecca will not be able to save them.

Let the black rock catch fire and fly back to heaven. Perhaps then they'll have something to brag about.

So, lets nail to fourbyfours together and start worship them?

[Helen of Annoy]

odas, on 31 December 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

So, lets nail to fourbyfours together and start worship them?

It’s so funny to me because it sounds so bauštelski

Never mind me, I just had to express how amused I was.

[Raptor Witness]

odas, on 31 December 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

So, lets nail to fourbyfours together and start worship them?

To my knowlege no one claims the black meteorite in Mecca is associated with any power over death.

When the entire ME is on fire, will they then kiss the flames?