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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:27 PM

Heavens, that was some quick work, Boon.

Nice to see the ol' gallows looking festive now, as well.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:38 PM

I`ll just throw my two cents in Like a broken record !
What about the possibilities of it being something far grander than mere mortal man can understand?
Like ? The three mile Howard Johnson`s with there all you can eat Clam dinner  restaurant and Bar in the Sky? Now thats more like it !
You remember that dont you ? :clap:

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:29 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 27 October 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

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That's too funny booN! :tu:

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:32 AM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 25 October 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

There is a lot of talk going on about flares again.

the people in Sonora Mexico that saw *something* could not have seen flares over Phoenix and here's why.

The A-10 with its LUU2 dispenser will drop the flare at 6,000 feet altitude.
the ignition starts at 3,000 feet and extinguishing at 500 feet.

The closest point in Sonora to Phoenix is too far away to see something at 3,000 feet of altitude

Also, there is the matter of mountains in Sonora and Arizona that are inconveniently in the way.

what a shame, huh?

I have not done the math to Nevada yet, it is getting to be pointless. But I might.

We'll see where this one ends up with the critical thinkers [cough] here


EDIT - furghetaboudit.


At about 18:55 PST (19:55 MST), a man reported seeing a V-shaped object above Henderson, Nevada. (wiki)

Henderson is about 250 miles away from phoenix. WAY to far to see anything at 3,000 feet altitude over Phoenix.

ta ta, critical thinkers.

View PostSweetpumper, on 25 October 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

There were no flares that night.


actually I'm having second thoughts about the 'flares'.....even as a cover-up move to muddy the waters...





maybe the ten o'clock lights was (another?) Big Black Delta flying slowly and silently across the skies..... :w00t:

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:42 AM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

You are establishing the fact that the various people used different words and an assortment of similar-shaped objects to describe what they saw. Are you saying that because the reports are not all identical they saw nothing at all?? They are delusional??

If you think they saw *something*, please say so.

Hi Earl

Yes, I think they saw planes and flares. I do believe that the varying descriptions, particularly those pertaining to size indicate that many simply described that which illusory contours offered them.

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

My my, aren't we judgemental!! Whew. So the guy had a little fun with it. He also paid a heavy price for that little stunt. A lot of people were mad at him for not taking them seriously, which shows all the more, these people are SURE they saw something not to laugh about.

I know why you slam the man so much. It's because his testimony of seeing something "not of this world" tic's you off.
Sorry, my man, he was elected into the Governor's office so he cannot be so mentally unstable, now can he.


No Earl, if I felt I coud trust his testimony I would be over the moon. Why I have such a dim view of this fellow is because he is a public figure, and it is my opinion that those who throw themselves in the public spotlight have a responsibility to behave a certain way. If they do not wish to behave in a sensible way, then I feel they have no right throwing themselves into a spotlight  Like a school teacher that poses nude. I think that is abusing that which one's position offers. A career, particularly one that influence others, is a responsible position. And that responsibility is to be upheld, or the responsibility removed, and an example made of the dissident. He deserves to pay a heavy price for his tomfoolery, and considering that his brother is a very keen UFO buff, I can see where his motivation came from.
He also should know that problems with making an extraordinary claim better than anyone. He offered nothing to support his position, nothing to p[rove any aspect of anyones sighting, but I bet he was in the crowd that shouted down Mitch Stanley. What do you think he has done to improve the situation? All I can see is him adding to the confusion and I feel that is deliberate in his behalf. An appeal to authority is the only reason he keeps being regurgitated  If he was anyone else of the street, he wouldn't have even made the papers.

With the US policy, are you aware of a freak called Jonathan Sharkey? He has run for president. Is that allowed if mentally unstable?

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Sharkey claims that he first drank blood at age five and now consumes the blood of his girlfriends and mistresses twice a week.[9][10] He has described his vampirism as "a very healthy thing to do" and has praised Hollywood for making vampire feeding practices "romantic and erotic". He drinks only women's blood because "women are beautiful... they have such beautiful necks and arms".[11] He claims to be well known among the vampire community, and says he drinks cow and pig blood.[12]
Sharkey is a Luciferian[7] who "turned against God" because he would not worship a God who "caused the deaths of innocent children" and "allowed his only son to be used as a sacrifice on the cross".[11] He compares Lucifer to the Founding Fathers of the United States, arguing that they both exemplify the idea of rebellion against tyranny.[7] He says he doesn't hate Jesus, just God the Father, and that he follows the goddess Hecate in addition to Lucifer. [7] In 2006, his then-wife and blood donor Julie Carpenter was fired from her job as a school bus driver in Princeton, Minnesota because her employer was nervous about having a "witch" driving schoolchildren around. Carpenter described herself as pagan rather than a witch, and said that her boss was unable to tell the difference.[1]
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He has described his policy on crime as follows: "Certain criminals, instead of being put in jail, they should be brutally tortured and impaled.... Upon them being found guilty of their crimes I'll beat them, torture them, dismember them and decapitate them."[10] In an appearance on Tucker Carlson's television show, he agreed with the host's description of him as "not simply a vampire, [but] a right-wing vampire" and said his policy for dealing with drug dealers is to "go to Sicilian families and have them attack the drug dealers for me".[11]
Sharkey strongly criticized President George W. Bush, whom he described as a "wuss" and a communist who was responsible for the deaths of innocent Americans in Saudi Arabia and Iraq. He has expressed a desire to try, and convict, and impale Bush,[11] and has since stated that "Obama is even worse than Bush, and I never thought anyone could be worse than Bush. He has no idea how to run a country, nor should he be running a country."[7]
Sharkey once served on the Hillsborough County, Florida Republican Party's Executive Committee. A. J. Matthews, who also serves on the committee, has described Sharkey as someone who believes in "Republican values" but said that Sharkey needs to focus on campaign issues rather than "extreme behaviors".[13]
Sharkey says that he would ban abortion and the teaching of evolution in public schools. On other social issues, he leans libertarian; he supports equal rights for gays. He opposes President Obama's health care reform and said that he would replace it with a plan of his own in which the poor would receive free medical and dental care; the expenses would be paid with government taxes on marijuana and prostitution, which Sharkey supports legalizing and regulating. On foreign policy, he wishes to bring American troops home from foreign war zones. In keeping with his belief in the goddess Hecate, he supports environmentalism and "protecting Mother Earth". He said that his ideal running mate would be former New Jersey governor Christine Todd Whitman. During the 2012 election cycle, he criticized Republican rival Michele Bachmann as "too flakey for me".[7]

Sharkey has filed with the Federal Election Commission to run for President of the United States twice as an Independent candidate (in 2004[14] and in 2008[15]) and for Congress in at least three states—his home State of New Jersey (1999–2000, Republican),[16]Indiana (Reform Party, 2000)[17] and Florida (2001–02, Republican).[18] In 2006, he ran for governor of Minnesota.


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Harold Gunn, campaigning as a Republican candidate for the Texas House of Representatives in 2000, lost at the primary stage in March when it emerged that he had written and appeared in a pornographic film featuring naked women jogging through a Houston park and lathering themselves with motor oil.


William Levinger, running as the Republican nominee for election to the U.S. House of Representatives in Idaho in 1996, spent most of the final six weeks of his campaign holed up in a state mental institution after spectacularly imploding during a television interview. For reasons only he himself could know, halfway through the interview he propositioned the female reporter, offering her $5,000 if she would kiss him on camera. He then began stripping off his clothes. The station cut the broadcast when he was down to his underpants. Despite the restrictive circumstances of his last weeks of electioneering, he still managed to win 32 percent of the vote on polling day.

Pollies are people at the end of the day, and even that is often questioned.

What does strike me as particularly unbalanced is that the UFO buffs always say never trust the Government  Yet in this case, we cas see that if the Government says "Believe in ET" then that changes completely. Cannot say I have much faith in the UFO buffs. This case is a testimonial of the contradiction of the ETH in general.


View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

NO! which is why *I* rely on the testimony of people who *were* there, not that of some remote mathematician with a triangle up his butt.

No you are not. Some people say there was no triangle at all and clearly see where the confusion came from. What of them?


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An alert owner of a home video camera caught the 8:30 vee pattern on tape. Terry Proctor filmed the vee for several minutes. The quality of the tape is poor, and even under enhancement the video shows nothing joining the five lights of the pattern. However, the pattern of lights changes over just a few seconds. The lights clearly move in relation to each other, proving that the lights represent five separate objects, rather than a solid body. This is consistent with witness reports from Prescott, where one light trailed the others temporarily.

I witnessed on March 13 what Mitch Stanley observed through his telescope. But I didn't need a telescope to observe the configuration, which appeared unbalanced at five. That was my first clue that it was interterrestrial. As I watched before it disappeared, I observed it peel off into the great beyond. To what country it belongs, I don't know or really care.
I just know those pilots are having a good laugh at our expense, especially when an individual on the Phoenix City Council calls for an all-out investigation utilizing the "Arizona air force." Maybe Frances Emma Barwood is the alien since she is not aware that Arizona doesn't have an air force. Oh, well. It is nice to know there are still some of us who are not misled by mass hysteria or by the movie Independence Day and have their power of reasoning intact. Thanks for printing this story and clearing up what has turned into a colossal mess.
Rose Kauffmann
Scottsdale


It is wonderful that people want to look up at the night sky, but it is better if they have equipment such as Mitch Stanley's telescope so they can more positively identify the things they are seeing. If Frances Emma Barwood wants to do something constructive during her 15 minutes of fame, she might draft rules to curb light pollution, such as Tucson has, so millions of dollars aren't wasted annually on billboard lights, etc., aimed needlessly into the Phoenix sky that diminish the view.
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View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

From what I have read, there certainly were individual lights as well as the big craft. that's certainly not a shocker nor a deal breaker.

OK, but what about the people saying there was no individual lights, and it was one big craft, whom you are largely relying upon for your version of events? If they are wrong about individual lights, is not not quite possible that they misinterpreted said lights via illusory contours, which is something everybody's brain does? And considering that, how many people say that both existed? Not thousands is it?

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

I will address info when it is not so one-sided. if people post all about flares, Snowbirds or warthogs, I usually just glance at it.
those are not burning issues to me. not at all.
Talking about testimony (not one-sided) is good, as far as I am concerned.

Testimony is one sided though. It is a persons interpretation of events. If using their data in an unbiased fashion, would you not do what Boon and Lost Shaman did and take that data, remove their interpretation, and apply math to it to confirm the claim that goes with the data?
What you have sold yourself short on is that the data answers the questions where the conflicting claims just offer the very opposite. I would think consistency would be far more important than political correctness?

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

I lost my own text here, I won't do multi-quote - I can't recall what I typed before your above response.

Same happened to me on Friday. I have to stop using "quick reply" as the slightest tough sends the page backwards and I lose everything typed. Wasted far too much of my time on Friday, so I had to wait until now to adress this again.

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

But anyway,. look at these images for a chevron - https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=857

I can easily see how one individual could see something like a triangle in the black of night, in the sky and call it a chevron shape.
Why are you so critical of that? these are just citizens, not professional witnesses and they only use the words and objects they are familiar with to describe something they saw up in the blackened sky at quite a distance. you call them delusional?? wow.


Yes, it is very different. In a chevron, or maybe a boomerang, you have a hollow centre don't you? That was what so many said blacked out the stars. Yet some saw the same shape with a definite empty middle so they must have seen the stars through it. That too indicates people that are attempting to qualify something that is distorted through illusory contours. The size indicates this, the shape indicates this, the two things that appear to be common indicate illusory contours.

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

In my mind, you certainly cannot defeat "EXISTENCE" by trying to claim contradiction.
These people saw *something* that scared the witts out of them. Why do you deny this?


I do not existence, hence the plane/flare conclusions, but I do not think too many had their wits frightened out of them at all. I suspect that larger majority loked up and went "what's that?" A handful of zealots got a little carried away, and I do not think that is altogether uncommon. I see nothing to indicate fear, no looting, no damage no reports of hysteria. Just a lot of people, some of whom think what they saw was an Alien craft, but cannot prove that was the case.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:44 AM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 24 October 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

Psyche101,

Please understand that I do not have a lot of time to be in here.

As it is now, I usually get about half as much time as I would prefer so I have to really pick-and-choose, and then run.
I skip a lot of posts because I have to keep it short and sweet, so I look at ones of interest to me.

When you reply back to me, it is so damn hard for me to work with a text that has 10 quote-breaks in it that I prefer not to attempt the multi-quote now.

hope you understand.



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I completely understand, and have the same problems myself. Some days I get more time than others.

No problem at all, I would prefer you take your time.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:38 AM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 25 October 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

There is a lot of talk going on about flares again.

the people in Sonora Mexico that saw *something* could not have seen flares over Phoenix and here's why.

The A-10 with its LUU2 dispenser will drop the flare at 6,000 feet altitude.
the ignition starts at 3,000 feet and extinguishing at 500 feet.

The closest point in Sonora to Phoenix is too far away to see something at 3,000 feet of altitude

Also, there is the matter of mountains in Sonora and Arizona that are inconveniently in the way.

what a shame, huh?

I have not done the math to Nevada yet, it is getting to be pointless. But I might.

We'll see where this one ends up with the critical thinkers [cough] here


EDIT - furghetaboudit.


At about 18:55 PST (19:55 MST), a man reported seeing a V-shaped object above Henderson, Nevada. (wiki)

Henderson is about 250 miles away from phoenix. WAY to far to see anything at 3,000 feet altitude over Phoenix.

ta ta, critical thinkers.

But this was a particular operation that performed a high altitude drop.


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North of Phoenix over Lake Pleasant, three pilots in the cockpit of an America West 757 airliner, headed to Las Vegas at 17,000 feet, noticed the strange v-formation of five bright lights off to their right and slightly above them in this heavily trafficked airspace. “Hey, there’s a UFO!” co-pilot John Middleton kidded pilot Larry Campbell. Puzzled by what they were seeing, Middleton queried the regional air traffic control center in Albuquerque, N.M. A controller radioed back that it was a flight of CT-144’s at 19,000 feet. Apparently overhearing this exchange, a pilot claiming to be part of the formation spoke up.

“We’re Canadian Snowbirds flying Tutors,” the mystery pilot radioed Middleton. “We’re headed to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base.”



An air show performance team, the Snowbirds are pilots of the Canadian Air Force based at Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, who fly CT-144’s, a two-seat training jet nicknamed the Tutor, which has a single landing light in its nose. Normally the Snowbirds perform at North American air shows from April through October each year.


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As far as I know, this aspect is not disputed.


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:41 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 23 October 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Exactly, yet you seem to figure the skeptics are wrong and you have the answer?

And based on guessing what the dog was barking at?

Your own example illustrates that you delve into that which you defy.

It does..? how so??

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:25 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 25 October 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

I have never denied the existence of the military exercises and private planes in the area. I do feel that all evidence that exists firmly supports these solutions.

Psyche, that is not what I meant.  Do you think anything in the "very unusual" order was in the sky that night *besides* military and flares?


View Postpsyche101, on 25 October 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

Indeed, the scenario you typed out insisted something different happened on that night. And it did. Hale-Bop was making itself visible. A Major celestial event, which I feel is why people were looking up that night so late, and noticed what was going on.


Hale-Bopp was indeed in the skies. You right now are trying to say that's ALL there was in the skies - besides military.
Everyone knows what a comet is and everyone knew Hale-Bopp was to be seen that night. They *do* know the difference.

What else was in the sky?



View Postpsyche101, on 25 October 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

Yes, My wife will jump if she hears a hare outside. She will sit in bed terrified talking to me on the phone until I arrive home. If I hear a Hare outside or a Roo, I know what lives in the area, and am not concerned but curiosity will prompt me to have a look most of the time, as I like seeing wildlife in my yard. She is gravely disturbed, but not I. People react differently to different situations. Not to blow my own horn or anything, but I think perhaps I am a bit more fearless than others? I could never understand why people fear fear at a ball of light. But many claims such. My two sightings did not at all send a shiver through any part of me. I was merely fascinated.

That is why some people saw a giant craft and some saw individual lights.


Complete and utter bullsh*t - and there is no other way to say it.
You were NOT there, you have NO WAY to establish that assertion and you know it.
More wishful thinking!


View Postpsyche101, on 25 October 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

That is what I see wrong here. The media. Whenever we rely on the media for information, from science to sightings, it gets it all wrong 99.9% of the time. Scientists hate talking to journalists for this very reason. I am sure I have left you the link to ABC's media watch article, whereby the Australian Broadcasting Commission went to the NT Times, a northern newspaper, and ousted the constant claims of alien ships, the NT News editor got snarky and cheeky, and said "All the UFO stuff is tongue in cheek anyway". The media has absolutely no accountability, and canot be relied upon as an accurate source. Hence, the photos, videos and math. That can tell us who is telling the truth, and who is not.

#1 - think of this. WOOF. many many people spoke out that night. The only person on a government level that spoke to the people was the governor of Arizona. Nevada and Arizona each have two Senators and several members of the House. *at the very least*, some or all could have/should have tried to calm and comfort those people, their own constituents. It didn't happen. That alone should tell you something very big about the feds trying their damndest to cover it all up. Had the Representatives/Senators spoken out to the people via the media, *then*, they will have added a strong evidence that the whole incident reached a critical level and now, people all over the rest of the country and world, would take teh witnesses seriously and Big Gov has real problems, at that point.
Hence, it's the old "stand down" trick of the government. Shhhhhh!!! Works like a charm!

I also believe the Feds had the governor pull that little stunt with the ET.
BigGov knows that to get people to shut up about it, hold them up for ridicule. Works great!!

As far as who is telling the truth...? you know it's proven that the government LIED. their explanation to the *whole * thing was flares.
As far as the people are concerned, you know they were very disturbed in some cases, you know what they said they saw, and for the most cases they must be taken seriously because you don't get that many people to react to a damn weather balloon or a comet. They are so numerous that you must also consider that - unless they are having some huge conspiracy, they have to be telling the truth as best they can. you cannot get so many thousands of people to react like that in one night. It never happened before that and hasn't happened since. Shouldn't these confused, nervous nellies be having these sightings once a month, say??

Anyway, the government is the liar, the people are mostly telling the ,
truth and you find it convenient to believe proven liars in this case.

your critical thinking here is critically ill
, sorry.


View Postpsyche101, on 25 October 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

That I agree with that. Yes I do not deny people saw something. Yet evidence does not support the erratic claims of a giant craft.


Well you never did see any radar evidence and you never *will*. I am not sure where you can just slough off the people as "no evidence".
In fact, I am sure you cannot. They were there, you weren't. And like it or not, "eye witness testimony" is allowed in court.

And by the way,
What these people saw and the way they described it, varied. We already talked about this.

If you can believe that there are no similarities to a boomerrang and a crescent, or a V-shaped craft, or a carpenter's square shape,
than in MO, you are being grossly unfair. the shapes are similar. the people viewing are not professionals trained to be looking for UFO's, nor were they ready to see any UFO's that night, they got caught faltfooted. Alos, it was night, it was dark.

what do you want from them, the name, make and model of the craft?
I mean, really?! they never *saw* one of these before

I think they did fine under the circumstances.


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:33 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 27 October 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Nobody ever said that flares explained everything. The 'V' shaped object sighted all over the place has never been explained as flares.The flares explanation only applies to the 10PM sighting in Phoenix. Every other sighting anywhere else at any other time has nothing to do with flares. A formation of planes has been suggested for all other sightings of a 'V' shaped object. That is the distinction I'm trying to point out to you.

I guess then what I am trying to explain to you is, the flare explanation doesn't hold water even at the 100 o'clock incident if the viewer is too far awyay beyond a certain distance. Prescott Valley is one such location.

I have not had time to see the entire database of sightings/times. Maybe some day

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:37 PM

View Postbee, on 28 October 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

actually I'm having second thoughts about the 'flares'.....even as a cover-up move to muddy the waters...





maybe the ten o'clock lights was (another?) Big Black Delta flying slowly and silently across the skies..... :w00t:

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Ya know, bee, I had a little time to think about it.

I did commit in here to thinking that the mother ship might be man made, and perhaps black delta.

I'm getting away from that. I do not think thye would ever fly it near a populaion center if they are trying to keep it hidden.

ET, or maybe humans from the future.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:49 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 29 October 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

But this was a particular operation that performed a high altitude drop.


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As far as I know, this aspect is not disputed.

doesn't matter. the flares won't ignite until 3000 feet of altitude.

I think I blew it, Psyche. I think I RE-replied to a post of yours that you already answered and now I have to get to your latest. not today, though

Ont thing really caught my eye in your most recent.
You mentioned that you disliked the Governor of Arizona because he, as a responsible politician is supposed to behave a certain way

I AGREE!!

first time ever? lets mark that on the calendar LOL


Now, on the subject then, of *"beavior" by a politican, how about the four Senators from Arizona/Nevada plus THIRTEEN reps? how they lookin'??

How about their behavior? -  or lack thereof. Where were they all thru this incident and in the days to follow? Talk about silent movies, Jeesh.

A *responsible* politician would at least talk to the people and try to calm their fears and promise to have in investigation to show s/he is concerned.

Not a useless one of them one did a DAMN thing.

Strange, or is it a conspiracy amongst them and Washington pols, intel, military?

remember now, no making stuff up LOL

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:56 PM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 05 November 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

doesn't matter. the flares won't ignite until 3000 feet of altitude.


I realize that you have some issues with me Earl, but I wonder if I might be able to trouble you with explaining why you are under the impression that flares wouldn't ignite until 3000 feet of altitude?


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:00 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 05 November 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

I realize that you have some issues with me Earl, but I wonder if I might be able to trouble you with explaining why you are under the impression that flares wouldn't ignite until 3000 feet of altitude?

Beat me to it. ^_^

Btw, welcome back EoT. I too would like to see where you got this little bit from. :tu:

Edit: From my understanding the LUU2/B flares work with a timer, not an altimeter so they could ignite at virtually any altitude depending on how they are configured.

Edit2: We are talking about the difference between normal operational procedures (ie ground illumination) as opposed to jettisoning unused flares which wouldn't necessarily have a maximum altitude deployment restriction.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:27 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 05 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Beat me to it. ^_^

Btw, welcome back EoT. I too would like to see where you got this little bit from. :tu:

Edit: From my understanding the LUU2/B flares work with a timer, not an altimeter so they could ignite at virtually any altitude depending on how they are configured.

Edit2: We are talking about the difference between normal operational procedures (ie ground illumination) as opposed to jettisoning unused flares which wouldn't necessarily have a maximum altitude deployment restriction.

Yes, they are on a timer.  Here are a handful of links which talk about them, for any interested.

http://www.fas.org/m...s/dumb/luu2.htm
http://www.tpub.com/aviord321/51.htm
http://www.globalsec...itions/luu2.htm
http://www.markwaki....ges/LUU-2BB.htm
http://www.ordnance.org/luu2bb.htm

In addition, here's a link to the flight manual for the A10-Warthog available on Scribd.





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