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[Oniomancer]

Wearer of Hats, on 19 December 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:

thelifespan of a modern CD is IIRC about 50 years, I can't for the life of me remember where I heard/read this, but an older CD has a shorter lifepsan beofre the information corrupts on the disk.

20-100. is the estimate. They've been known to fail in as little as 10-15, considerably less if they aren't cared for properly.

[Quaentum]

DingoLingo, on 19 December 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

oh.. on the part on the book with the 7 seals.. and the 144,000 file size allocation.. not bad.. but.. considering we are talking a 386 computer.. so it would have have a 5 1/4"  fdd.. so the disc memory size would be 320kb..  5 `1/4" drives were the standard drive on a 386.. unless the travelers go a 3 1/2" dd to install into it.. then the file size would be 1.44 mb.. so they would not have to worry about telling John about file allocation sizes.. since it would fit..

This is another part that shoots down his entire concept.  The 386 did not come with a CD drive as standard equipment.  In fact CD Drives didn't become common place in computers until 1997 and considering that 486 computers were introduced in 1989 and Pentium computers in 1993, there would have been no 386's with CD drives to be had.

[JGirl]

ok at the risk of appearing as though i'm trolling this thread, i will ask a third time...
does anyone, anyone at all, know where this guy claims to have found this 'book' ?
i have looked through the sites where this eddy person has posted stuff and haven't seen that info. i find it strange that no one has asked it (that i'm aware of) or that it isn't the first thing to substantiate before anything goes further with the whole concept.

[Oniomancer]

JGirl, on 19 December 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

ok at the risk of appearing as though i'm trolling this thread, i will ask a third time...
does anyone, anyone at all, know where this guy claims to have found this 'book' ?
i have looked through the sites where this eddy person has posted stuff and haven't seen that info. i find it strange that no one has asked it (that i'm aware of) or that it isn't the first thing to substantiate before anything goes further with the whole concept.

If I understand it correctly, he's not claiming to've "found" it so much as "identified" it AA style from some fancied superficial resemblance between descriptions in various ancient and more recent sources and the modern Encarta CD in question.

The whole thing is remarkably similar to a scifi story I read, back in the 90 as it happens, involving Galileo being taken before the Inquisition and shown a modern computer from the future.

[Archimedes]

The 'book' is the CD-ROM about ancient civilisations.

This is one of the oddest claims I've come across.  It's weird because even now, a PC with an Intel 386 CPU is something horribly out of date and belongs in a museum. Even if it was a laptop, remember how clunky and crap mid-1990s laptops were (compared with today's technology) with their dimly lit low-res LCD screens which you couldn't see if you were looking at it at an angle.

Why take some clunky old PC with a processor that came out in 1985, running CD-ROM software that ran in 256 colours at 640x480 resolution, when you could go back with something far niftier even using today's technology - an iPad running this app  - http://www.behance.n...CONCEPT/4833583

Much cooler,  hand-held technology with far superior graphics in a light thin package that's much easier and friendlier with its touchscreen interface than something like Windows 95 which is positively awkward and confusing compared with today's touch based OSs.   You could let the ancients get several hours of usage out of it without even needing an external power source.

Or a basic Kindle preloaded with illustrated e-books about ancient civilizations.  Even better battery life.  Those things can run for days of usage without needing recharging.

Or you could forget about the clunky ancient 386 PC and just give them an illustrated book about the subject.  No tech problems then.

Seriously, what a weird idea to take back a crappy old PC with CD-ROM software to show the ancients something.

[JGirl]

ok so he didn't 'find' anything per se.
he made his own cd containing information he sees as validating his theories and is now passing it off as...uh...yeah. nevermind.

[CRIPTIC CHAMELEON]

Oh no this is how it starts with chaotic ramblings, false information then soothsayer predictions 21-12-2012 run hide the end is nigh.  

[Oniomancer]

JGirl, on 19 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

ok so he didn't 'find' anything per se.
he made his own cd containing information he sees as validating his theories and is now passing it off as...uh...yeah. nevermind.

Close. He's saying an actual Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia CD was time traveled along with the comp and served as a source of divine inspiration through the ages.
I've got a copy of one myself right in front of me, circa '97. Now I just use wiki for everything. Imagine if they could've just established a broadband connection instead. The bandwidth charges would've been murder though.

[Likely Guy]

JGirl, on 19 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

ok so he didn't 'find' anything per se.
he made his own cd containing information he sees as validating his theories and is now passing it off as...uh...yeah. nevermind.

But look at the bright side. He got a few more people to look at the web site. I think that the counter was at '491' when I was there.

[JGirl]

Likely Guy, on 20 December 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

But look at the bright side. He got a few more people to look at the web site. I think that the counter was at '491' when I was there.

he's got this stuff all over the internet too. so that's not many hits i would think lol
anyway, no shortage of wingnuts out there.

Oniomancer, on 19 December 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Close. He's saying an actual Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia CD was time traveled along with the comp and served as a source of divine inspiration through the ages.
I've got a copy of one myself right in front of me, circa '97. Now I just use wiki for everything. Imagine if they could've just established a broadband connection instead. The bandwidth charges would've been murder though.

he's probably using that particular model because he actually has one at home

[Eddy_P]

DingoLingo, on 19 December 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

Have either of you had any formal training in languages? or have you just learned from reading books on ancient languages that others have written?

Only as far as high school languages for me.

But what Pegg has found isn’t ‘translation’ as such using language. It is returning the English use of words (as found in the KJV Bible as referenced in Strong’s Concordance) to their original meaning and context.

Like the child’s game of chinese whispers, what was originally seen, then told, then retold over periods of time changed may have changed somewhat.

To learn a language, one will learn all the old mistakes that were made.

Just looking in the Lexicons of Strong’s Concordance, anyone can plainly see that what the Old English scribes ‘gave’ as their translation, often in many cases, is not what the original Hebrew nor Greek word meant.

DingoLingo, on 19 December 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

considering we are talking a 386 computer.. so it would have have a 5 1/4"  fdd.. so the disc memory size would be 320kb..  5 `1/4" drives were the standard drive on a 386.. unless the travelers go a 3 1/2" dd to install into it.. then the file size would be 1.44 mb..

Quaentum, on 19 December 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

The 386 did not come with a CD drive as standard equipment.  In fact CD Drives didn't become common place in computers until 1997 and considering that 486 computers were introduced in 1989 and Pentium computers in 1993, there would have been no 386's with CD drives to be had.

Incorrect assumption.

I owned a 386PC which I upgraded with a sound card and a two speed cd-drive. We are talking Australia here, and at that time, the package came with the Grolier Encyclopedia cd-rom.

A 386PC did exist with a cd-rom. I had one.

[Eddy_P]

JGirl, on 19 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

he made his own cd containing information he sees as validating his theories and is now passing it off as...uh...yeah. nevermind.

No.

Ronald Pegg has made no cds.

When the contents of the 1995 produced Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multimedia cd-rom is compared with over 200 descriptions from the three* ancient texts RE: the OP, there is over a 95 percent match of details.

Pegg did not and was not involved in the making of the cd-rom; nor the KJV Bible; nor the Lexicons in Strong’s Concordance.

Using these historical items as references, there is a match of data.

Pegg just happened to be the one who discovered it all.

* so far there are over 20 other ancient texts that also contain descriptions of the contents of the cd-rom.

Some of those Case Studies are mentioned on the new site:

http://www.tt2012.co...eals/index.html

[JGirl]

Eddy_P, on 22 December 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

No.

Ronald Pegg has made no cds.

When the contents of the 1995 produced Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multimedia cd-rom is compared with over 200 descriptions from the three* ancient texts RE: the OP, there is over a 95 percent match of details.

Pegg did not and was not involved in the making of the cd-rom; nor the KJV Bible; nor the Lexicons in Strong’s Concordance.

Using these historical items as references, there is a match of data.

Pegg just happened to be the one who discovered it all.

* so far there are over 20 other ancient texts that also contain descriptions of the contents of the cd-rom.

Some of those Case Studies are mentioned on the new site:

http://www.tt2012.co...eals/index.html

where was the cd found if he did not make it? where geographically was it found?

[R4z3rsPar4d0x]

WOW and I thought Iv heard it all

Edited by R4z3rsPar4d0x, 22 December 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[Archimedes]

JGirl, on 22 December 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

where was the cd found if he did not make it? where geographically was it found?

It wasn't "found" like some sort of historical artefact.

The claim is that a copy of a CD-ROM produced in 1995 called "Ancient Civilisations of the Mediterranean" was sent back in time along with a 386-based PC for viewing it and that ancient people used it as inspiration for stuff they did and that as a result it closely matches some descriptions in ancient texts.  The person making the claim says that he has made many amazing close matches between the CD-ROM and ancient texts and this is proof that they had access to this CD-ROM, not that he has found the actual CD that travelled through time.

The CD-ROM in question is, amazingly, on sale on Amazon still - http://www.amazon.co...n/dp/B00004UCOQ

Good luck anyone trying to get it running, as it was designed for Windows 3.1

I think that's the rough idea anyway.  I came across this same claim years ago on another forum.  It's definitely one of the odder claims I've come across.  Why would someone with the technology necessary for time travel use such an archaic technology when, like I said, you could send back an iPad or Kindle with the same info on it and which are much smaller, lighter and easier to use.

Edited by Archimedes, 22 December 2012 - 08:38 PM.