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#1    Kowalski

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:50 PM

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More Obama aides knew of IRS audit; Obama not told



WASHINGTON (AP) — White House chief of staff Denis McDonough and other senior advisers knew in late April that an impending report was likely to say the IRS had inappropriately targeted conservative groups, President Barack Obama's spokesman disclosed Monday, expanding the circle of top officials who knew of the audit beyond those named earlier.
But McDonough and the other advisers did not tell Obama, leaving him to learn about the politically perilous results of the internal investigation from news reports more than two weeks later, officials said.
The Treasury Department also told the White House twice in the weeks leading up to the IRS disclosure that the tax agency planned to make the targeting public, a Treasury official said.
The apparent decision to keep the president in the dark about the matter underscores the White House's cautious legal approach to controversies and reflects a desire by top advisers to distance Obama from troubles threatening his administration.
Obama spokesman Jay Carney defended keeping the president out of the loop on the Internal Revenue Service audit, saying Obama was comfortable with the fact that "some matters are not appropriate to convey to him, and this is one of them."
"It is absolutely a cardinal rule as we see it that we do not intervene in ongoing investigations," Carney said.


Who is running this country???


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

At this point I'm not sure if I believe them.  They might just be trying to take the blame for Obama on the grounds of plausible deniability.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

View PostKowalski, on 21 May 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Who is running this country???
The IRS. Oops, I thought you said ruining.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:28 PM

Welcome to a "fundamentally changed" America.  And the ride's but halfway done...

  We've cast the world, we've set the stage,
  for what could be, the darkest age...

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostKowalski, on 21 May 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:




Who is running this country???

Good guestion.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

Sometimes I wonder who is running it.  I put my money on the banks and corporations.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:47 PM

It's just like Benghazi. Something like this happens, and no one thinks it's important enough to tell the President?? Seriously? :no:

And how do we know their not lying or covering for him so they don't lose their jobs?


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:16 PM

The simple fact of the matter is that the President (any President) cannot be aware of every Depts actions. To do so would be to completely paralyse the function of Govt. It really does not matter which grouping of people the IRS target because there will be defaulters, tax evaders in every single one of them. Tell me I am wrong!

@Kowalski... how do you KNOW they are lying? Or are you just resorting to hyperbole and finger pointing?

Edited by keithisco, 21 May 2013 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:22 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 21 May 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

The simple fact of the matter is that the President (any President) cannot be aware of every Depts actions. To do so would be to completely paralyse the function of Govt. It really does not matter which grouping of people the IRS target because there will be defaulters, tax evaders in every single one of them. Tell me I am wrong!

@Kowalski... how do you KNOW they are lying? Or are you just resorting to hyperbole and finger pointing?

I didn't SAY they were lying.
I said How do we know they aren't lying.....


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 21 May 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

The simple fact of the matter is that the President (any President) cannot be aware of every Depts actions. To do so would be to completely paralyse the function of Govt. It really does not matter which grouping of people the IRS target because there will be defaulters, tax evaders in every single one of them. Tell me I am wrong!

@Kowalski... how do you KNOW they are lying? Or are you just resorting to hyperbole and finger pointing?

That is what obama did during his first term, hyperbole and finger pointing.  Now it is just hyperbole.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:32 PM

View Postdanielost, on 21 May 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

That is what obama did during his first term, hyperbole and finger pointing.  Now it is just hyperbole.

Yep, it's always Bush's fault.....


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:07 AM

Everyone on the WH Staff knew but the smartest man to ever sit as president.  Remember we were told that when Obama the community organizer was running for president.  I was astounded that anyone could buy that rubbish about such a sleazy man.

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:10 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 21 May 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

The simple fact of the matter is that the President (any President) cannot be aware of every Depts actions. To do so would be to completely paralyse the function of Govt. It really does not matter which grouping of people the IRS target because there will be defaulters, tax evaders in every single one of them. Tell me I am wrong!

You could be wrong but I won't join your battle of absolutes. I will however just throw it out there and say that the TEA Party are one of the biggest political enemies of Obamas career, if not thee biggest of them all. Would I be absolutely wrong to suggest that it is unreasonable to believe that the POTUS knew nothing of this when everybody all the way up to the White House Chief of Staff knew about this little thing? All I'm talking about is wether he knew and not the devious scheme and who set it up. If he didn't know, there is something wrong. If he did there is even more wrong.
Btw, the point of this post is that while I agree that every little thing being brought up would paralyze government(though I think thats a dramatic description) but this isn't/wasn't some fleeting issue best left to his lackeys to handle without his consent ever, let alone during an election cycle.

Edited by F3SS, 22 May 2013 - 01:11 AM.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:06 PM

View PostKowalski, on 21 May 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Who is running this country???

You proceed from a false assumption. no one person. It's an entire administration.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

View Postninjadude, on 22 May 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

You proceed from a false assumption. no one person. It's an entire administration.

Unless it is Bush.  :w00t:

You asked for Obamamerica, now you are going to get it.  Stand by for suck or as Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".





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