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#31    Babe Ruth

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:45 PM

View Posthetrodoxly, on 16 August 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Britain has an obligation to extradite him to Sweden they can't just let him leave the country.

Under what law is Britain obligated to extradite him?

You might not know, but Assange has not even been indicted in Sweden.  He is wanted for QUESTIONING.  There is no warrant for his arrest.

And just to keep things totally in perspective here, the first prosecutor in Sweden threw the case out for lack of merit.  It took a second, more politically 'connected' prosecutor to revive the case.

It is a fraud.  Assange is a political enemy, nothing more.  In this time of universal deceit, he chose to tell the truth.  Indeed, as Orwell pointed out, that was a radical act against the establishment.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:50 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 17 August 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Under what law is Britain obligated to extradite him?

You might not know, but Assange has not even been indicted in Sweden.  He is wanted for QUESTIONING.  There is no warrant for his arrest.

And just to keep things totally in perspective here, the first prosecutor in Sweden threw the case out for lack of merit.  It took a second, more politically 'connected' prosecutor to revive the case.

It is a fraud.  Assange is a political enemy, nothing more.  In this time of universal deceit, he chose to tell the truth.  Indeed, as Orwell pointed out, that was a radical act against the establishment.

This is a distortion of the Swedish Legal Process.

Under their laws Questioning needs to happen before arrest. No matter what the allegations or evidence this is the process their Police Officers have to follow.

Assange is a crook and is trying to escape justice. He lost all his appeals in the UK which were followed properly so he runs off to the only embassy which will have him. Lets offer to let him sit a lie detector test in the embassy and then you'll see his true colours.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:53 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 17 August 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Under what law is Britain obligated to extradite him?

You might not know, but Assange has not even been indicted in Sweden.  He is wanted for QUESTIONING.  There is no warrant for his arrest.

And just to keep things totally in perspective here, the first prosecutor in Sweden threw the case out for lack of merit.  It took a second, more politically 'connected' prosecutor to revive the case.

It is a fraud.  Assange is a political enemy, nothing more.  In this time of universal deceit, he chose to tell the truth.  Indeed, as Orwell pointed out, that was a radical act against the establishment.

Is that right, only wanted for questioning ? Have the Swedish police not travelled to the UK to question him ? If not, it is farcical.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:08 PM

That is exactly the case Habitat.

Research it yourself if you wish.  He and his British attorney offered to interview in person in Britain, over the phone if the Swedes wished, or any other way, except he was not going back to Sweden because they were trying to trap him for the Americans.

The case is a travesty.  Don't know if it's true, but one of the women supposedly has some past history of involvement with the CIA in Cuba I think.

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From whom has Assange stolen?  Why do you call him a crook?


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:15 PM

Can someone remind me what the hell he's doing over here to begin with? What did he come here for, to try and use our laws regarding genuine cases of political asylum to try and wriggle out of the mess he created...

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:18 PM

@ expandmymind. Yeah the government we elected - so our enemies too.

What I dont understand is why doesn't Britain just extradite him to America if that's what it's all about. If the sex case thing is just a smoke screen why not do away with and send him back from here - is Britain America's lapdog or not?

Edited by tyrant lizard, 17 August 2012 - 01:20 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:20 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 17 August 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

That is exactly the case Habitat.

Research it yourself if you wish.  He and his British attorney offered to interview in person in Britain, over the phone if the Swedes wished, or any other way, except he was not going back to Sweden because they were trying to trap him for the Americans.

The case is a travesty.  Don't know if it's true, but one of the women supposedly has some past history of involvement with the CIA in Cuba I think.

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From whom has Assange stolen?  Why do you call him a crook?

Once again the Swedish justice system works differently that ours in that a person must be questioned before they can be legally arrested. The Swedes have also received no extradition request from the US.

You guys support someone trying to evade justice. This is the UK for Christs sake not North Korea. Our justice system is fair and he has spent the last 1 1/2 year going through it. He hasnt a leg to stand on so he runs to Ecuador to save him.

He is sick in the head.

View Posttyrant lizard, on 17 August 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

Yeah the government we elected - so our enemies too.

What I dont understand is why doesn't Britain just extradite him to America if that's what it's all about. If the sex case thing is just a smoke screen why not do away with and send him back from here - is Britain America's lapdog or not?

Its easier to extradite him from the UK than sweden which again reveals the flaw in this conspiracy.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 01:29 PM

View Posttyrant lizard, on 17 August 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

@ expandmymind. Yeah the government we elected - so our enemies too.


Just because 'we' elected them does not in any way then make their enemies ours. We have literally no control over what our governments do when they become elected. If Britain randomly decided to bomb Norway, would the Norwegians then be my enemies? Don't think so...

I'm not going to jump on the 'patriotic', 'nationalist', bandwagon, just because a cabinet controlled by power and money hungry elites decide they want to go to war with someone for THEIR profit and gain.

I'll just wait for the Argies to attack again (a righteous war), thank you very much...


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:57 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 17 August 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Just because 'we' elected them does not in any way then make their enemies ours. We have literally no control over what our governments do when they become elected. If Britain randomly decided to bomb Norway, would the Norwegians then be my enemies? Don't think so...

I'm not going to jump on the 'patriotic', 'nationalist', bandwagon, just because a cabinet controlled by power and money hungry elites decide they want to go to war with someone for THEIR profit and gain.

I'll just wait for the Argies to attack again (a righteous war), thank you very much...
What you say is true of course. But show me one country in the world where all the citizens agree with everything their government is doing. There can be no total democraceis in the world, there are too many people and it just wouldnt work. If you wanted to do a referendum on all aspects of government you'd never get anything done. We elect our leaders - our leaders lead. That's just how it is. And as for power hungry elites at the top, who else are you going to find there?


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:45 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 17 August 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Once again the Swedish justice system works differently that ours in that a person must be questioned before they can be legally arrested. The Swedes have also received no extradition request from the US.

You guys support someone trying to evade justice. This is the UK for Christs sake not North Korea. Our justice system is fair and he has spent the last 1 1/2 year going through it. He hasnt a leg to stand on so he runs to Ecuador to save him.

He is sick in the head.



Its easier to extradite him from the UK than sweden which again reveals the flaw in this conspiracy.

If the Swedes had their hearts set on delivering justice in the case, one would think they would send a bloody investigator to interview Assange to get to the bottom of the controversy.  You know, that archaic concept of "listening to both sides?"

Evade justice?  How so?  Maybe in Sweden one is presumed guilty until one can prove one's innocence, but in most jurisdictions one is considered innocent until they can be proven guilty.

And let's consider the "crime".  Apparently, and we can only surmise because the Swedes have kept this all hush-hush after the FIRST prosecutor found no case, Assange is accused of having used a defective condom during consensual relations with 2 women.

That requires extradition?  If the case is so clear, why no indictment?  Why no warrant?

Anybody with a scintilla of common sense who pays attention to international news stories knows this is about only ONE thing: Assange was instrumental in exposing the heinous crimes of the US government.  He and Bradley Manning are political prisoners, and are paying a price for having stood on the side of decency.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 17 August 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

If the Swedes had their hearts set on delivering justice in the case, one would think they would send a bloody investigator to interview Assange to get to the bottom of the controversy.  You know, that archaic concept of "listening to both sides?"

Evade justice?  How so?  Maybe in Sweden one is presumed guilty until one can prove one's innocence, but in most jurisdictions one is considered innocent until they can be proven guilty.

And let's consider the "crime".  Apparently, and we can only surmise because the Swedes have kept this all hush-hush after the FIRST prosecutor found no case, Assange is accused of having used a defective condom during consensual relations with 2 women.

That requires extradition?  If the case is so clear, why no indictment?  Why no warrant?

Anybody with a scintilla of common sense who pays attention to international news stories knows this is about only ONE thing: Assange was instrumental in exposing the heinous crimes of the US government.  He and Bradley Manning are political prisoners, and are paying a price for having stood on the side of decency.
So why isnt the U.K extraditing him to America?

And I wouldnt call putting peoples lives in danger by giving out their addressess decent.


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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:51 PM

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Under what law is Britain obligated to extradite him?

You might not know, but Assange has not even been indicted in Sweden.  He is wanted for QUESTIONING.  There is no warrant for his arrest.

On 18 November 2010, prosecutor Marianne Ny asked the local district court for a warrant for the arrest of Assange in order for him to be interviewed by the prosecutor (this would have been his second interview) though he had fled to England the Swedish court ordered him detained.
On appeal, the Svea Court of Appeal upheld the warrant on suspicion of rape.
On 6 December 2010, Scotland Yard notified Assange that a valid European arrest warrant had been received.
The Supreme Court of Sweden decided not to consider a further appeal.
The High Court found that the Swedish process has reached the stage of criminal proceedings, which would be equivalent to having been charged under English process.

He fled Sweden for no other reason than to avoid it's criminal justice system, it doesn't matter if he's innocent or guilty what right minded person would oppose him facing these allegations?

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 09:53 PM

Heard some local radio interviews earlier.  It seems that many supporters believe he was about to reveal secrets about UFO's...................Cuckoo

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:32 AM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 17 August 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:



You mean pro-government -

1. Wikileaks is a security threat to 1000s of ordinary people.

But nobody has died.


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2. It damaged international relations with US aliies.

Good, you shouldn't trust allies that spy on you.

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3. It undermines national security.

The government says that about everything they don't like, regardless if it's true or not.

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4. Its espionage.

Debateable. Wikileaks just publishes the material.

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Assange needs assassinating by the state. A person does not have the right to undermine the safety of 1000s and the state because their own narcissism tells them to do it.

Thats the nanny state mentality right there. How many peoples safety is undermined by the actions of their government? We don't know if they aren't transparent.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:14 PM

View PostCradle of Fish, on 18 August 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

But nobody has died.




Good, you shouldn't trust allies that spy on you.



The government says that about everything they don't like, regardless if it's true or not.



Debateable. Wikileaks just publishes the material.



Thats the nanny state mentality right there. How many peoples safety is undermined by the actions of their government? We don't know if they aren't transparent.

Sounds to me like he wants the best of both worlds. He wants to expose the secrets of countries he's not even a citizen of, which in turn exposes the politicians at the heart of them (not a bad thing in itself, since they are accountable to those that elected them)...he however doesn't want to be accountable for anything...he thinks secrets should be exposed, but he can do what he likes and should be immune from the law.

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