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[aztek]

-Mr_Fess-, on 27 November 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

but if an unarmed teenage girl broke into your house and you dropped her thereby eliminating any real threat could you honestly say that you would walk up to her and blow her brains out execution style?

no i would not. even if it was fat old stinky man. i'd try to get the job done right with first shots, but i really hope i would not have to kill anyone. even if justified.
the fact that it would be a teen age girl would not matter 1 bit. they are just as deadly. even more since most would hesitate to shoot them.

[aztek]

DieChecker, on 27 November 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Even that is different from putting a gun under the chin of someone on the ground and blowing the top of their head off. Popping off more shots in fear or stress because someone kept moving is understandable, but going slowly over, pulling up their head, placing the gun under the chin, at just the right angle, and pulling the trigger is murder, not defense.

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yes, i agree

[F3SS]

aztek, on 27 November 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

no i would not. even if it was fat old stinky man. i'd try to get the job done right with first shots, but i really hope i would not have to kill anyone. even if justified.
the fact that it would be a teen age girl would not matter 1 bit. they are just as deadly. even more since most would hesitate to shoot them.

Killing a grown man is one thing but to see a kids face and still have the will to kill takes an entirely different mindset I think and my point was that I believe at the face of this story that this guy is definitely off his rocker. I think even some seasoned murderers would agree with that. Any seasoned murderers here to back me up? If so, don't go dodging my question now.

[aztek]

-Mr_Fess-, on 27 November 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Killing a grown man is one thing but to see a kids face and still have the will to kill takes an entirely different mindset I think

it take simple mindset, either that cute kids face kills you, or you kill her, idk about you, but i,m not willing to gamble like that. braking into my house, she already gave me good reasons not to trust her. and expect anything.

[joc]

If someone breaks into my house and I'm there...I will kill them...dead...and then ask the tough questions...if they are running away...no.
And Guess What...at least in Texas (at least the last time I checked) you can shoot someone running off with your stuff..but...there is also a thing called CIVIL SUIT! Yeah, is it worth getting sued by the relatives of the deceased over a 300 guitar?  Your call...

Take my stuff...but if you threaten me...I will kill you!  And being in my house is threatening me.

[aztek]

there are laws in some states that prohibit suing a victim.

[F3SS]

aztek, on 27 November 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

it take simple mindset, either that cute kids face kills you, or you kill her, idk about you, but i,m not willing to gamble like that. braking into my house, she already gave me good reasons not to trust her. and expect anything.

But that's the whole point Aztek, nothing in this story says she was a threat after the first shot and nothing suggests she had any ability to cause further harm. All she had was a laugh and unless she was a laughing screaming banshee I can't condone blowing her head off. Don't mistake me for defending the criminal kids. I already said they were worthless. A gamble is when it's dark or something's blocking your view and you can't assess the threat. Unless your up against Jack Bauer grabbing a wounded person by the head and putting your pistol under their chin is no longer a gamble. At that point it's safe to say you are in control of the situation.

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 27 November 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[Zalanox]

Both sides screwed up bad.

Firing shots at intruders is very understandable. Dragging them into the basement afterwards and blowing their brains out is not. Old man is obviously messed up.

Those teens should have known that home invasion is one of the most dangerous crimes you can commit. You just might pick the wrong place to rob and break into a nutjob's house.

[DieChecker]

aztek, on 27 November 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

you really don't want to leave burglars alive, they will sue you and win, it happened before. not to mention big  chance he will come back later, not to rob, but to kill you this time. it also happened before.

Yeah, but like JOC just pointed out... The robbers familys are still going to sue you. And their Criminal friends are probably going to come over and Rob him again, once he's put into cuffs and held in the local jail pending a bond hearing. So... you can't win by killing robbers. You can only win by defending your home. It is not like this guy was in the middle of the Louisiana Bayou and could fire as many bullets as he wanted and dump the bodies into a swamp. People heard the shots and police showed up within minutes.

Edited by DieChecker, 28 November 2012 - 01:49 AM.

[supervike]

Man, I don't know.  This whole story sounds fishy.  The girl, after hearing several shots, decides to go into the basement to check it out?  The guy moves the bodies?

[glorybebe]

supervike, on 28 November 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Man, I don't know.  This whole story sounds fishy.  The girl, after hearing several shots, decides to go into the basement to check it out?  The guy moves the bodies?

Yeah, I agree.  It seems quite bizarre.

[JGirl]

ouija ouija, on 26 November 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

http://www.dailymail...anksgiving.html

Friends and relatives say the teens should not have been shot dead. This is the eighth time his home has been robbed and the dead teens were more than likely responsible for at least some of those crimes.

I think if you trespass you have to accept that anything could happen to you ..... that's a risk you choose to take. From the article, I think he was perfectly justified in what he did. What do you think?

i think he murdered them plain and simple.
he sat there and waited for the girl without saying a word, he did not have to shoot either of them. he wanted to and he said as much.

[ouija ouija]

DieChecker, on 28 November 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:

Yeah, but like JOC just pointed out... The robbers familys are still going to sue you. And their Criminal friends are probably going to come over and Rob him again, once he's put into cuffs and held in the local jail pending a bond hearing. So... you can't win by killing robbers.

Maybe it's because he knew this that he thought he might as well spend the rest of his life in jail?

[Wickian]

While the guy did go overboard and he should be charged with murder, I still think the burglars are at just as much fault as him for their death.

[glorybebe]

Wickian, on 28 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

While the guy did go overboard and he should be charged with murder, I still think the burglars are at just as much fault as him for their death.

Yes, they put themselves in a bad position.  And really, the parents should have taught them right from wrong.  If they were getting help for the girl and her drug problem, or were invilved enough in her life to know about the drug problem, this might have been avoided.