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#151    freetoroam

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

View Post.AKUMA., on 21 January 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Yes I know what your reffering too, I believe they were also kicked of the streets by their own people?.... Were they not?
And lol they were hardly a politcal party just a group of thugs spreading anti western propaganda.
They were kicked off the streets by another section of the muslim religion AND the English people. This group of thugs are still here, we can not even get them deported because of the human rights brigade.
These thugs are bringing their children up with the same ideas, hopefully something along the way will teach the children not to go down that route.
These thugs are still here and growing.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 21 January 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

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These thugs are bringing their children up with the same ideas, hopefully something along the way will teach the children not to go down that route.


Indeed. Education, it seems, might be the only lasting solution.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

View Postpallidin, on 21 January 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Indeed. Education, it seems, might be the only lasting solution.

this is from 2011 and was filmed secretly, but it is not the only islamic school out there, not saying they are all as brutal, but the fact is they are all teaching religious apartheid and the parents know it, thats why they send them there.

http://www.dailymail...ils-beaten.html

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

View Postpallidin, on 21 January 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Indeed. Education, it seems, might be the only lasting solution.
We already declared war on the "radical ideology of hate" that you're focusing on, and meanwhile we're subsidizing it in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, and Egypt.   It seems clear that if education is the answer, then war cannot be.

The Middle East is going to be what it is despite our violent interventionism.   If people care about indoctrinating/educating Islamic people, I'm sure there's a charitable donation for that.   Freedom and voluntarism is the answer to your concern too.  Not tyranny and force.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostYamato, on 21 January 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

We already declared war on the "radical ideology of hate" that you're focusing on, and meanwhile we're subsidizing it in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, and Egypt.   It seems clear that if education is the answer, then war cannot be.

The Middle East is going to be what it is despite our violent interventionism.   If people care about indoctrinating/educating Islamic people, I'm sure there's a charitable donation for that.   Freedom and voluntarism is the answer to your concern too.  Not tyranny and force.

the education he was referring to was about my post on the children who are being brought up in a western country to hate westerners, please see above link.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 21 January 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

the education he was referring to was about my post on the children who are being brought up in a western country to hate westerners, please see above link.
The same question is still begged, why his limited reference?   Why not teach children not to hate, period?    We teach the reverse and ignore what we're doing, only to declare more war on top of it?   No thanks.  I've had enough insanity; it's time to start expecting the same result.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:07 PM

...  there is no "THEY".   Muslims are not all united in one great fearsome horde.  They are fragmented.   'They'   seem to be very tribal and covenant bound and their warrior past still has a powerful hold on 'them'.   That's   one reason   they fight amongst themselves .  They can't agree on anything long enough to pose a united threat to anyone imo. That's really all i wanted to say,  in response to lumping the entire world's Muslims into  one confined and inaccurate  category .
   As  far as Islam taking over the world... is everyone else going to convert  all of a sudden?  I know i'm not going to...  and i'm one of how many hundred millions of others that aren't going to either?   IF, one day the majority of the U.S. is Muslim, or any other group,  and that group gains the political power to empower it's will ...   so be it.  That's the way a Democratic Republic works?   .. but i can't see it happnin.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:15 PM

View PostYamato, on 21 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

The same question is still begged, why his limited reference?   Why not teach children not to hate, period? We teach the reverse and ignore what we're doing, only to declare more war on top of it?   No thanks.  I've had enough insanity; it's time to start expecting the same result.
Teaching not to hate, period, we can only hope is something parents are already teaching them at home, but this is children being sent to a school by their parents to hate the people in the country they live in.  i do not know of any other religious group who are teaching this kind of hate with in their schools.

As for the wars,  we should never have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan, and am against subsidizing it in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, and Egypt.
I am also against people coming to our country from "war torn" areas and not even contemplating integrating into our society.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

View Postlightly, on 21 January 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

...  there is no "THEY".   Muslims are not all united in one great fearsome horde.
This has already been pointed out.
It has also been pointed out that if they do not even want to live side by side together when they are  part of the same religion, then why should we trust that they will be willing to live side by side with other religions altogether.....we have seen in many areas of England that they do not want to.

Edited by freetoroam, 21 January 2013 - 09:03 PM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

View Postlightly, on 21 January 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

... c They are fragmented.   'They'   seem to be very tribal and covenant bound and their warrior past still has a powerful hold on 'them'.   That's   one reason   they fight amongst themselves .  They can't agree on anything long enough to pose a united threat to anyone imo. That's really all i wanted to say,  in response to lumping the entire world's Muslims into  one confined and inaccurate  category .
   As  far as Islam taking over the world... is everyone else going to convert  all of a sudden?  I know i'm not going to...  and i'm one of how many hundred millions of others that aren't going to either?   IF, one day the majority of the U.S. is Muslim, or any other group,  and that group gains the political power to empower it's will ...   so be it.  That's the way a Democratic Republic works?   .. but i can't see it happnin.
There does not need to be a "horde" in the days of asymmetric warfare.  Nineteen men with box cutters, remember 9-11?  Small groups of zealots can create enough turmoil to keep us at war indefinitely.  If we cease operations against them and walk away do you think they will just say oh well..... I guess that's over?  Does it occur to you that such zealots will look upon a retreat as a sign of weakness and that they will be emboldened to strike even harder?  Do you believe it is impossible that a major European or US city could be attacked with chemical biological or nuclear weapons?  Because there are a LOT of people out there with years of study in these areas who say that threat is very real and quite close.  This is specifically why Syria is being handled as it is by the west, I think.  It's a real mess and if those chemical weapons get loose it's going to be hell on earth for some unfortunate souls.  I think that such an attack is only a matter of time because to actually have even a chance to stop them, we would have to be as insanely evil as they are.  And we don't have (thank God) what that requires.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:52 AM

View Postand then, on 21 January 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

  Small groups of zealots can create enough turmoil to keep us at war indefinitely.


sorry and then..  i just can't buy into it.     I agree with your words above .. only different.   I might be incredibly stupid and naive to not be scared out of my wits by  MUZZIES  .   so  be it.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:15 AM

View Postlightly, on 22 January 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

sorry and then..  i just can't buy into it. I agree with your words above .. only different.   I might be incredibly stupid and naive to not be scared out of my wits by  MUZZIES  .   so  be it.
Respectfully, Lightly, you misread me.  I am not scared by these vermin.  I respect the damage they can - and imo, will, do.  I would much rather die in such an attack than live in a society that becomes regimented to a point where I'm no longer free.  But that doesn't mean that the few cannot do great damage.  They have already PROVEN that point.  The board was set and the pieces started moving 11 years ago - or earlier.  I get the feeling we're all just along for the ride these days.  It gets much worse from here on, I think.  I hope I'm wrong and I certainly don't lose sleep over it.  What will be will be.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:38 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 21 January 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Teaching not to hate, period, we can only hope is something parents are already teaching them at home, but this is children being sent to a school by their parents to hate the people in the country they live in.  i do not know of any other religious group who are teaching this kind of hate with in their schools.

As for the wars,  we should never have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan, and am against subsidizing it in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Israel, and Egypt.
I am also against people coming to our country from "war torn" areas and not even contemplating integrating into our society.
"Be who you are, be yourself" is boundless don't you think?   It even works for Muslims.   I'm biased by experience and I've experienced some of the most lovely people I've ever met in my life, Muslims from war torn areas no less.   Since I'm not seeing any mass crime wave or other societal problem with Muslims fitting in, I haven't felt the need to be against anything because there are no problems with them residing here.   The stereotypes are thick and heavy; and as is almost always the case with stereotypes, the reality is very different.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:07 AM

View PostYamato, on 22 January 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

"Be who you are, be yourself" is boundless don't you think?   It even works for Muslims.   I'm biased by experience and I've experienced some of the most lovely people I've ever met in my life, Muslims from war torn areas no less.   Since I'm not seeing any mass crime wave or other societal problem with Muslims fitting in, I haven't felt the need to be against anything because there are no problems with them residing here.   The stereotypes are thick and heavy; and as is almost always the case with stereotypes, the reality is very different.
So the fact that you have met wonderful people who happen to be Muslims means that all Muslims are wonderful people?  When did anyone say that all Muslims are evil?  I have no doubt that they are as human as I and many are probably more devout in showing their beliefs.  But this does not change the fact that a very tiny minority of them can wreak havoc on this world -and ARE doing so today.  It's ridiculous to argue that this isn't true. And it is pointless to equivocate every group on the planet until the acts of all are either justified or vilified alike.  There is real evil in the world and acting as if all are the same is just denial with high flown rhetoric.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

View PostYamato, on 22 January 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

I'm biased by experience and I've experienced some of the most lovely people I've ever met in my life, Muslims from war torn areas no less.

and then has basically covered this.
if we lived on a world where  we can not say we have met nice people, no matter what religion, colour, sex or nationality they are, then we seriously would be in trouble.
please remember that this is about the islamic fundamentalists, and not about "Mr Arcmed" who although a muslim, has  integrated with the west and is not spewing hatred for the western country he has chosen to live in.

Edited by freetoroam, 22 January 2013 - 05:12 PM.

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