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#16    Jon Anon

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:20 PM

Zechariah 3


Key:
One witness is a "Priest" and one witness is a "King"

Pink/violet = "Priest"
Blue = "King"
yellow = "both king and priest working together"



King James Version (KJV)

3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.


Zechariah 4

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4 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.

2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Zechariah 6

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6 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.

2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;

3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?

5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.

7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.

8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.

9 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

10 Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah;

11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the Lord.

15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the Lord, and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.

Rev 11:

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Numbers 24:17:

I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not near: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Scepter shall rise out of Israel, and shall crush the forehead of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

Key
Blue is the king
Pink is the priest
yellow is them working together




Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.




Jeremiah 33 shows the Joshua half of the Branch
...notice no mention of the word "King" in these verses that is because it is the "Priest" side...the world is made up of male and female the kingdom of God is made up of kings and priests...kings masculine and priests feminine but not of the nature as we think of male and female on earth.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith "she" shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne(King) of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

KEY:
Blue is the king
Pink is the priest
Yellow is them working together as one
Red is Jesus

Isaiah 42

King James Version (KJV)

42 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.


5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.

11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.

16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.

19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant?

20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

KEY:

Blue is the king
Pink is the priest
Yellow is them working together
Red is Jesus:

Isaiah 44

King James Version (KJV)

44 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring

4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.

6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:23 PM

Malachi 2:

1And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
3Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
4And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.
5My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
7For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.


KEY:
The 2 witnesses one being a king and one a priest
Blue = king
Pink = priest

Psalm 23

King James Version (KJV)

23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

KEY:

Blue = king
Pink = priest
Yellow = priest and king working together
Red = Jesus

Isaiah 11

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11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked
(same as the two witnesses do in Rev 11 fire procedeth out of their mouth and destroys their enemies.)

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.(This is showing a second parting of the sea as in the times of Moses and Aaron but this time is is Judah and Ephraim the two witnesses)

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Key

King = blue
Jesus = red

Psalm 2

King James Version (KJV)

2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 07:46 AM

According to the Book read by at least a billion or two Christians, the greatest terrorists in all of human history will be Christian.

However, they don't need bombs, or weapons of mass destruction, or any of that.  All they have to do is open their mouths, as this is not human power they're using.

Given the success of the Harry Potter series, I'm amazed that no one in Hollywood has picked up on this.  You would think that with all the liberal writers, they would consider it highly entertaining.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:07 AM

View PostRaptor Witness, on 14 May 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

It's a simple question, but no one seems to be asking it.

Will the two witnesses in Revelation be considered terrorists?

View PostCopen, on 18 May 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

The two witnesses will be Enoch and Elijah. "All must die for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..." - physically. These two have not died physically. They were taken up to heaven without dying. The only way the scripture is true with no contradictions is if these two will someday return to earth, preach what people do not want to hear, and at God's appropriate timing are killed by their enemies, lie in the street of Jerusalem for 3 days, are resurrected and ascend into heaven.

Jews have always known Elijah is coming back. That's why they set an empty place for him at Passover. When Moses appeared to Jesus, the disciples thought at first it was Elijah.

That scripture also blows out of the water the Catholic teaching that the Blessed Virgin Mary never died. Of course she died. She was human. Flesh is short of the glory of God. It has to die. Flesh was never meant to inhabit heaven for an eternity.
May God bless us all is my prayer.



I think they will in some sense be considered terrorist by some.  But not in the way most see terrorism today. How can they. They come in the manifest power of God. It is said that they will be considered tormentors of those that dwell on the Earth. And the world rejoices at their deaths. They will not be actual Elijah or Enoch. Or actual Elijah and Moses as some believe. Many believe this because they don't understand the revelation of the personified Word of God or the power of his blood. The 2 witnesses will overcome through the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of their Testimony. Enoch represents the highest Adamic revelation of God. Elijah and Moses the highest spirituality of the Old Testament. The 2 witnesses represents the capstone of God's spiritual temple made of lively stones. The Revelation of Jesus Christ the end of all prophecy. The 2 witnesses are "given." (The word translated as power.) This "given" is a blank check and is not limited. It is not limited to the mighty deeds listed in Rev. 11. This they will do. But also there are other promises/prophecies they will perform "the greater works" are also among their exploits. (The non- Rev. 11 exploits are also apart of their witness of the blessedness of those that have followed the Way to completion. That completion is to be utterly leavened by the Living Word of God. The 2 are  the manifestation of the new creature  in fact and deed possessing and being possessed in their present moment by every promise that is yea and amen, which are all the promises of God. Because every promise of God is yea and amen in Messiah Yahshua. They are not pew sitters or church goers. Or want to be Christ-like beings. But they have become Christ in Fact messiahs (anointed ones) in leavened Union with Him who is the Vine that they abide in. That is why they are called "the anointed ones" or Sons of Oil. Their witness is of the Truth of the living Word of God personified. This revelation is greater than of actual Enoch and Elijah and Moses.

39And these all, (included in this cloud of witnesses is Enoch, Elijah, and Moses,) having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

The 2 merely recieves (is "given") the promise. This promise is the name of Jesus. Yah Saves. And Jesus is the salvation of Yah.

This truth convicts the whole world. Their witness is proof of this very fact. And sense the fullness of this revelation has come to the Congregation of the New Testament. They must be of that congregation and not another.  

Plus the idea that the 2 would be Elijah and Enoch because they need to come back and die is based on a misunderstanding of scripture and a general rule.

Not all will die.

51But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! 52It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. 53For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.

54Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die,j this Scripture will be fulfilled:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.k
55O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?l”
56For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. 57But thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.

May we all truly value and catch hold of and be transformed by the truth that the 2 are possessed by and thus possesses. May we know that they are not great in themselves but are merely transformed beings. Transformed by grace. the gift and the promise to all that have ears to hear and eyes to see the Good News.

The Gospel is not what most Christians think it is. It is the Way of transformation. Not in some "Pie in The Sky" future time but presently. For now is the time. Today is the day of the salvation of that New Creation.

Nothing is impossible to him that believes rightly. For he that understands the will of God will have faith in the Living Word of God and that seed will grow up inside him and bear the fruit of that same Word in abundance. And thus God will become all in all. This is what the 2 witness witness about "the kingdom to come of Jesus Christ)  through words and deeds and their very being.

Lastly a shout out to Waterman! I see we frequent the same threads.

My question to you is how do the Branch become the Branch? Now can not the perfected branch be called in essence "The Branch?"  Possessing all the perfect qualities of "branch-likeness." Hence the perfect will of the Husbandman for all branches that the Husbandman have grafted on to the The Vine or naturally grows from it, the Husbandman prunes with righteous purpose.

(A great branch of a vine would be considered vine-like. I think you see that.)

In others words, "The Branch" would be very like "The Vine."  King and Priest.  .

So in this you seem to be one the right path, Jon Anon.

Edited by SecretAgentOfDaLawd, 24 May 2013 - 12:28 AM.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:05 AM

There are three widely held views:

Enoch and Elijah

Moses and Elijah

Two future believers who are not yet known.

The problem with the first two is generally that since they have been in heaven for thousands of years it seems unlikely they would be sent to earth to be killed. However these two individuals do seem to possess the powers of both Moses and Elijah.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:17 PM

View PostSundew, on 24 May 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

There are three widely held views:

Enoch and Elijah

Moses and Elijah

Two future believers who are not yet known.

The problem with the first two is generally that since they have been in heaven for thousands of years it seems unlikely they would be sent to earth to be killed. However these two individuals do seem to possess the powers of both Moses and Elijah.

There are mysteries galore in all of this. But I am pretty sure that they are two unknowns. These forerunners partake of the role of the messiah coming.  John the Baptist partook of the Lamb. The 2 partakes of the Lion.  Jesus is not coming to be put on another cross. Has anyone heard of tough love? How about? "It is a terrible thing to be found in the hands of the living God?"




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Posted 27 May 2013 - 05:32 PM

View PostSecretAgentOfDaLawd, on 24 May 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

There are mysteries galore in all of this. But I am pretty sure that they are two unknowns. These forerunners partake of the role of the messiah coming.  John the Baptist partook of the Lamb. The 2 partakes of the Lion.  Jesus is not coming to be put on another cross. Has anyone heard of tough love? How about? "It is a terrible thing to be found in the hands of the living God?"
No one has ever been given carte blanche, not even Moses. In fact, Moses wasn't allowed to enter the Promised Land because he thought he had it. He was punished for showing off. Yet these men can and will do whatever they want. That's very different than anything we've seen before.

So the question then becomes, why? What other unique fingerprints do they have? Why are they given unrestrained power to destroy?

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:58 PM

Anon is right, they are priests and kings in God's kingdom.  But in regard to Revelation 11's two witnesses, they are Gentiles, rather than Jews.  See Rev. 10:11.

"And I was told, "You must again prophesy about many peoples and nations and languages and kings." (Revelation 10:11 ESV)

They are Gentiles who were included in the promises of Abraham.

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith." (Galatians 3:13, 14 ESV)

And also:

"Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits." (Matthew 21:43 ESV)

Edited by Bluefinger, 28 May 2013 - 12:59 PM.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:32 AM

I can see that this carte blanche aspect is difficult to explain for Bible students here, and elsewhere. There simply are no references to this in either the Old or New Testaments.

All the metaphors in the world can't explain it away, either.

I know this, because no superhero ever imagined by men has ever had carte blanche.

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