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#1    DKO

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 10:54 AM

Alexander Aan, an Indonesian civil servant who is currently in custody and facing an 11-year prison sentence for expressing his atheism on Facebook.

http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2012/05/indonesian-atheist-faces-long-jail.html

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"If you are not a religious person, you might be dangerous to others, behaving without control and doing anything you like. Religion brings order. You cannot be an individualist."

Like when the Muslims bombed Bali? Twice.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:42 AM

"You cannot be an individualist" - who get's to say something like that with a straight face these days?  Oh wait, that's right PSYCHOS, grrrr.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:35 PM

Read in the article he got attacked by a mob, as well.

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Aan is the first atheist to be tried for breaching this aspect of the Pancasila and, as the Guardian reports, his case has led to calls for his execution by hardline Islamists, and he was badly beaten while in custody by a mob who learned of the charges he is facing.

I'm not an Atheist, but even I know this is all wrong. Humanity is turning into uncivilized A-holes.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:53 PM

We've always been uncivilized a-holes. We just like to think otherwise 99% of the time.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM

View PostOffeiriad, on 08 May 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

We've always been uncivilized a-holes. We just like to think otherwise 99% of the time.

Agreed and good point. Just seems like since the population has increased worldwide, it's gotten worse. Either that or the news media brings it to our attention more often than they use to do. Not saying they shouldn't, by the way, just can't figure out which is most likely the case. Maybe both?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:59 PM

*sigh* I hate looking at things through religion. It's so hipocritical.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:41 PM

I just find it crazy that the Indonesian Government says they have 'freedom of religion' but only as long as they adhere to Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Buddhism, Confucianism or Hinduism.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:51 PM

".......his case has led to calls for his execution by hardline Islamists"

Would that be the same Islam that calls itself the 'Religion of Peace' and whose Holy Book forbids the taking of life?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:29 PM

View Postealdwita, on 08 May 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

".......his case has led to calls for his execution by hardline Islamists"

Would that be the same Islam that calls itself the 'Religion of Peace' and whose Holy Book forbids the taking of life?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:02 PM

View Postealdwita, on 08 May 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

".......his case has led to calls for his execution by hardline Islamists"

Would that be the same Islam that calls itself the 'Religion of Peace' and whose Holy Book forbids the taking of life?

View Postand then, on 08 May 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

One and the VERY same......

Oui and the same one that has followers get up in arms and want to see a middle aged school teacher flogged (and probably beheaded) because of the name a class of children gave to a teddy bear!  I have nothing against people having their own quiet beliefs but religious extremists ruin it for everyone with behaviour that shouldn't be tolerated anywhere.
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 05:58 PM

Religion is a tool to control masses of people to do the bidding of those who have the power of word over them, thus leads to stuff like this. I want nothing to do with religion if it will bring harm and death to those who want to express their individuality. To me religion is a medieval concept that has survived for far to long...

Edited by Uncle Sam, 20 May 2012 - 05:58 PM.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:17 AM

View PostUncle Sam, on 20 May 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Religion is a tool to control masses of people to do the bidding of those who have the power of word over them, thus leads to stuff like this. I want nothing to do with religion if it will bring harm and death to those who want to express their individuality. To me religion is a medieval concept that has survived for far to long...

I agree.  At this point in time, the world would probably be better off without religion.  An individual can benefit from religious beliefs, but society as a whole suffers from them.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:27 AM

wow thats harsh. jailed just by saying 3 words
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 07:19 AM

If this judge is saying religion brings order, is he not saying also that God does not need to exist, he is a convenience to control your unruly lot?

So shouldn't the judge also be on trial?

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 08:04 AM

View PostPurifier, on 08 May 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Agreed and good point. Just seems like since the population has increased worldwide, it's gotten worse. Either that or the news media brings it to our attention more often than they use to do. Not saying they shouldn't, by the way, just can't figure out which is most likely the case. Maybe both?
Actually continual studies show that the rates of violence have steadily decreased as we move from historical and pre-historical times, even counting the wars of the last couple of centuries. Now this is talking percentage wise related to population, you do have some increase due to population.
  Steven Pinker has a good book on this, actually.
Unfortunately, violence is a really cheap news story so we certainly hear about it more.

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