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#1    crystal sage

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Posted 12 June 2010 - 12:02 AM

Just brought to my attention at the Morien site..
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On a windy plateau in northern Laos, hundreds of three- to ten-foot-tall stone urns, some weighing as much as seven tons, lie scattered across a grassy plain. The local inhabitants say that the jars were made to celebrate a great military victory 1,500 years ago. The plain, so the story goes, was ruled by an evil king, named Chao Angka, who oppressed his people so terribly that they appealed to a good king to the north, named Khun Jeuam, to liberate them. Khun Jeuam and his army came, and after waging a great battle on the plain, defeated Chao Angka. Elated, Khun Jeuam ordered the construction of large jars to be used in making wine for a victory celebration.

The jars are at least as old as the legend claims, but if any were used for making wine, that was not their original function. In the 1930s, French archeologist Madeline Colani documented the jars in a 600-page monograph, The Megaliths of Upper Laos, concluding that they were funerary urns carved by a vanished Bronze Age people...

...Then who created the Plain of Jars? Colani, who was more willing to speculate than most modern archeologists, suggested that the sites in Laos were part of a far-ranging Bronze Age culture. She pointed out that some stone jars discovered in the North Cachar Hills of northeastern India, more than 600 miles to the northwest, had roughly the same design and dimensions as the urns in Laos. J.P. Mills and J.H. Hutton, the English scholars who discovered the Indian urns in 1928, found fragments of human bones in them, which they concluded were human remains. They noted that cremation was still being practiced by some of the Kuki, a people who had lived in the North Cachar Hills for centuries.

Colani also called attention to Sa Huynh, a site south of the city of Da Nang, Vietnam. There, urns of baked earth containing some human remains were found buried in the sand dunes along the shores of the South China Sea. Although these remains had not been cremated, the objects interred with them—including ceramic vases, small bronze bells, and beads—resembled those discovered on the Plain of Jars.


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I like the explanation of them being used for storing wine.  ^_^
Maybe the bones were the result of overenthusiastic revellers?


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French archaeologist Madelaine Colani excavated the jars in the 1930s. She discovered some contained bronze and iron tools and bracelets, along with glass beads, while the rest appeared to have been looted. These items led Colani to theorise that the jars were funerary urns, holding cremated remains. This theory has been strengthened by the more recent discovery of underground burial chambers, none of which appear to be open to the public.



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The first site is the biggest collection of jars in one place, but also somehow the least atmospheric. This could be because it’s the nearest site to Phonsovan and so gets the most visitors who don’t want to explore further afield – and it could be because the government has made efforts to develop this site as a tourist attraction. So far they’ve only sprung to a stall selling warm Coke and some fairly lacklustre history placards, but it still manages to impinge on the (obviously illusory) sense of discovering the Jars for yourself.

However, the first site is also a must-see, in that it contains the biggest jar of all, over 2 metres high and almost as wide. This sits at the top of another small hill, dwarfing its surrounding jars, and looking over a small field below which contains scores more jars. Farmland surrounds the rest of the site, with the wheat virtually growing around the nearest jars to the farm’s border. Sang took me through the jars to find the only one which has a human figure crudely carved in relief upon it. Nearby sits another jar with its lid in place, giving it a strangely comical air, like it’s wearing a hat. Although not a very natty one.




I gather those jars would have had many uses over the years.. maybe for grain storage.. would have kept food cold.. storing water..maybe  


More pictures here.. they look rather otherworldly...


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Posted 14 June 2010 - 01:52 AM

I read about this years and years ago. Very interesting. I'm of the opinion that they used the jars for whatever they needed, be it storing food, or burying the dead.
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 09:43 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 14 June 2010 - 01:52 AM, said:

I read about this years and years ago. Very interesting. I'm of the opinion that they used the jars for whatever they needed, be it storing food, or burying the dead.

As many objects like this, it might have started out as burial object and ended p being whatever was needed at the time, after being suitably looted of course. It would be interesting to compare them and the ones found in India for style and usage, and of course legends surrounding them. Legends can hold clues as to origin for example. Two regions, same legend, connection.

The pictures I must say are amazing, quite the sight. Kudos to the OP for posting the links.
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 11:57 AM

i feel it was the communal intoxication field -  :D
jars full of liquors, all guys gathered around the jars.....drinking themselves to hell... :rofl:

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 01:15 PM

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Another explanation for the jars' use is for collecting monsoon rainwater for the caravan travellers along their journey in a time where rain may have been only seasonal and water not readily available on the easiest foot traveled path.

Rainwater could then be boiled, even if stagnant, to become potable again, a practice long understood in Eastern Eurasia. The trade caravans that were camping around these jars and could have placed beads inside jars as an offering, to accompany prayers for rain or they might simply have been lost items.

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Maybe they were what the people of India adapted to their tandoor ovens..  to cook their chapatis


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Posted 14 June 2010 - 01:42 PM

View Postcrystal sage, on 14 June 2010 - 01:15 PM, said:

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Maybe they were what the people of India adapted to their tandoor ovens..  to cook their chapatis


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Kya Bola?? (it means "What did you say?" in  Hindi/Urdu)

Tandoor DID NOT come from Laos or east asia.

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The oldest examples of a tandoor were found in the Harappa and Mohenjo Daro settlements of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization, though earlier Tandoor type ovens have been recovered in early-Harappan contexts on the Makran coast, including the mound site of Balakot. In Sanskrit, the tandoor was referred to as kandu. The word tandoor comes from the Dari words tandūr and tannūr; these are derived from very similar terms, viz. Persian tanūr (تنور), Armenian "t’onir" (Թոնիր), Arabic tandūr, Turkish Tandır, Azeri təndir and Kurdish tendûr  (which all have the same meaning as explained in the article). However, according to Dehkhoda Persian Dictionary the word originates from Akkadian tinûru, and is mentioned as early as in the Akkadian Epic of Gilgames (reflexes of which are Avestan tanûra and Pahlavi tanûr). As such, the tandoor may not be of Semitic or Iranian origin altogether, dating back as it does to periods before the migration of Aryan and Semitic  people to the Iranian plateau and Mesopotamia.
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 01:58 PM

Cool post, I had never heard of these before.  This could be a huge tourist attraction.  They should definately develop it.   :tu:
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 03:27 PM

View PostThe Spartan, on 14 June 2010 - 01:42 PM, said:

Kya Bola?? (it means "What did you say?" in  Hindi/Urdu)

Tandoor DID NOT come from Laos or east asia.
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I did say maybe,,,

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She pointed out that some stone jars discovered in the North Cachar Hills of northeastern India, more than 600 miles to the northwest, had roughly the same design and dimensions as the urns in Laos

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If our interpretation is correct," Colani proposed, "we are in the presence of three links from the same chain: the ancient monoliths of Cachar, the stone jars of Tran Ninh [Xieng Khouang], and the necropolis of Sa Huynh." According to Colani, prehistoric salt traders had followed a caravan route from Sa huynh to Luang Prabang, located near the northwest edge of the Plain of Jars. Perhaps, she concluded, that route once extended all the way to the North Cachar Hills, and the people who lived along it shared a similar culture, burying their dead (cremated or not, depending upon local custom) in megalithic jars. Colani even drew a map with a line connecting the three sites, and suggested that explorers venturing along this line would find yet more jar sites.
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The Tandoor Oven is a North Indian invention and is made of clay and has the form of a barrel. The fire which burns at the flat bottom of the oven comes from charcoals, which heat the side walls of the Tandoor and allow a difference in temperature without the heat in the upper part being undiminished.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 03:47 PM

View PostThe Spartan, on 14 June 2010 - 01:42 PM, said:

Kya Bola?? (it means "What did you say?" in  Hindi/Urdu)

Tandoor DID NOT come from Laos or east asia.
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Spartan, you are of Indian descent, right?

Please post more about your people's history, and set these people straight. And I do know you already did, but some are deaf to facts.

I know you hate these idiot fantasies about ancient history as much as I do.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 04:14 PM

I am of Indian descent & Indian Citizenship.
My Ancestors were Syrian Christians who migrated to the southernmost State of kerala, centuries ago - We are known as the St. Thomas Christians.

Some folks still confuse the word "Indian' with the "Native Indians".
secondly when quote nonexistent passages from the Vedas/Mahabharata/Ramayana as evidence to ancient flying machines/Aliens/Atlantis etc..that gets my goat too.
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 07:39 PM

View PostThe Spartan, on 14 June 2010 - 04:14 PM, said:

I am of Indian descent & Indian Citizenship.
My Ancestors were Syrian Christians who migrated to the southernmost State of kerala, centuries ago - We are known as the St. Thomas Christians.

Some folks still confuse the word "Indian' with the "Native Indians".
secondly when quote nonexistent passages from the Vedas/Mahabharata/Ramayana as evidence to ancient flying machines/Aliens/Atlantis etc..that gets my goat too.

Isn't there some mention of flying machines in ancient times in India in various stories or texts? Or could the books have been badly translated?
I've heard of the St.Thomas Christians.They get their name if I remember correctly from St.Thomas the Apostle.
I know the Catholic Almanac mentions them, and St.Thomas went to India to preach the gospel.They really are very interesting.
I saw something on PBS once on these jars. I guess they have had various uses,reallyunusual.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 09:11 PM

View PostThe Spartan, on 14 June 2010 - 04:14 PM, said:

I am of Indian descent & Indian Citizenship.
My Ancestors were Syrian Christians who migrated to the southernmost State of kerala, centuries ago - We are known as the St. Thomas Christians.

Some folks still confuse the word "Indian' with the "Native Indians".
secondly when quote nonexistent passages from the Vedas/Mahabharata/Ramayana as evidence to ancient flying machines/Aliens/Atlantis etc..that gets my goat too.


The only ones who confuse "Indians" with "Native Americans" are the Americans. I'm not one of them.

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"Non-existent pages", I like that.

Talk about that a little bit more, please. Or maybe better, create a separate thread about it.

Some here are deaf to posts that tell them they were wrong believing in fantasies, but their excuse is that they just missed 'that post in that thread'.

A new thread about the true ancient history of India will cure them, and I think you are motivated enough to start a thread about the history of the Indian subcontinent.

India is one (of two, with China??) of the longest uninterrupted continuing civilizations on this planet.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:32 PM

The Plain of Jars  in Laos are iron age mystery. Science still cant agreed were they for burial practices or for storing a food or even water. Japanese archaeologists found human remains and ceramics around Jars not in Jars and they concluded they are tombs.  Some of those Jars weight 7 tones. There are similar Jars in North Cachar hills in northeast India. In those jars in India archaeologists find human remains from where we can conclude that Laos Jars are also graves but then what was that civilization that spread from India to Laos?
Anyway I read three different legends around jars. Dont know which one is real one. I one evil king Chao Angka ruled the plains until Khun Jeuam  defeated him and then his order to his soldiers to built jars as storage for wine to celebrate victory. That must be a hell of a party.  Second story said that Giants ruled the plains until Khun Cheung killed the giants and made jars as storage for rice and wine. Third one legend is quite interesting. It says that jars were molded from sand,clay,sugar and animals products such as dong. Also local people believe that one cave near site was kiln where jars were made.




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