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[and then]

What's your opinion on "right to work"?

http://www.foxnews.c...sts-from-union/

I support Unionization of private entities but NEVER for public employees.

[Rafterman]

People should be able to work without being forced to join organizations with which they may disagree.  Plain and simple.

[F3SS]

So what sounds better? The right to not pay for union dues if you don't want or no right to. Down with public unions. They're a drain on tax payers and little more than a legal mafia these days. They came around, they did good things. Mission accomplished. They're the same as the government. Power hungry greedy leaders don't know how to run a business yet insist on telling you how to and taking your money for it.

[Wickian]

I'm not sure what there is to protest about.  Isn't all this legislation going to do is allow to opt not to join the Unions?  As far as I know it's not restricting their powers at all.  Just as long as it's made so companies can't treat unionized and non-unionized employees differently anyway.

[F3SS]

Wickian, on 09 December 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

I'm not sure what there is to protest about.  Isn't all this legislation going to do is allow to opt not to join the Unions?  As far as I know it's not restricting their powers at all.  Just as long as it's made so companies can't treat unionized and non-unionized employees differently anyway.

It takes away union powers to force people to pay them and, big surprise, the democrats don't like it. It's not about the workers to those guys. It's about the money and who it goes to.

[Princess Serenity]

-Mr_Fess-, on 08 December 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

So what sounds better? The right to not pay for union dues if you don't want or no right to. Down with public unions. They're a drain on tax payers and little more than a legal mafia these days. They came around, they did good things. Mission accomplished. They're the same as the government. Power hungry greedy leaders don't know how to run a business yet insist on telling you how to and taking your money for it.

Unions don't care anymore. It's always about themselves.

[DieChecker]

Yeah. I am not sure why the Unions would be offended. Clearly if their union members want to pay dues, they can. If someone wants to be part of a union, they can. But, this allows some to Not be Forced to join a union and Forced to pay dues, if they don't want to be part of the union.

When people are forced into the union, just to work in their chosen field, against their wishes, then I don't see how Democrats can say that that Forcing of people is not wrong. Is it simply because the unions fund the Democrats? If a non-union corporation was forcing their employees to give them back a fee every payday for whatever reason, Democrats would be up in arms and pushing neighboring activists to picket the place.

Edited by DieChecker, 10 December 2012 - 01:22 AM.

[Gromdor]

Eh, basically what they are mad about is the fact that they have to work to get better working conditions, rights, pay raises, benefits, etc for workers that don't support them politically or financially.  When you pay money towards something you tend to get involved in it more. So yeah, it does erode their power and influence.

My view on the whole subject is that labor is a resource and unions are basically companies that try to get the most value out of that resource.   When companies can get labor from other sources than the union, it cheapens the value of their product and the union loses out.  Hence the anger.

Edited by Gromdor, 10 December 2012 - 05:53 AM.

[Order66]

You mean workers in MI don't need permission from some unelected group of kneecap-breaking thugs to get a tax-payer funded job? Scandal!

[acidhead]

IMO, Unions are part of the overall problem.  They suck the system and have been proven to hurt most who they desired to protect.  What feels good isn't always good.

[Gromdor]

Vein Capital, on 10 December 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

You mean workers in MI don't need permission from some unelected group of kneecap-breaking thugs to get a tax-payer funded job? Scandal!

It wouldn't be tax payer funded jobs, it would be any job.

acidhead, on 10 December 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

IMO, Unions are part of the overall problem.  They suck the system and have been proven to hurt most who they desired to protect.  What feels good isn't always good.

I agree somewhat, they serve a purpose, but they are not really efficiently modeled. Bureaucracy has settled in.  Labor has also provided a convienient scape goat for management for companies failures over the years as well.  The whole twinkie situation is an example of that in my opinion.  I've also seen alot of people who listen to Rush and the like and then think they won the lottery with a union job.  Needless to say they don't last very long.  Man Power and other temp services also provide labor without alot of the hassles that go with unions.  Personally, I think unions will decline until we get a series of large fatal accidents based off employer neglect or other instances of gross abuse.  After that public opinion will slowly swing back and a unions or something of it's ilk will come back again.

[Ryinrea]

These bills are a right to get fired for no cause and lowers the Union power to get those befits. It also makes things harder to forum a Union since they make stupid conditions or rules you have to follow to then you have to get the company to recognize this Union in these states. You wonder why they hate these laws because it does take the power away from the workers, which Unions tend to represent and places their rights in to a corporation hands.

   We have legal rights to forum a Union based on the first amendment which gives us the right to assemble. Unions aren't the problem  it corporate hacks that try to garner the system to fit their needs. Like those millionaires that get Unemployment checks  and Governor Rick Scott who was convicted of Medicare fraud and you wonder why I don't trust the government or the company bosses to have my interest at heart!

[F3SS]

Ryinrea, on 10 December 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

These bills are a right to get fired for no cause and lowers the Union power to get those befits. It also makes things harder to forum a Union since they make stupid conditions or rules you have to follow to then you have to get the company to recognize this Union in these states. You wonder why they hate these laws because it does take the power away from the workers, which Unions tend to represent and places their rights in to a corporation hands.

   We have legal rights to forum a Union based on the first amendment which gives us the right to assemble. Unions aren't the problem  it corporate hacks that try to garner the system to fit their needs. Like those millionaires that get Unemployment checks  and Governor Rick Scott who was convicted of Medicare fraud and you wonder why I don't trust the government or the company bosses to have my interest at heart!

Alright so say you are a conservative who works for a union and there is a 99% chance that union is lobbying to democrats with your union dues, because there probably really is a 99% chance they are, would you still think they are acting on your behalf? Union leadership is no different than the politicians and fatcat CEO's except that CEO's usually know how to run a business and create jobs. In fact, they're the only one of the three groups that actually provide anything.

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 10 December 2012 - 08:47 PM.

[Michelle]

So, any qualified person could walk into a union business and get a job without joining? Besides being harassed by the union to join I can't see how this would be a bad thing.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Michelle, on 10 December 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

So, any qualified person could walk into a union business and get a job without joining? Besides being harassed by the union to join I can't see how this would be a bad thing.

that's how it is here in Oz, and the Unions basically kicked off one of our political parties.