The Travis Walton Story

[SurfX805]

Without a doubt, this is one of the greatest abductions recorded due to the fact that all passed a polygraph continously...

Check out the link and give me some feedback...

http://www.travis-walton.com/

COPY AND PASTE...

Edited September 16, 2005 by SurfX805

[atomos]

Yo, TNX, I think I once saw a similar movie, but only the begining. It is a "true" story than? I read the whole thing, and I got so many things on my mind now...were the three aliens posing as humans? Where did they go with him? Maybe somewhere near? They were probably in space for 5 days.....but it bothers me that he seen the stars, and than, few moments later, he got out of the khm, spaceship......

Don't know.........

[Murdison]

Fire in the sky...?...Fantastic movie ..! Do I believe in all of this..? Cause yes..?

[SurfX805]

Yo, TNX, I think I once saw a similar movie, but only the begining. It is a "true" story than? I read the whole thing, and I got so many things on my mind now...were the three aliens posing as humans? Where did they go with him? Maybe somewhere near? They were probably in space for 5 days.....but it bothers me that he seen the stars, and than, few moments later, he got out of the khm, spaceship......

Don't know.........

847051[/snapback]

yes, the movie was called "fire in the sky" a great movie based on the travis walton story. the aliens weren't posing as men, he described them as 3-4 feet tall and gray skin. He remembers them experimenting on him and him jumping up and hitting one of them. then continued down a hall where he found a giant tomb. the movie actually is 99% accurate...you should give it a watch...

[Guardsman Bass]

I had to research this case for a school report, and I believe that he made it up. Although he claims to have passed all the lie detector tests, he actually failed an earlier test given by an expert, John J. McCarthy, and the tests he passed were noted as being poorly administered by UFO Skeptic Philip Klass.

There are other problems as well. Walton, his brother, and his mother all believed in UFO phenomena, and Walton had told his mother a few weeks earlier not to worry if he were ever abducted; he would return safely.

[whipnet]

I had to research this case for a school report, and I believe that he made it up. Although he claims to have passed all the lie detector tests, he actually failed an earlier test given by an expert, John J. McCarthy, and the tests he passed were noted as being poorly administered by UFO Skeptic Philip Klass.

There are other problems as well. Walton, his brother, and his mother all believed in UFO phenomena, and Walton had told his mother a few weeks earlier not to worry if he were ever abducted; he would return safely.

847255[/snapback]

I personally found the case fascinating and creditable. The movie was great too.

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[SurfX805]

I had to research this case for a school report, and I believe that he made it up. Although he claims to have passed all the lie detector tests, he actually failed an earlier test given by an expert, John J. McCarthy, and the tests he passed were noted as being poorly administered by UFO Skeptic Philip Klass.

There are other problems as well. Walton, his brother, and his mother all believed in UFO phenomena, and Walton had told his mother a few weeks earlier not to worry if he were ever abducted; he would return safely.

847255[/snapback]

claims? dude, you didn't do proper research then because he never failed a test. he turned down a test because he already passed it and was sick of co-operating. do your research dude.

follow this link. Cy Gilson gave the polygraph tests and NOT ONCE did he fail...

http://anw.com/fire/CyGilsonReport.htm

guess you got an F- on that school report

Edited September 16, 2005 by SurfX805

[SurfX805]

I had to research this case for a school report, and I believe that he made it up. Although he claims to have passed all the lie detector tests, he actually failed an earlier test given by an expert, John J. McCarthy, and the tests he passed were noted as being poorly administered by UFO Skeptic Philip Klass.

There are other problems as well. Walton, his brother, and his mother all believed in UFO phenomena, and Walton had told his mother a few weeks earlier not to worry if he were ever abducted; he would return safely.

847255[/snapback]

SO HE FAILED, HUH? WHATEVER...

The Final Test

The following report on the final polygraph examination of Travis Walton was actually sponsored by a skeptic, Jerry Black. The test was performed with the latest state of the art equipment, by Cy Gilson, the most highly respected polygraph expert.

4 February 1993

Mr. Jerry Black

(Address)

Blanchester, Ohio

Dear Mr. Black,

On February 4, 1993, a polygraph examination was administered to Mr. Travis Walton. The purpose of this examination was to determine whether or not Mr. Walton was being truthful in his statement about seeing a UFO and being abducted by the UFO plus other facts surrounding the abduction.

During the pretest interview, Mr. Walton said he had worked for Mike Rogers intermittently for about six years on a seasonal basis. He never socialized with any of the crew.

On November 5, 1975, they had worked a little later than usual trying to meet the contract commitment. By the time they were driving back to town, the sun had gone down but there was some light, like twilight.

As they were driving, he could see a glimmer of light in the trees ahead. At first he thought it may be a downed airplane. The light was unusual. As they neared a clearing he saw the object he called a UFO. This object will be referred to as a UFO throughout this report.

As the truck came to a stop, Mr. Walton got out. Believing it may take off, he walked briskly towards the UFO but slowed his pace before reaching it. He described it as being round and hovering about 20 feet above the ground. He did not go underneath it but stood there looking up at it. He said the UFO started to wobble slightly and make a noise. Mr. Walton said the noise was like a low rumble that developed into a higher pitch that seemed to increase in frequency. At this point he became afraid and decided to go back to the truck. He recalls being hit with an electrifying type of shock that stunned him, leaving him unconscious.

He recalls he slowly regained consciousness. He found himself in a small room that was damp or humid. He had pain throughout his body but mostly in his chest and head. He then saw three creatures he described as being about four feet tall with large, dark eyes. He was lying on some type of table. As these creatures approached him he got off the table. There was some type of shelf near the wal1 where he found a straight pipe­like object lying on it. He describes it as being round like a piece of pipe but lightweight. He cannot recall if it was solid or hollow. He picked it up and started to lash out at the creatures to keep them at bay. The creatures left the room by an open doorway, turning right.

Mr. Walton walked to that doorway, looked down a hall and he went left. He walked into another room, trying to find an exit from this enclosure. He did not know if he was in a spaceship or a building. A human­like creature came into the room, took him by the arm, leading him to another very large room where several more human­like creatures were. By this time most of the pain was gone. He was forced down on a table and had a mask, similar to an oxygen mask, put on his face. He does not remember anything else until he awoke next to the road, just outside Heber. As he regained consciousness, he looked up, seeing the UFO or one similar to the original one, hovering overhead. As he looked up at it, the UFO sped off into the sky.

Mr. Walton said his story is true. He said accusations made about him are lies. He had not been on any drugs of any kind. He was not hiding out somewhere on the Gibson ranch. He urinated in a jar and this sample was given to Dr. Kandell later that same day. Mr. Walton denies he conspired with Mr. Rogers to perpetrate a hoax to help him get out of the Turkey Springs contract with the Forestry Service.

Two series of questions were asked to cover all the areas we believe were important.

The relevant questions asked and the answers given are as follows:

Series #1:

Question #R1:

On November 5, 1975, in the forest area called Turkey Springs, did you see a large glowing object hovering in the air?

Answer: YES

Question #R2:

While you were standing near that UFO­like object, did you believe you were struck by an energy source emitted from that large object?

Answer: YES

Question #R3:

After regaining consciousness in a small, humid room, did you see nonhuman creatures with large dark eyes?

Answer: YES

Question #R4:

Did you conspire with your brother Duane or anyone else or act alone to stage a hoax about your UFO abduction?

Answer: NO

Series #2:

Question #R1:

Between November 1 and 11, 1975, did you use any drugs, either legal or illegal?

Answer: NO

Question #R2:

Between November 5 and 10, 1975, were you hiding anywhere on the Gibson ranch?

Answer: NO

Question #R3:

Was the urine sample given to Dr. Kandell on November 11, 1975, your first voided specimen following your UFO experience?

Answer: YES

Question #R4:

Was this UFO incident a conspiracy to help Mike Rogers get out of his Turkey Springs contract?

Answer: NO

Mr. Walton's physiological responses were monitored during the presentation of these questions by means of a Scientific Assessment Technology's Computer, Model CAPS 700. The following responses were recorded on this instrument's strip chart: relative blood pressure; skin conductance; thoracic and abdominal respiration. Data from three presentations of these questions were respiration. Data obtained for each series, and were subject to numerical scoring and computer­based analysis.

The numerical score of Series #1 was +34. The numerical score of Series #2 was +26. In the system of numerical scoring developed and validated at the University of Utah, total numerical scoring of +6 or more is considered indications of truthfulness.

The computer­based analysis returned a posterior probability of truthfulness of .964 in the first series, and a .961 in the second series. These indicating that charts like these produced in each series, by Mr. Walton, are produced by truthful examinees 96% of the time.

Based on the numerical score of the polygraph charts and the computer based analysis, it is the opinion of this examiner that Mr. Walton was being truthful when he answered these relevant questions.

Sincerely,

Cy Gilson

Thank you, Jerry Black! These examinations clear the air with a thoroughness, an utter finality, which can't be refuted. Cy Gilson used a widely practiced, extremely accurate, state­of­the­art method developed and perfected at the University of Utah. This involves a computerized monitoring and analysis of the tracings along with a point­scoring system of the charts applied by the examiner.

In summary: The computer put all three of us near the top of the range designated as conclusively truthful (almost no one ever achieves the theoretical maximum of 1.00), with me at .964 and .961, Mike at .990, and Allen at .993. On the numerical score I was first with +34 and +26 points, Mike had +31 points and Allen had +22 points.

- Travis Walton

[atomos]

but hey, he described three humans, I got to an idea that those were the three little guys posing as humans just to keep him calm after he started to panic. The "humans" never spoke to him, just like other three, and all of them vere "beautifull", to beautifull to be real?

Oh, wait a second.......maybe they were one of those "people from Venus" I heard about. They are known to look like humans but all of them are very beautifull. And just to make it clear, I am not saying they are really from Venus, just that people called them that in the past.....

[SurfX805]

but hey, he described three humans, I got to an idea that those were the three little guys posing as humans just to keep him calm after he started to panic. The "humans" never spoke to him, just like other three, and all of them vere "beautifull", to beautifull to be real?

Oh, wait a second.......maybe they were one of those "people from Venus" I heard about. They are known to look like humans but all of them are very beautifull. And just to make it clear, I am not saying they are really from Venus, just that people called them that in the past.....

847806[/snapback]

no, he called them 'human-like'. butthe chucklehead(guardsmann bass) above said he did a school project on this story, yet he lied in his report... he gets an F-...

Edited September 17, 2005 by SurfX805

[Murdison]

maybe they were one of those "people from Venus" I heard about. They are known to look like humans but all of them are very beautifull. And just to make it clear, I am not saying they are really from Venus, just that people called them that in the past.....

847806[/snapback]

This is stupid considering Venus has a tempreture hot enough to melt lead..?

[Charlie_0978]

I saw the movie, was great, if he failed a test or not it dosnt mean that he was lieying, is just machines, they can be wrong too, i dont know him but i know this things can happen ,in mexico ocurr a case about some soldier known as el Cabo Valdez, THEY took him in front of the other soldier in a night, they said to saw 2 lights moving quicklly toward valdez, then he desapear,few moments lately they saw the lights again and suddenly he felt from the air to the ground, his eyes wehere like that of a mad man , his beard has grown, the date on his watch apeared to be like if it has passed 5 days, same as the beard....how do anyone explain that...

[Murdison]

They never failed the lie detector..? It was inconclusive..! They could'nt say it never happened, but it prooved they were not lieing...if that makes any sense..?

[starman2003]

Randle considered the Walton case a hoax, at least the abduction story. Maybe he was too conservative or skeptical, but he mentioned, in addition to a failed polygraph test, and something about keytones, that Walton claimed to have seen a star map on board, which suggested he got the whole idea from watching UFO Incident which had been aired in October 1975.

The case also seems pretty unusual in that aliens usually seem to preplan abductions; there are few if any impromptu abductions like this.

Edited September 17, 2005 by starman2003

[cryptosporidium137]

Fire in the Sky was a cool movie(it was on Sci-fi a few months ago). The Travis Walton story is my second fav. abuction to read about. But what suprises me is that there were greys and then nordic aliens. That is what made me wonder if either it was faked or if the greys are working with nordic aliens hmm...

[cryptosporidium137]

This picture scares the crap out of me!

[Yelekiah]

I think it looks kind of cute, actually.

[earthchick]

To show you how reliable polygraph tests can be.....a man who brutally raped my young niece (she got a good look at him and was able to pick him out without any doubt), passed the polygraph test he took with flying colours, even though he lied and said he didn't rape her. Whether Travis Walton passed or failed his tests, I wouldn't rely on them as a gauge of truth.

[starman2003]

But what suprises me is that there were greys and then nordic aliens. That is what made me wonder if either it was faked or if the greys are working with nordic aliens     hmm...

848742[/snapback]

I don't necessarily buy the Walton story but collaboration among different alien types wouldn't be surprising.

Edited September 18, 2005 by starman2003

[Lilly]

....Whether Travis Walton passed or failed his tests, I wouldn't rely on them as a gauge of truth.

849345[/snapback]

Quite correct, this is one reason why polygraphs are not admissible in court. There are those who can pass polygraphs, for example, sociopaths are quite adept at this. Also, I've heard (rumor, not sure if it's valid or not) that one can actually be taught to circumvent the testing. I have no idea how this is achieved, though.

Earthchick, I hope that your niece received justice and that this man was convicted and is now serving a long sentence.

[earthchick]

Earthchick, I hope that your niece received justice and that this man was convicted and is now serving a long sentence.

849703[/snapback]

Thank you Lilly, but unfortunately he got away with it, partly because of passing that polygraph test which they allowed to be used in his defense, and partly because his mama is a town council member. Apparently, he bragged later that he took some drug that slowed his heart rate to help him pass that test. Such is life.

Anyway....for this sort of reason I personally don't think polygraph tests should even be used in abduction cases. I just don't see the point.