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#691    W Tell

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 14 November 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

Let's begin with the top photo. How difficult would it be to grab a blob of honey off the ground with that type of machinery? In that regard, the glowing metal is not in a molten state.

Close ups of the photo do show it dripping, but let's for the sake of conversation, ask the question "Then what is it?" You can pick up red hot steel with machinary like that and it will keep it's color. This pic is also weeks after the collapse, so what would retain that kind of heat?




View Postskyeagle409, on 14 November 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

In the second photo, it is very obvious the metal was never in a molten state after its manufacture, but was annealed at temperatures below the melting point of steel.

No. That is evidence of steel that has reached high enough temps to become pourus. I can't say what part of the building he's holding on to, but it's easy to see it's steel and it's easy to see it's been compromised. What he's hanging onto is not for show like clading or soffit, that was part of the structure.





View Postskyeagle409, on 14 November 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

And, if you believe that temperatures well below the melting point of steel cannot buckle or weaken steel, let's take a look here.

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In regards to the last photo, visit this website.

http://www.debunking...moltensteel.htm

You're gonna keep getting little respect if you keep posting pictures like this to back up your stance. Railroad tracks. The Earth moves and steel bends.

Edited by W Tell, 17 November 2012 - 11:46 PM.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:17 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 08 November 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

No evidence of thermite was found in the rubble of the WTC buildings. :no:  Is it of any surprise why colleagues of Steven Jones have distanced themselves from him after his false thermite claim was made?


It's no surprise that his collegues "liked" their government sponsered paychecks.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:24 AM

View PostQ24, on 09 November 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

The questions have been addressed to the degree that we know there is no barrier to the use of thermite charges in the WTC demolitions.  If you wanted a copy of the specifications for the actual thermite charges then you should have supported an investigation.


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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:24 AM

View PostW Tell, on 17 November 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Close ups of the photo do show it dripping, but let's for the sake of conversation, ask the question "Then what is it?" You can pick up red hot steel with machinary like that and it will keep it's color. This pic is also weeks after the collapse, so what would retain that kind of heat?

If that material was molten, it would not have retained its shape and would have pooled as a blob on the ground.



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You're gonna keep getting little respect if you keep posting pictures like this to back up your stance. Railroad tracks. The Earth moves and steel bends.

The rails buckled due to heat, not from movement on the ground.

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Heat could warp train tracks, causing derailments

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - Thousands of miles of train tracks cross the Carolinas, and in extreme temperatures those tracks can come under assault by mother nature.


Before 1950, he says rail came in 39-foot sections, and there was room left where the track comes together to give the steel room to expand in extreme heat. These days, to make for a smoother ride and less maintenance, track comes in quarter-mile strips and is welded together without the expansion joints.

On an extremely hot day, the steel expands. "The rail heats up," described Neal. "It gets to a point where the ties and everything can no longer hold it and the rail has nowhere else to go lineally so it'll pop out to the sides."

http://www.wistv.com....asp?S=12785361



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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:30 AM

View PostW Tell, on 18 November 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

It's no surprise that his collegues "liked" their government sponsered paychecks.

But, demolition experts and companies have said there was no evidence, and thermite is not widely used  by demolition companies nor is thermite effective as RDX. Even the use of RDX requires structural pre-weakening and additional explosives such as dynamite in the demolition process.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:31 AM

View PostW Tell, on 17 November 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Your pic does not do it justice. The fall of the molten metal drops a lot further than that. Pretty much the full height of the building from where it occured. Aluminum doesn't fit. Steel could, but I doubt it since it's hard to tell how large the clumps are from both pictures and video. Falling through the air like that does have a cooling effect. No, the question is not what was "it" that cooled quickly as it was falling, but what was so "red hot" it fell so far. IMO.

Just looking at that photo tells me the material is not molten steel.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:54 AM

View PostW Tell, on 17 November 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

What metal ceiling are you refering to that may or may not have fallen on the batteries? A dropped ceiling which is basicly used in wharehouse and office buildings? If so, the metal only constitutes about five percent of the ceiling itself. The panels themselves make up the bulk of it and they don't conduct electricty. If not this kind of ceiling, what are you referring to?
I meant the metal structure supporting whatever ceiling was present.  I doubt very much if many ceiling tiles would remain in place seeing how close the area was to the impact level.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:59 AM

View PostW Tell, on 17 November 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Your pic does not do it justice. The fall of the molten metal drops a lot further than that. Pretty much the full height of the building from where it occured. Aluminum doesn't fit. Steel could, but I doubt it since it's hard to tell how large the clumps are from both pictures and video. Falling through the air like that does have a cooling effect. No, the question is not what was "it" that cooled quickly as it was falling, but what was so "red hot" it fell so far. IMO.
I'm not sure I get what your point is about the height.  The colour at the top corresponds to too low a temperature to be molten steel, so a lower melting-point metal is a good fit.  The area of the building where the flow comes from contained both a UPS room with a lot of battery lead and aluminium from the aircraft.  Either would provide the required large amount of molten material.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostW Tell, on 17 November 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Close ups of the photo do show it dripping, but let's for the sake of conversation, ask the question "Then what is it?" You can pick up red hot steel with machinary like that and it will keep it's color. This pic is also weeks after the collapse, so what would retain that kind of heat?

Exothermic Chemical Reaction

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:01 PM

YET ANOTHER ONE...doesn't collapse

let the formulaic flowchartian drone-tone responses begin...





http://www.dailymail...rise-Dubai.html

reader comments and votes at the above link are very interesting...take a look.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:26 AM

View PostLittle Fish, on 18 November 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

YET ANOTHER ONE...doesn't collapse

let the formulaic flowchartian drone-tone responses begin...





http://www.dailymail...rise-Dubai.html

reader comments and votes at the above link are very interesting...take a look.

Check out this building where its steel structure collapsed after a fire, which left only the concrete core standing.

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In Thailand, three steel-framed buildings collapse the same day due to fire.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:40 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 18 November 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

YET ANOTHER ONE...doesn't collapse
YET ANOTHER CONSPIRACIST can't tell the difference in fire resistance between steel and concrete construction.  The building in question is concrete, WTC were steel.
http://skyscrapercen...ame=DAR Consult

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

Little Fish

Thanks for putting up today's most recent contained high rise fire picture.

11 September was such a special day--the laws of physics were on holiday, eh? :innocent:


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:11 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 18 November 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

YET ANOTHER ONE...doesn't collapse

let the formulaic flowchartian drone-tone responses begin...

Ha, yea I know!  All those flowcharts and formulas and maths and stuff getting in the way of your 'real' scientific analysis.  So tell me, how big was the plane that hit that building?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

View PostLiquid Gardens, on 19 November 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Ha, yea I know!  All those flowcharts and formulas and maths and stuff getting in the way of your 'real' scientific analysis.  So tell me, how big was the plane that hit that building?

The better question LG, is whether it was a drone or actually carrying passengers?  And were there any sensitive financial records in the building? :tu:





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