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were UFOs ever spotted before the 20th


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#31    WoIverine

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:30 AM

View Postscowl, on 18 March 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

Unlikely since there were no newspapers at the time. They didn't exist until the next century.



Which means it would have had enormous religious significance to the Catholic Church, yet there is no mention of it in their archives unlike many astronomical events that were recorded.

You can really believe whatever you want, I don't care. However, your beliefs do not change the fact that the event was reported by others.

Edited by WoIverine, 19 March 2013 - 12:57 AM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:36 AM

View PostHazzard, on 19 February 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

People through out history have seen areal phenomenon they couldnt explain


True.... I would just like to add that, in no way, does that means alien visitors.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:50 AM

View Postscowl, on 18 March 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

Unlikely since there were no newspapers at the time. They didn't exist until the next century.



Which means it would have had enormous religious significance to the Catholic Church, yet there is no mention of it in their archives unlike many astronomical events that were recorded.

Scowl, how do you know what is in the archives or historical records of the catholic church?  If something didnt tie in with the church's teachings it was banned, particularly in the middle ages and if anyone spoke of it they were branded herectics! Almost certainly in this case the details would be locked away till whenever ...... if ever...... the church came into modern thinking.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:19 AM

View Postdannyboy52, on 19 March 2013 - 12:50 AM, said:

Scowl, how do you know what is in the archives or historical records of the catholic church?  If something didnt tie in with the church's teachings it was banned, particularly in the middle ages and if anyone spoke of it they were branded herectics! Almost certainly in this case the details would be locked away till whenever ...... if ever...... the church came into modern thinking.

But the thing is, they are not.


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greetings from Germany Posted Image . This is my first post here (and could be my last). I stumbled over this strange phenomenon today after an amusing Apollo/MoonBase/AliensEverywhere-roundtrip. Having studied History and German Language I should be able to translate the woodcut text of Hans Glaser in a reasonable quality for you. But I have to say, I am not a professionally trained translator for 16th century German into common modern English. So my first glance at the text reveals some unknown vocabulary I would have to research in a dictionary, and I cannot read one letter adhoc. But most of the text is plain simple to understand for me. I will not speculate on this topic, not now, maybe later, if the discussion will go on. I wanna say: this seems to be heavy stuff - and it would be interesting, what other chronicles of and around Nuremberg would have to say about April,14th 1561. There are tons of paper in the archives here in Germany from this era, well-documented times. There must be more than Glaser's report and woodcut. But it would be a hard task for trained professionals only. Let me tell you, that there is another woodcut in Glaser's series for March 1561, where he reports about strange lights around the moon (the UFO fleets leaving their bases Posted Image ).

So, here is my (I think reasonable, but not watertight) "translation". Ask, if you have questions, folks:

In the year 1561 on the 14th day of April in the morning between ... [difficult special time phrase] ... and ... [difficult special time phrase], that is in the morning between 4 and 5 on the little clock, a very horrible vision showed at the sun when she rised and was seen at Nuremberg in the town and in front of the gate and at the countryside by alot of male and female persons. First the sun showed and was seen with two bloodcolored, halfround strokes like the diminishing moon right through the sun, and in the sun, above, under and on both sides stood bloodcolored and partly blueish or ironcolored, also blackcolored round orbs. The same on both sides and in circled plates around the sun - there were such bloodcolored and the other orbs in great numbers, standing three in a row, sometimes four in a quadruple, also alot as singles. And between such orbs alot of bloodcolored crosses have been seen, and between such crosses and orbs were bloodcolored strips, thick behind ["streyme hinden dick"] and to the front a bit smoother than ... [ ? "hocken rho[?]"]. Mixed in between together with others stood two big tubes, one to the right and the other to the left [hand's side], in those little and big tubes were three, four and more orbs. This alltogether began to fight ["streyten"], the orbs first in the sun moved towards the ones standing at both sides, so the ones, which were outside, moved together with the orbs out of the small and large tubes into the sun.
Also the tubes moved towards each other like the orbs and everything fought and battled ["gestritten und gefochten"] with each other nearly one hour long. And after the battle, which moved for a while into and again out of the sun from one side to the other most violently, exhausted itself by each other, everything (as drawn above) fell from the sun and the sky down to the earth like burning alltogether and vanished ["vergangen"] down on the earth gradually [? "allgemach"] in a big smoke. After such events something like a black spear, the shaft from sunrise [east] and the head towards sundawn [west], has been seen with big thickness and length.

[It follows a lengthy phrasal standard passage from a typical christian viewpoint of that time, about warning signs of Godfather, the sin of the non-believers and the awaited day of judgement etc. Not very related to the event as such, but there is a hint by Hans Glaser, that the "signs" in the sky were significant in quality and numbers in the recent time.] Posted Image


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It's atmospheric phenomena. The fear of God was often wound into these old tall tales, as it is in this one.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:21 AM

View PostWoIverine, on 19 March 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

You can really believe whatever you want, I don't care. However, your beliefs do not change the fact that the event was reported by others.

Belief? There is a second broadsheet assumed to be the same event by an anonymous person!

Hardly concrete proof!

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:34 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 19 March 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:

Belief? There is a second broadsheet assumed to be the same event by an anonymous person!

Hardly concrete proof!

Who said anything about proof? Was the event not reported? Tell you what, you guys build us all a time machine and we'll take a spin back to Germany circa 1561 along with some popcorn and beer. You can't argue with someone who doesn't want to argue, and I honestly don't care enough to argue. So, that's it.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:39 AM

View PostWoIverine, on 19 March 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

Who said anything about proof? Was the event not reported? Tell you what, you guys build us all a time machine and we'll take a spin back to Germany circa 1561 along with some popcorn and beer. You can't argue with someone who doesn't want to argue, and I honestly don't care enough to argue. So, that's it.

No it was not really reported, it was a broadsheet carving, something of a forerunner to todays tabloids. You said it had been corroborated, it does not appear that is the case at all. I will build you a time machine, but I wont guarantee it goes backwards, just find a wormhole and a very fast spaceship. I am not arguing, I am pointing out that your information seems to be incorrect. Such leads to all sorts of misconceptions, even to think that people from other planets are having Return of the Jedi style battles in our very skies.

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:50 AM

View Postbraycuster8, on 19 March 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

He can be snoop poop for all I care.Posted Image


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Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:52 AM

He keeps saying that on other threads aswell... I have no idea what that is all about. :unsure2:

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:26 AM

They  say a ufo crashed in Texas in the late 1800's and the alien is buried in the graveyard


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:47 AM

View Postcoolguy, on 19 March 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

They  say a ufo crashed in Texas in the late 1800's and the alien is buried in the graveyard

All states (with an ounce of self respect) has a UFO crash site, or a lake monster, or bigfoot sightings, or a ghost house.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:48 AM

A well documented UFO phenomenon.

NZ 1909.  Some of you may find points of interest.

http://www.ufocusnz....OF-1909/53.aspx


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:06 AM

View Postcoolguy, on 19 March 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

They  say a ufo crashed in Texas in the late 1800's and the alien is buried in the graveyard
Aurora, Texas that'd be, although (needless to say) some say that it was invented as a PR stunt..

http://en.wikipedia....s,_UFO_incident

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:10 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 18 March 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Alexander the great reported two flying "shields" on the eve of battle, which he took to be a good omen. His armies shields were round and dome shaped, much like the classic ufo shape of today.

Although this claim has constantly made the rounds for decades, there is simply no evidence of it.  There exists no ancient writings that state this.  Alexander's chroniclers never said it.

No provenance whatsoever.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:11 PM

View PostWoIverine, on 19 March 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

You can really believe whatever you want, I don't care. However, your beliefs do not change the fact that the event was reported by others.

Your beliefs don't change that this historic and terrifying display was only recorded by two surreal and abstract wood carvings and a single broadsheet.

I believe the incident (whatever it was) has been misinterpreted and embellished by modern people looking for old UFO sightings.





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