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[Yamato]

preacherman76, on 09 December 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

Well till you are willing to admit hamas is wrong when they say Israel has no right to exist, then it doesnt matter what you take seriously.

Then find something that matters.  More "9/11 was an inside job" nonsense perhaps?  

Nobody has a right to impose Israel's policies on Palestine - on anyone.  NOBODY.  

Governments don't have rights, they have power.   The essence of all government is tyranny.  It is power that must be constrained.  And liberty is the countervailing force that constrains it.   If you knew what Ron Paul stands for, I would not even have to be telling you this.

Edited by Yamato, 09 December 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[Yamato]

Hamas is wrong to say that Israel has no right to exist provided the state of Israel stops doing things it has no "right" to do.

Governments don't have "rights".   The Israeli government doesn't have the right to exist or the right to do anything else either.  

Even still, I'm not even "irrational" enough to demand regime change.  I only ask for policy change.  If that's "everything completely" then wow, some people think too much of insidious government foreign policies.

[preacherman76]

Yamato, on 09 December 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I don't think he is either.  I think the assertion is laughable.  I can't believe you think the refutation in this video includes everything.  Maybe it's just everything you know of.

"Rational" discussions hedging their rhetoric in defense of statist tyranny from any government foreign or domestic is despicable to me.   I'm biased.  Same as you.  Same as everyone else.

It doesnt include everything. Just everything he chose to talk about. I never defended Israels tyranny tward the palistinians. In fact, Im the only one here willing to admit both sides have acted horribly.  Nor would I defend the tyranny hamas puts his own people through. Nor would I defend the killing of Christians that Hamas commits.

[Yamato]

preacherman76, on 09 December 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

It doesnt include everything. Just everything he chose to talk about. I never defended Israels tyranny tward the palistinians. In fact, Im the only one here willing to admit both sides have acted horribly.  Nor would I defend the tyranny hamas puts his own people through. Nor would I defend the killing of Christians that Hamas commits.

I don't know anyone on this board who isn't willing to admit that both sides have acted horribly.  I'm just not so morally careless that I would actually agree (or even rhetorically sound like I agree) to punish every Israeli man woman and child collectively for the tyranny/sins/horrible acts of their own government.   If what is happening to Palestinians every day was happening to Israelis every day, maybe then you'd wake up?

[preacherman76]

Yamato, on 09 December 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

I don't know anyone on this board who isn't willing to admit that both sides have acted horribly.  I'm just not so morally careless that I would actually agree (or even rhetorically sound like I agree) to punish every Israeli man woman and child collectively for the tyranny/sins/horrible acts of their own government.   If what is happening to Palestinians every day was happening to Israelis every day, maybe then you'd wake up?

I dont know exactly what you think Im asleep regarding. Im fully aware of palistines complants. I was just trying to get this conversation to neutral ground. The only place where progress can be made.

[Yamato]

preacherman76, on 09 December 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

I dont know exactly what you think Im asleep regarding. Im fully aware of palistines complants. I was just trying to get this conversation to neutral ground. The only place where progress can be made.

You were trying to make blame games out of this conversation, and you stretched your accusations to the maximum, using absolutist language like "completely everything".   That might be the best way to ensure the lack of progress one can ask for.   I can blame Alex Jones if I want to, for parroting LIES spread by governments and getting people like you to actually believe them.  The refutations of Alex's poisonous disinformation is refreshing to hear.

[Yamato]

The first 20 seconds of the video exposes Alex Jones for the delusional propaganda mill he is.   This is long-debunked propaganda from years ago.  Either Alex Jones is horribly uninformed (not plausible) or he's making money to run his mouth and lead Americans up another creek on another wild goose chase.   Do we care more about Alex Jones than the truth?   I hope not.

[preacherman76]

Yamato, on 09 December 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

You were trying to make blame games out of this conversation, and you stretched your accusations to the maximum, using absolutist language like "completely everything".   That might be the best way to ensure the lack of progress one can ask for.   I can blame Alex Jones if I want to, for parroting LIES spread by governments and getting people like you to actually believe them.  The refutations of Alex's poisonous disinformation is refreshing to hear.

Whatever Yam. You are too emotional to speak on this subject. You litteraly let it take away who you are. Alex didnt lie about anything. I didnt accuse anyone of anything that Im sure he himself wouldnt fully admit.

[preacherman76]

BTW it doesnt matter in the least bit what Iran said. It is a matter of islamic law that any land that was under muslim control, must always be in muslim control. The jews that live in israel must leave or die according to every islamic extremist.

[preacherman76]

Yamato, on 09 December 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

You were trying to make blame games out of this conversation, and you stretched your accusations to the maximum, using absolutist language like "completely everything".   That might be the best way to ensure the lack of progress one can ask for.   I can blame Alex Jones if I want to, for parroting LIES spread by governments and getting people like you to actually believe them.  The refutations of Alex's poisonous disinformation is refreshing to hear.

Yam, you posted a video that did nothing but blame Israel. How doesnt pointing that out, rr, whatever, nevermind.

[MichaelW]

I agree with neither of you. One person is supporting someone who can't make his mind up and the other is someone who supports a person who has more friends in the Kremlin than Vladimir Putin.

We can all agree that neither of you two have an argument and that this is a waste of valuable forum space.

[Yamato]

preacherman76, on 09 December 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Whatever Yam. You are too emotional to speak on this subject. You litteraly let it take away who you are. Alex didnt lie about anything. I didnt accuse anyone of anything that Im sure he himself wouldnt fully admit.

Read the translation.  Learn who said the words.   20 seconds in and he already lied.  He carried the government's baton on Iran and he put words in Ahmadinejad's mouth that he never used.   The video above is correct.   Ahmadinejad is a figurehead, nothing more.  The Ayatollah has all the power, the media misquotes the Ayatollah and sticks it on Ahmadinejad and the whole lie has been exposed and Jim Alex Jones should be ashamed of himself for pouring that kool aid.

MichaelW, on 09 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I agree with neither of you. One person is supporting someone who can't make his mind up and the other is someone who supports a person who has more friends in the Kremlin than Vladimir Putin.

We can all agree that neither of you two have an argument and that this is a waste of valuable forum space.

How are you still on this forum?

[acidhead]

preacherman76, on 09 December 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

[snip]
Say some force was invading America, and one race, or minority, or religion, whatever, abandoned us, and fled to Canada. We end up stomping out that invading force. Do you think for one second that we would or should trust the folks who left us to die to come back? Hell no.

The right to your property which is also defined as including your body is the bases of liberty.  Property rights should be protected at all costs to protect liberty for all individuals.

[MichaelW]

Yamato, on 09 December 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

How are you still on this forum?

Witchcraft.

[Yamato]

acidhead, on 10 December 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

The right to your property which is also defined as including your body is the bases of liberty.  Property rights should be protected at all costs to protect liberty for all individuals.

Exactly!   But he'll sell out on our individual rights with federal force over an emotional response to Americans not acting as patriotically as he would prefer.   That makes the NDAA look like the Teletubbies.  If this is how Alex Jones indoctrinates his flock to "fight for liberty", what a joke.