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#1    danielost

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:44 PM

I am a bit upset after hearing part of obamas speach at planned parenthood.

On here and on the new you hear how bad it is that some arab parents are bad parents when they make an eleven year old girl marry some old fart.

But, stand up against the murder of a baby in the usa and you want to send the mothers back to the stone age.

Which is worse marring some old fart or vbeing murdere.  I think being murderes just because your an inconvence is much worse.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:01 AM

A large part of the debate is at what point should we say that a cell is alive? When does the cell become complex enough to call it human.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:06 AM

Not according to planned parenthood.  An infant born alive dispite a botched abortion is not a living person.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:13 AM

In my opinion danielost your "arab" parents forcing their 11 year old daughter to marry an old "fart" and the person who would attempt to tell me that I do not have control over my body and reproductive health are both equally despicable.

Edited by Daughter of the Nine Moons, 27 April 2013 - 12:16 AM.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:14 AM

View Postdanielost, on 26 April 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

But, stand up against the murder of a baby in the usa and you want to send the mothers back to the stone age.

Possibly because a larger majority feel that it is not murder and is a woman's decision between her, her significant other and her doctor.

Besides, aren't you a conservative? not wanting "government" to make decisions for us?

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:22 AM

If it isn't a case of medical emergency, rape or incest then it's a case of being irresponsible and not wanting to deal with it. In my world you have to deal with your mistakes no matter how inconvenient and in the case of babies there are plenty of ways to let the child live and keep it out of your life. Put it up for adoption or ditch it to a family member. It might not have a great life or maybe it will. Either way it will have a life like the rest of us were given.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:24 AM

To the pro choice people... If you were to suddenly find out that you were an abortion survivor would you be upset that your mother tried to kill you?


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:27 AM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 27 April 2013 - 12:13 AM, said:

In my opinion danielost your "arab" parents forcing their 11 year old daughter to marry an old "fart" and the person who would attempt to tell me that I do not have control over my body and reproductive health are both equally despicable.

If you don't want a baby use a condum.  They not only protect from babies but also deseases.  Nothing else does both except of course not having sex.

As I said, just an inconvence.

Edited by danielost, 27 April 2013 - 12:29 AM.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:30 AM

Hmm, I'm kind of torn on when abortions should be cut off.  My current stance is abortions should be banned once the fetuses have reached the stage where they could survive outside the womb without intense medical intervention.  Otherwise they're a part of the woman she should have the choice to remove if she wants.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:33 AM

View Postdanielost, on 27 April 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

If you don't want a baby use a condum.  

I agree.

However what I don't agree with is anyone presuming to make decisions regarding my body and my reproductive health. Period.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:40 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 27 April 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

If it isn't a case of medical emergency, rape or incest then it's a case of being irresponsible and not wanting to deal with it. In my world you have to deal with your mistakes no matter how inconvenient and in the case of babies there are plenty of ways to let the child live and keep it out of your life. Put it up for adoption or ditch it to a family member. It might not have a great life or maybe it will. Either way it will have a life like the rest of us were given.

I agree with you, even though I believe a woman has the right to choose, I still believe that abortions shouldn't happen unless it's an emergency. There are people who shouldn't willing have sex because those same people don't seem to get that sex comes with a chance of pregnancy and std's. When you sleep with someone you need to be ready for any consequences that may arise and take responsible for them or not have sex at all. Condoms and birth control both exist for a reason. I know they are not 100% and things do happen but at least you can say that you took steps to protect yourself.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:03 AM

View PostWickian, on 27 April 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Hmm, I'm kind of torn on when abortions should be cut off.  My current stance is abortions should be banned once the fetuses have reached the stage where they could survive outside the womb without intense medical intervention.  Otherwise they're a part of the woman she should have the choice to remove if she wants.

This is not exactly true.  A baby is made up of both mom and dad and is thus a seperate being from conception.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:10 AM

What has me upset tonight, is planned parenthood defeng an orbortin doctor,in pen.  When this doctor failed to abort the childs life he cut their spinal cord.  Then the so called pres.  is going to defend them.



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Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:24 AM

I think it comes down to woman's right to make her own decisions about her body. Would you want the government to decide whether or not you have a vasectomy.  If you don't believe in having an abortion then don't have one.  Women have a right to safe effective medical care. Planned Parenthood does women's health care. They provide birth control and checkups for many women who could not afford it. Abortion is a woman health care issue and that is between her and her doctor.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 11:51 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 27 April 2013 - 03:24 AM, said:

I think it comes down to woman's right to make her own decisions about her body. Would you want the government to decide whether or not you have a vasectomy.  If you don't believe in having an abortion then don't have one.  Women have a right to safe effective medical care. Planned Parenthood does women's health care. They provide birth control and checkups for many women who could not afford it. Abortion is a woman health care issue and that is between her and her doctor.

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