Why and how come?

[Punk17]

If you remember Roswell, Rendelsham Forest and Kecksburg all had occuring events with aliens or presumed aliens. Well lets look at the dates shall we:

1947: WWII

1965: Vietnam War

1980: Persian Gulf War

Now, those took place during wars. Why so? Was it because aliens felt more safer that if army soldiers were away that they'd have a better chance to study us? Or was it a Coencidence(sp)?

[Stellar]

1947: WWII

1980: Persian Gulf War

Now that is quite a scary idea... people actually dont know the dates of WWII and the first Gulf War...

[meristar]

Perhaps Punk17 is a Disinformation Agent ...

[Punk17]

Perhaps Punk17 is a Disinformation Agent ...

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[Carl Butters]

If you remember Roswell, Rendelsham Forest and Kecksburg all had occuring events with aliens or presumed aliens. Well lets look at the dates shall we:

1947: WWII

1965: Vietnam War

1980: Persian Gulf War

Now, those took place during wars. Why so? Was it because aliens felt more safer that if army soldiers were away that they'd have a better chance to study us? Or was it a Coencidence(sp)?

1.actually there are other instances that have occured on military bases throughout history. 2. the problem is that human beings are normally at war. 3 . and in regards to roswell, or any other event that has a "downed" ufo involved, i find that to be most improbable. if aliens exist and have the ability to transcend space efficiently enough to actually travel between star systems with in a relatively short time period, then i find it most improbable that they would have problems that would yeild their craft to our disposal. besides, if they are advanced to a degree of mind boggling complexion, then i highly doubt they would be afraid of us as long as they had thier technology close at hand. perhaps one on one, yes, but not if they were in their vehicles or had access to their technology. much like a hunter and a deer, or a person in their car and a rattle snake on the road.

it is an interesting correlation you have made though . but there are other instances that have occured that you did not list.

[Saint Macabre]

yeaaah...your years are a bit off...

...unless you mean "around" those time frames or something...but...yeah...

[Pannkakskungen]

Well, there was a big war in the persian gulf area in 1980 it just didnt involve the USA as an active part, it was of course the Iran-Iraq war. Did it have anything to do with aliens? of course not.

[Roj47]

Cant help but feel you have let the game `Destroy all Humans` affect you so much.

Funny how many people change their ideas after films such as Independance Day etc....

Wonder when Crypto (sp?) will make his return in the sequel

TC

R47

[I AAAM]

So many Wars! So many Aliens! So much confusion!

Do we not realize by now that if the "Aliens" (Extraterrestrials) wished to come in and take over the Earth, we would be powerless to react with the primitive technology that we have, compared to some of the "Alien" races far advanced technologies?

This train of thought is what keeps us "stuck" in the Dark Age mentality! Do we still not realize that it takes "intelligence" to have and hold onto faith? Faith is what can be termed as "belief without evidence"! This same '"Faith" is what has helped this world develop to the point that it is at now. Just imagine if we did not have people in the past generations and ages, who did not have and hold onto their faith. This would mean that we would have no electricity, electric lighting, transportation, communications and the list goes on and on etc. etc. etc!

The people who have achieved the most for this world, it's civilizations and every other thing which exists on and within, had and held the same qualities which these "Inventors of the future" possessed! This is called insight, faith, and determination to succeed in seeing their dream of faith materialize into a reality!

So from this I would hope that one could learn a very valuable lesson!

The lesson to be learned is this: When one has and holds a firm belief in something that is neither visible or imaginable, but has a strong possibility to be real, (no matter what the thing or object is) it is wise to have and hold the same belief as the inventor of "The impossible object or thing" this is called "Good faith in the logical, due to logics of outcome and manifestations to be observed". This is called (once again) "Belief without evidence".

Think about Edison, The Wright brothers, Madam Curie, Einstein, Mozart, Helen Keller etc, etc! Did people not laugh at some of these people when they announced to the world of what they were planning to achieve, or believed in?

You see, the point that we seem to be missing about Extraterrestrials is this: We refuse to have enough intelligence to hold the faith for the most logical answers which still elude us to be accepted as reality. This is a terrible shame, and is what holds us back from having contacts with these universal beings in the first place. They want to see us acting on individual intelligence before they come to meet with us. This is a hard ask, when we stop and take a look at what we are doing on this planet, and the way we treat each other throughout this "Territorial World" ask yourself why has one the right to live like a king, while their brother suffers in the gutter and starving? Where is the compassion, where is the hope, where is the charity and good will among men, and where is the faith in logics and science?

P.S. Since this subject was about wars and UFOs, did we forget about this???

UFOs and the WW2 Link!

Edited January 13, 2006 by I AAAM

[Bogeyman]

Or the most puzzling of all Wartime UFO's ....The Foo Fighters ...i mean what the hell were they.Were they German probes or what ?

Any ideas on Foo Fighters anyone

This site has some ideas on Wartime UFO's

http://home.manyrivers.aunz.com/sting1946/foo.htm

Edited January 13, 2006 by Bogeyman

[Lilly]

... This is a hard ask, when we stop and take a look at what we are doing on this planet, and the way we treat each other throughout this "Territorial World" ask yourself why has one the right to live like a king, while their brother suffers in the gutter and starving? Where is the compassion, where is the hope, where is the charity and good will among men, and where is the faith in logics and science?

One small point, the evil behavior of humanity existed long before the advent of logic and science. There was a small minority who lived like kings (heck, they often frequently told the peons that they were gods!) and the majority of people were suffering, starving, enslaved etc. It wasn't science and logic that was causal in this, but rather basic human behavior.

In fact, with the advent of reason and science life actually improved for a great many people. Ask yourself this, is there a middle class where you live? In the past most societies consisted of the poor and the nobility. Basically, don't blame the negative aspects of human behavior on science and logic...these problems have been with humanity since the beginning.

[Unlimited]

One small point, the evil behavior of humanity existed long before the advent of logic and science. There was a small minority who lived like kings (heck, they often frequently told the peons that they were gods!) and the majority of people were suffering, starving, enslaved etc. It wasn't science and logic that was causal in this, but rather basic human behavior.

In fact, with the advent of reason and science life actually improved for a great many people. Ask yourself this, is there a middle class where you live? In the past most societies consisted of the poor and the nobility. Basically, don't blame the negative aspects of human behavior on science and logic...these problems have been with humanity since the beginning.

nice post lily; class systems existed on this planet for centuries. poor serving rich, not much has changed?

[I AAAM]

One small point, the evil behavior of humanity existed long before the advent of logic and science. There was a small minority who lived like kings (heck, they often frequently told the peons that they were gods!) and the majority of people were suffering, starving, enslaved etc. It wasn't science and logic that was causal in this, but rather basic human behavior.

In fact, with the advent of reason and science life actually improved for a great many people. Ask yourself this, is there a middle class where you live? In the past most societies consisted of the poor and the nobility. Basically, don't blame the negative aspects of human behavior on science and logic...these problems have been with humanity since the beginning.

Yes! I accept and appreciate the point you have made here Lilly, but more to the point of what I was describing is this: Sure "we" have "evolved" (by way of taking steps towards intelligence), but in many cases, these steps of the "followers" have been "out paced" by the steps of the rulers and kings so as not to lose their grips of control. Therefore these "so called rulers" have once again won the battle of "class" and conditioning to meet their ends, and means. True intelligence does not come from one whom chooses to be a follower, but rather from one whom chooses to demonstrate it by their own means and resources. So when I make a statement, you know that it is of my own reality and perception, and not that of the majority consensus that are ruled. Furthermore: The sciences in many areas have been used to meet egotistical ends, and not fully to the purposes of the good for all humanity and ecology. This simple fact can be demonstrated by the way we see technology being used to hunt and destroy our "so called" enemies. Are they really our enemies, or are we conditioned to believe this so that the chosen few benefit with material resources and money, to the detriment of the majority?

If we look for at the 2004 Global expenditure on weapons by the military for instance, we see that the mind boggling figure of three trillion US dollars was spent in that year alone!

Was this our choice? Did we even know about this evil expenditure? Do you even care?

Think about this scenario for instance: If we took all these funds that are spent annually to try and destroy our fellow humans and ecological system, we could then use them to educate the un-educated and put in basic and essential self sustaining principles like population controls by way of limiting and educating people to only allow them to have two children maximum, and to become self reliant and productive in environment friendly procedures rather than using the down and out to build bombs and weapons to cause more evil and destruction, would this not be a positive step forward for science and education?

Sure science has moved ahead over the past decades in particular, but has it moved in the right direction? I can recall having read when I was a teenager the newest scientific advances for that time, and at being amazed by our progress, only to find that 40 years down the track these then scientific facts have been now scientifically been proven wrong and farcical. A good example would be that scientists were of the belief that the speed of light could not be exceeded! This scientific theory was proven to be wrong as recently as 2002 from memory(?). So what have we achieved, and what do we as an honest world population have to be proud of, given that these decisions and sciences have had no real direct input or intelligence offered to it by those who it is supposed to benefit the most?

Perhaps there is a verse in the bible which is true! It goes like this: "The meek will own and rule the World"! (I AM not religious at all, but from my recollections of catholic teachings).

So in summary, we have taken steps forward yes! (One step forward, two steps back, back your rulers and I’ll be back)

[cyrus11]

not worried about the alien factor as much as i worry about the human factor..

the biggest threat on mankind is well, mankind and their ideaology and religions..

aliens are just sitting back watching a great reality show.. betting on who's winning and who's losing in this struggle for global dominance

[Punk17]

yeaaah...your years are a bit off...

...unless you mean "around" those time frames or something...but...yeah...

Yes, I meant around those time periods. I know I am missing a few encounters but I haven't heard about them as of yet. I will though. I was just numbering the most recognised and reported sightings. The most known

[Unforgiven]

Think about this scenario for instance: If we took all these funds that are spent annually to try and destroy our fellow humans and ecological system, we could then use them to educate the un-educated and put in basic and essential self sustaining principles like population controls by way of limiting and educating people to only allow them to have two children maximum

Yep, and when a mother gives birth to triplets - what do you tell her. I'm sorry but you can keep 2, and the third will have to be removed in the interest of science. Now which 2 will you choose?

[I AAAM]

Yep, and when a mother gives birth to triplets - what do you tell her. I'm sorry but you can keep 2, and the third will have to be removed in the interest of science. Now which 2 will you choose?

Good Point! I think that it would not be in the interest of science, but rather in the interest of the world not becoming "over populated" with even more children which parents cannot either take care of or even be able to feed. This scenario you put forward about multiple births would have been by accident, and not by personal choice to have multiple births, so in these cases, of course there would be allowances made to keep all children alive.

[00000000000000000000000000]

If you remember Roswell, Rendelsham Forest and Kecksburg all had occuring events with aliens or presumed aliens. Well lets look at the dates shall we:

1947: WWII

1965: Vietnam War

1980: Persian Gulf War

Now, those took place during wars. Why so? Was it because aliens felt more safer that if army soldiers were away that they'd have a better chance to study us? Or was it a Coencidence(sp)?

Since nobody else has corrected you officially, WW2 began in 1937 and ran until 1945. I'm not sure about Vietnam, and the first Gulf war began January 16, 1991, meaning that tomorrow is the 15th anniversary. January 16th, is also, coincidentally, my birthday.