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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3174599/Have-three-climate-change-scientists-ASSASSINATED-astonishing-claim-Cambridge-professor.html

Three scientists who had worked together in the Arctic studying polar ice caps, all died within a few months of each other(aged 35, 49, 54), supposedly from 'accidents'.

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Three scientists who had worked together in the Arctic studying polar ice caps, all died within a few months of each other(aged 35, 49, 54), supposedly from 'accidents'.

One of the scientists that was supposedly assasinated was killed by lightning. How do you assasinate someone with lightning ?

(unless you are a sith lord or a god :whistle:)

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If someone's assassinating climate scientists, they're doing an awfully bad job of it. The leading figures are all alive and wandering around, as are thousands of other climate scientists.

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One of the scientists that was supposedly assasinated was killed by lightning. How do you assasinate someone with lightning ?

(unless you are a sith lord or a god :whistle:)

I knew someone was going to ask this so it will be good to get it out of the way right at the start. Man goes out on his own apart from his dog; assassin follows him with intent to kill him; does so, possibly with industrial strength taser; because there is a lightning storm, taser damage can be mistaken for a lightning strike or perhaps this doesn't matter because person who does autopsy is in on it/threatened/bribed.

If someone's assassinating climate scientists, they're doing an awfully bad job of it. The leading figures are all alive and wandering around, as are thousands of other climate scientists.

Well, they have to start somewhere! Plus it can be a warning to others ...... don't need to wipe them all out to have an effect. Or perhaps these scientists discovered something special that others hadn't come up with? They were, after all, studying the polar ice caps in situ, not just working on theories on paper in the lab.

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I knew someone was going to ask this so it will be good to get it out of the way right at the start. Man goes out on his own apart from his dog; assassin follows him with intent to kill him; does so, possibly with industrial strength taser; because there is a lightning storm, taser damage can be mistaken for a lightning strike or perhaps this doesn't matter because person who does autopsy is in on it/threatened/bribed.

Lightning strikes are orders of magnitude more powerful than tasers.

This is a artificial lightning generator:

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This is a taser:

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There is a slight size difference isn't there ?

The lightning generator would need a portable powerplant aswell !

So what you are saying is that on a day when he decided to pass that particular way, while walking his dog, the assasins had a lightning generator ready, they had arranged for a thunderstorm and they made sure there were no witnesses in the area ?

Wow those assasins really are good at this. :whistle:

Saying that "they" are threatening or bribing people to silence, without having anything to back that up with, is pretty much the standard conspiracy theorists solution when they have no real evidence.

Sometimes bad things happen to people without the need for some grand conspiracy !

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Stranger things have happened ! But in general, Its all a bit Fishy ! People die every day so Im sticking with non-connected to a conspriacy !

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Stranger things have happened ! But in general, Its all a bit Fishy ! People die every day so Im sticking with non-connected to a conspriacy !

Some rather peculiar 'logic' you're using there! :hmm:

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Lightning strikes are orders of magnitude more powerful than tasers.

This is a artificial lightning generator:

This is a taser:

There is a slight size difference isn't there ?

The lightning generator would need a portable powerplant aswell !

So what you are saying is that on a day when he decided to pass that particular way, while walking his dog, the assasins had a lightning generator ready, they had arranged for a thunderstorm and they made sure there were no witnesses in the area ?

Wow those assasins really are good at this. :whistle:

Saying that "they" are threatening or bribing people to silence, without having anything to back that up with, is pretty much the standard conspiracy theorists solution when they have no real evidence.

Sometimes bad things happen to people without the need for some grand conspiracy !

Er no, that's not what I'm saying. When people are struck by lightning they can suffer varying degrees of damage from frazzled to a crisp, to hardly a mark on them. If he had in fact died from other causes(heart attack brought on by the assassin attack, maybe), this could still be attributed to the lightning. Lightning could well be suggested as the possible cause of death when it may not have been .... it just happened that he was out in a lightning storm. Haven't you seen pictures on YouTube of people who have been tasered? They can have some fearsome marks on them.

If he was killed by an assassin, then presumably said assassin would be trailing him to see what his routine was and therefore when would be the 'best' time to attack. The lightning and the lack of witnesses are co-incidental ..... although it would be a pretty poor hired killer who didn't take into account whether or not there were witnesses around!

Lazily consigning current lack of evidence of bribery/silencing to 'pretty much the standard conspiracy theorists solution when they have no real evidence' is just a cop-out and it's really lame to discount any skulduggery at all because of this. Lazy!

You're right, sometimes bad things happen to people and it isn't a conspiracy BUT ...... doesn't it arouse your interest? Don't you think it's worth looking into when three people(part of a very small group), who worked together on something controversial, who are only 35, 49 and 54 years old, die within months of each other?

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One of the scientists that was supposedly assasinated was killed by lightning.

That's the police's working theory. I've yet to see a copy of the post mortem report which confirms or denies such.

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You're right, sometimes bad things happen to people and it isn't a conspiracy BUT ...... doesn't it arouse your interest? Don't you think it's worth looking into when three people(part of a very small group), who worked together on something controversial, who are only 35, 49 and 54 years old, die within months of each other?

I went to high school with a guy who had a heart attack and died at age 19. Who dies of a heart attack at age 19?!

I don't know how these particular scientists died, but someone aged 49 to 54 is right in prime heart attack country. To say more, I'd have to look at their health conditions and other factors before simply saying "Holy cow! three people are dead! It's a coincidental lightning strike/murder conspiracy!"

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Very Ludlumish. I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

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What I am basically trying to say is this: Why try to construct a conspiracy theory, when there isn't any evidence that a conspiracy took place ?

I simply don't understand why some people seem to have the default position that everything has to be part of a conspiracy. The article didn't offer any kind of evidence of an assasination, so it is purely based on guesswork.

But if you wan't to believe that there is some grand conspiracy at work here you are of course entitled to think that.

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@ Noteverythingisaconspiracy: I note your quote from Sir Wearer of Hats and suggest that the opposite is just as bad: if your mind is closed then things you should really be taking notice of can get past you. So, I will keep my mind open to the possibility of a conspiracy and you can keep your head in the sand.

Oh, and remember, conspiracies come in all shapes and sizes ..... no one suggested this was a grand one. It's puzzling to me that you allow your imagination to fly off in all directions when you are using it to try to make someone look foolish, and yet you won't allow it to peruse an interesting series of events like those stated in the article, with the view to there being something more than first meets the eye.

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I don't see much of a connection between the oil industry and climate change science. How scientists studying ice could threaten a petrol company is beyond me. Perhaps their excursions into the Arctic ruined plans to drill there, that's the only thing I could think of. Coincidences such as this happen frequently, believe it or not, it is only because these scientists have a public profile is this "death-coincidence" noticed. It could be some deeper connection between these scientists that science doesn't know about yet that broke, therefore, in a fourth dimensional sense, endangering them. Like that one movie, "Final Destination".

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I don't see much of a connection between the oil industry and climate change science.

Wait, what? :huh:

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I went to high school with a guy who had a heart attack and died at age 19. Who dies of a heart attack at age 19?!

I don't know how these particular scientists died, but someone aged 49 to 54 is right in prime heart attack country. To say more, I'd have to look at their health conditions and other factors before simply saying "Holy cow! three people are dead! It's a coincidental lightning strike/murder conspiracy!"

Heart attack at 19... usually a heart defect... or drugs... also electrocution causes a heart attack..... I'm retired EMS ... :)

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But what this story doesn't mention is that a colleague of the guy who was assasinated by lightning had been assassinated by an avalanche just a week previous ....... :o

Nature is obviously trying to tell us something!

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They're climate-change scientists. Chances are, they've already assassinated their own credibility on their own.

:P

As for an "industrial-strength taser"....um, huh? What is that, exactly?

Tin-foil hats are offered upon request.

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Heart attack at 19... usually a heart defect... or drugs... also electrocution causes a heart attack..... I'm retired EMS ... :)

In this case, you're right, he had a heart defect. But it could've been an assassination! You can't prove it wasn't, can you? ;)

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What I am basically trying to say is this: Why try to construct a conspiracy theory, when there isn't any evidence that a conspiracy took place ?

Because to discover conspiracy fact, you first need to establish a conspiracy theory and then test it.

Sometimes, they hold up. Sometimes - not so much.

If you're asking why we should connect these particular deaths - it's because they're all UK Climate Scientists specializing in the Arctic, and a fourth UK Climate scientist specializing in the Arctic - Peter Wadhams - reported that a lorry tried to run him off the road within the same sort of time frame as these three deaths.

The number of Arctic Climate Scientists in the UK is small enough that three deaths within a short time frame is interesting, in terms of mortality rate.

To illustrate how anomalous it is - you'll perhaps note that they are the only Arctic Climate Scientists to be mentioned in the "In Memorium" section of the 2013 Arctic Symposium, sponsored by the U.S. National Ice Center and the U.S. Arctic Research Commission.

My gut feel is that it's probably coincidence - but it's interesting enough for me to take a peek at, just in case it isn't.

Tin-foil hats are offered upon request.

Thanks, but I already have a fully functional Tin-foil Fedora.

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So what you are saying is that on a day when he decided to pass that particular way, while walking his dog, the assasins had a lightning generator ready, they had arranged for a thunderstorm and they made sure there were no witnesses in the area ?

Wow those assasins really are good at this. :whistle:

Saying that "they" are threatening or bribing people to silence, without having anything to back that up with, is pretty much the standard conspiracy theorists solution when they have no real evidence.

Sometimes bad things happen to people without the need for some grand conspiracy !

I'm guessing that you're not a detective, or in law enforcement, or a lawyer...

Lots of criminal activity is a conspiracy, but thinking that something looks fishy and suspicious doesn't make one a "conspiracy theorist." That has become a pejorative used by politicians and criminals who don't want their dirty laundry aired. The term actually started during Watergate.

For some reason just ordinary folks take up the chant ... shouting down those who ask questions. Why? Fear, I surmise. Protecting their rosy world where everyone is a good guy... maybe. I think sometimes the "conspiracy theorist" chant rings out like a pep rally. "My side's the best! And my leader says you're a conspiracy theorist!"

Anyway, I don't know whether clandestine criminal activity is involved in these "accidental deaths."

As a retired EMS street medic, I will say that it does not take much electricity to stop a heart. The heart is an electrical organ. If it stops, it can be shocked into restarting with an electric jolt. And the opposite is true. It can be stopped with an electric jolt. A tasar placed right on the heart could easily stop a heart... and wouldn't even leave much of a burn if done over clothing.

One thing is for sure. A lightning bolt will leave a burn. It will have an entrance burn, and it will have one or more exit burns. If the police and EMS say he was hit by lightning, he was probably hit by lightning.

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Anyway, turns out it was the gutter press making it all up .....

http://www.theguardi...ver-times-story

NOT TRUE! :angry:

Did you actually read the entire article? Professor Wadhams is now saying that he no longer believes that the deaths were anything other than accidents, he is not denying what he originally said to the newspaper! The newspaper is sticking by what it printed because of the tapes it has of the interview with Prof. Wadhams.

Prof. Wadham's main concern seems to be not to appear as a crazy person for fear it spoils his standing amongst his fellow scientists. Plus, of course, there's also the possibility that he has been warned off ......... :ph34r: ........................... ;) Always keep your mind open to all the possibilities!

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Very interesting. Its not as profound as all the bankers, and folks with close ties to the same, that have dropped dead from a great number of accidents over the last year. There is no way those cats weren't murdered.

If these 3 guys were credible, and saying things contrary to the "consensus", then I think there is probably a 50-50 chance these guys were taken out. They have a lot riding on global warming.

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I'm guessing that you're not a detective, or in law enforcement, or a lawyer...

Lots of criminal activity is a conspiracy, but thinking that something looks fishy and suspicious doesn't make one a "conspiracy theorist." That has become a pejorative used by politicians and criminals who don't want their dirty laundry aired. The term actually started during Watergate.

For some reason just ordinary folks take up the chant ... shouting down those who ask questions. Why? Fear, I surmise. Protecting their rosy world where everyone is a good guy... maybe. I think sometimes the "conspiracy theorist" chant rings out like a pep rally. "My side's the best! And my leader says you're a conspiracy theorist!"

Anyway, I don't know whether clandestine criminal activity is involved in these "accidental deaths."

As a retired EMS street medic, I will say that it does not take much electricity to stop a heart. The heart is an electrical organ. If it stops, it can be shocked into restarting with an electric jolt. And the opposite is true. It can be stopped with an electric jolt. A tasar placed right on the heart could easily stop a heart... and wouldn't even leave much of a burn if done over clothing.

One thing is for sure. A lightning bolt will leave a burn. It will have an entrance burn, and it will have one or more exit burns. If the police and EMS say he was hit by lightning, he was probably hit by lightning.

Good post.

Ive heard it said that the CIA invented the term "conspiracy theorist" over JFK's assassination though. I not sure though, so you could be right about that.

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