the lazy skeptic Posted September 3, 2007 #1 Share Posted September 3, 2007 we all know about the dragon from the heavenly dragons of china to the devils of europe even the mayans knew about these mystic creatures if they dont or never did exist, how could societies that never met until relatively modern times all have numerous acounts of dragon sightings? with the similaritys in the dragons sighted suggest's that they migrate depending on the seasons (like birds?) what do u think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bball Posted September 3, 2007 #2 Share Posted September 3, 2007 we all know about the dragon from the heavenly dragons of china to the devils of europe even the mayans knew about these mystic creatures if they dont or never did exist, how could societies that never met until relatively modern times all have numerous acounts of dragon sightings? with the similaritys in the dragons sighted suggest's that they migrate depending on the seasons (like birds?) what do u think? I would say it is due to exaggerated stories of what explorers may have seen in places like Africa and India. Mostly probably just large snakes. Maybe fire originated from the fact that snakes stick their tongue out to smell. I would probably be scared of a 30 foot python myself, especially if I had never seen such a creature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim_Slayer Posted September 3, 2007 #3 Share Posted September 3, 2007 we all know about the dragon from the heavenly dragons of china to the devils of europe even the mayans knew about these mystic creatures if they dont or never did exist, how could societies that never met until relatively modern times all have numerous acounts of dragon sightings? with the similaritys in the dragons sighted suggest's that they migrate depending on the seasons (like birds?) what do u think? [/qu All the same stories all around the world, more than a coincidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx Posted September 3, 2007 #4 Share Posted September 3, 2007 its just coincidence they call it "dragon" its just their english name. they have different shape. chinese dragon looks like big serpent, european dragon looks like dinosaur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady_lurker Posted September 3, 2007 #5 Share Posted September 3, 2007 its just coincidence they call it "dragon" its just their english name. they have different shape. chinese dragon looks like big serpent, european dragon looks like dinosaur most dragons do look like the westen ones, their are alot more cultures than just europe and china that incorperate dragons, i can see the europe/asia having some contact and similar ideas on dragons and that could possibly explain dragons if you look at things like that but that doesn't explain stories from north and south america involving dragons and similar creatures, and from of what i've read most dragons were similar in appearance to european dragons, how asians came up with something as different as they did i don't know. what i do know is that for dragons not existing, there is alot of seperate cultures that have really close descriptions of them for a mythical creature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Manfred Posted September 3, 2007 #6 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Hey...isn't there a prize for 111th Dragon Thread on this here site? If so then I think you've won. *applause* *hands you a congratulatory plaque and ham* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolvenblood Posted September 3, 2007 #7 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I know a couple of dragons exist, Anne Robinson, Paris Hilton etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salacia Posted September 3, 2007 #8 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I believe that some of the belief in dragons came from finding fossils of dinosaurs. Lots of the mythical creatures came from people finding bones and coming to conclusions which were not scientific in nature. Since the same type of dinosaurs ranged over a vast area, different cultures could have the same kind of creature in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackalnChainz Posted September 3, 2007 #9 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I believe that a dragon exists, and is simply the manifestation of an intelligence that occupys this realm, with us. And possibly its' subordinates are able to manifest in this fashion as well. I don't believe there is anything lovable or squeezy cute about it, though. I think it is a power, bound to this earth, and it deceives men, and beguiles women, where ever it can find the gullible. ~Jackal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueguardian Posted September 3, 2007 #10 Share Posted September 3, 2007 i dunno about dragons, im not sure if they once existed or not but i would be cool if they did and they could communitcate with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconic chronicler Posted September 3, 2007 #11 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I believe that a dragon exists, and is simply the manifestation of an intelligence that occupys this realm, with us. And possibly its' subordinates are able to manifest in this fashion as well. I don't believe there is anything lovable or squeezy cute about it, though. I think it is a power, bound to this earth, and it deceives men, and beguiles women, where ever it can find the gullible. ~Jackal While we in the west are quick to point out how the Chinese and Native Americans made dragons into Gods, fewer people are aware that the Bible is full of dragon lore as well, and like virtually every other stone and bronze age culture, the Hebrews worshipped the dragon as well. Yahweh originates from the Cannanite water dragon Yaw, also called Yam, and when this is understood, everything in the Bible becomes more clear. This is why Yahweh breathes fire from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils. Why his highest associates are dragons, the seraphim, that in Hebrew means fiery flying serpents. He is the same dragon Enlil that floods the world in the original "Noah" story imitated a millenia later in the Bible. He is a huge physical creature that blocked the Jordan river with his body, and he demanded meat every day, including captured virgins and the first born sons of every Hebrew family. And like every self-respecting dragon, he loves treasure as well, and the Bible explains how for a price, you could buy your child back from the dragon. It is all explained in far greater detail, and how these stories relate to world wide dragon legends in my upcoming book which I am happy to say should be out for Christmas. And no, this is the 113th dragon thread! But then, dragons are the oldest, and best known of all cryptic animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1.618 Posted September 3, 2007 #12 Share Posted September 3, 2007 While we in the west are quick to point out how the Chinese and Native Americans made dragons into Gods, fewer people are aware that the Bible is full of dragon lore as well, and like virtually every other stone and bronze age culture, the Hebrews worshipped the dragon as well. Yahweh originates from the Cannanite water dragon Yaw, also called Yam, and when this is understood, everything in the Bible becomes more clear. This is why Yahweh breathes fire from his mouth and smoke from his nostrils. Why his highest associates are dragons, the seraphim, that in Hebrew means fiery flying serpents. He is the same dragon Enlil that floods the world in the original "Noah" story imitated a millenia later in the Bible. He is a huge physical creature that blocked the Jordan river with his body, and he demanded meat every day, including captured virgins and the first born sons of every Hebrew family. And like every self-respecting dragon, he loves treasure as well, and the Bible explains how for a price, you could buy your child back from the dragon. It is all explained in far greater detail, and how these stories relate to world wide dragon legends in my upcoming book which I am happy to say should be out for Christmas. And no, this is the 113th dragon thread! But then, dragons are the oldest, and best known of all cryptic animals. very interesting. i hope dragons exist. i'd like one for a pet. kinda like the dragons in that eragon film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God_Of_War Posted September 3, 2007 #13 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Yes a Dragon really exists...But you got to collect the seven Dragonballs in order for him to appear...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1.618 Posted September 3, 2007 #14 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Yes a Dragon really exists...But you got to collect the seven Dragonballs in order for him to appear...!!! you mean you can't just buy them from a specialist pet shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God_Of_War Posted September 3, 2007 #15 Share Posted September 3, 2007 you mean you can't just buy them from a specialist pet shop? Your answer reveals that you obviously never seen the "Dragonball" anime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1.618 Posted September 3, 2007 #16 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Your answer reveals that you obviously never seen the "Dragonball" anime... i wasn't being serious. my daughter watches dragonball z, if that's the same thing. they collect balls on that, i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God_Of_War Posted September 3, 2007 #17 Share Posted September 3, 2007 i wasn't being serious. my daughter watches dragonball z, if that's the same thing. they collect balls on that, i think. The anime isn't only for collecting the dragonballs...but also the heroes in it have super powers...blasting energy waves,they can fly with the speed of light e.t.c. But lets not get out of this topic too much...Its not our topic anyway...Respect to the owner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archosaur Posted September 3, 2007 #18 Share Posted September 3, 2007 very interesting. i hope dragons exist. i'd like one for a pet. kinda like the dragons in that eragon film Well, 1.68, while you might be able to raise an infant dragon, you would be raising an intelligent being, not a fantastical animal. Of course, if you found an adult, you might end up as it's pet. As to dragons looking different and having just been named the same: most all dragons have a rather sinuous build to them, the exception being more of today's dinosaur inspired dragons. They have much more in common. As to new explorers just naming other's legends "dragons" there are many legendary creatures of Native Americans that fit the description "dragon" without anyone having officially naming them thus. As to dragons being non-physical deceivers: I do believe that they have a powerful mental presence, but a physical one as well. They can be either deceptive or honorable, but being most wise and cunning-how would you know? While I believe them as capable of good as evil, I will agree that they are not "cuddly" (unless you mean by being wrapped in one's tail coils). P.S. Drac: It's good to see you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftpaw fatfox Posted September 3, 2007 #19 Share Posted September 3, 2007 I would actually want a dragon girlfriend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSide Posted September 4, 2007 #20 Share Posted September 4, 2007 (edited) Not this again. Jeez. No dragons don't exist if anything they were just humans trying to make sense of gigantic bones found all over the world on ever continent, found in the ground commonly know as fossils of commonly known organisms called dragons. Also I am disappointed with Draconic Chronicler as he keeps trying to prove his point while never replying to a rebuttal of mine, thus "Chickening out" in a way. Not even supporting his favourite subject. Tsk. I would actually want a dragon girlfriend Scary Swiftpaw. Joel. PS. I love how several people assume they know the nature, appearance, and lifestyles, etc. of a 'dragon". I find it hard to know exactly how a non-existent organism and/or object could act in the real world. Well I guess if you made it up it would. Edited September 4, 2007 by DarkSide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bball Posted September 4, 2007 #21 Share Posted September 4, 2007 (edited) Not this again. Jeez. No dragons don't exist if anything they were just humans trying to make sense of gigantic bones found all over the world on ever continent, found in the ground commonly know as fossils of commonly known organisms called dragons. Also I am disappointed with Draconic Chronicler as he keeps trying to prove his point while never replying to a rebuttal of mine, thus "Chickening out" in a way. Not even supporting his favourite subject. Tsk. Scary Swiftpaw. Joel. PS. I love how several people assume they know the nature, appearance, and lifestyles, etc. of a 'dragon". I find it hard to know exactly how a non-existent organism and/or object could act in the real world. Well I guess if you made it up it would. Yeah I don't get it either. They most likely all be results of overactive imaginations of the explorers that came back with tales of big reptiles or from coming across dinosaur bones. For me dragons are about as real as the cyclops of Greek folklore. But what is interesting is that more than likely the Greeks actually thought cyclops were real because they probably came across some mastodon skulls. And where it looks like the eyes sockets on these skulls would be, it is one hole. But this hole is actually where the trunk came out. The eye sockets are on the sides. But the Greeks would probably not have known this, so they figured it was a giant creature with one center eye. See, check it out below. I believe much the same thing happens with dragon tales. Edited September 4, 2007 by bball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconic chronicler Posted September 4, 2007 #22 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Yeah I don't get it either. They most likely all be results of overactive imaginations of the explorers that came back with tales of big reptiles or from coming across dinosaur bones. For me dragons are about as real as the cyclops of Greek folklore. But what is interesting is that more than likely the Greeks actually thought cyclops were real because they probably came across some mastodon skulls. And where it looks like the eyes sockets on these skulls would be, it is one hole. But this hole is actually where the trunk came out. The eye sockets are on the sides. But the Greeks would probably not have known this, so they figured it was a giant creature with one center eye. See, check it out below. I believe much the same thing happens with dragon tales. I would agree with everything you said about the cyclops, based on the Mastadon, but this does nothing to discredit the firm belief in dragons by ancient and medieval people in every part of the world. If you knew more about this subject ancient greek writers ACKNOWLEDGED all of the cyclops were long since dead, just as we do the dinosaurs. But when it came to dragons, their greatest naturalists, like Herodatus and Pliny ALL acknowledged living dragons including flying ones that were commonly seen. Dragons were mankinds earliest Gods, that allegedly taught them things like animal husbandry and agriculture in different cultures seperated by vast oceans. How would such universal ideas be accepted all over the world if simply based on fossil bones, nor would the ancient people even understand the bones came from a reptile. Much dragon lore comes from places where there are virtually no reptiles, and certainly no large ones such as Norther europe where there are only tiny lizards and snakes. Real scientists like Carl Sagan are perplexed by the universal belief in dragons, as we find in his writings. And the large cryptic animals still regularly reported today are either completely fake, (which is unlikely becasue of the many sightings) or are creatures too clever to be captured or seen at close distance, becasue they are "dragons" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconic chronicler Posted September 4, 2007 #23 Share Posted September 4, 2007 (edited) Not this again. Jeez. No dragons don't exist if anything they were just humans trying to make sense of gigantic bones found all over the world on ever continent, found in the ground commonly know as fossils of commonly known organisms called dragons. Also I am disappointed with Draconic Chronicler as he keeps trying to prove his point while never replying to a rebuttal of mine, thus "Chickening out" in a way. Not even supporting his favourite subject. Tsk. Scary Swiftpaw. Joel. PS. I love how several people assume they know the nature, appearance, and lifestyles, etc. of a 'dragon". I find it hard to know exactly how a non-existent organism and/or object could act in the real world. Well I guess if you made it up it would. Nothing to do with "Chickening out". You have demonstrated you know too little about any of this to waste my time discussing it with you. You really need to have a basic understanding of the worldwide belief in these same creatures all over the world for thousands of years, and this clearly seems to be above your level of knowledge. Wait for the book. Edited September 4, 2007 by draconic chronicler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx Posted September 4, 2007 #24 Share Posted September 4, 2007 so... ancestor from all around the world are drunk when they drawing dragons in their temple ? and its just gigantic coincidence they all have the same illusion the drawing look almost the same ? alien... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady_lurker Posted September 4, 2007 #25 Share Posted September 4, 2007 so... ancestor from all around the world are drunk when they drawing dragons in their temple ? and its just gigantic coincidence they all have the same illusion the drawing look almost the same ? alien... thats kinda what i think, explains their disapearance, and maybe why some of the people worshipping them liked building pyramids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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